Dropped my VF today on a concrete floor. Doh. Dented the bottom edge. Need to see if it's screwed up the battery compartment opening. Well, at least I'll always know which is mine...
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You continue to miss my point. How can someone say they are meant to be like that when fewer of the units have them like that then not. So use the word liar or what not but in the end their qc sucks either way to have so many one way and not the other. So if your buttons are normal you would never look or say anything about it. Now you notice your buttons are off you go looking to see if it is normal. So truth or them not wanting to get a bunch of units back to replace a button and lose money?? Would not shock me to hear that the screens are meant to be crooked also.
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Ouch! Sounds like you are taking it better then I would have.
When your profit margin is in the range of this device you expect some quality control. I'm glad I skipped on this one.
Could have been worse. My Billow tank could have shattered, spraying expensive juice all over Home Depot.
I'm still on the fence, mostly because of Evolvs' current situation. But I own a machine shop, so any issues with the Flask itself really doesn't concern me: I can fix it!
I will say this, the cost to produce a Flask (at what I'm guessing to be a relatively low production volume) is quite high. The only comparable American made Mod I can think of is the ZNA. (that's considering tooling, material, machine time, and labor) Machining a Flask out of a solid piece of aluminum is way more expensive than producing any other mod design currently on the market, except maybe the ZNA. (of course Zens' quality standards also effect the cost, and we all know how expensive they are) If they tighten the QC on these things then they would totally be worth the money. Hopefully it's just growing pains and unanticipated production volumes that are effecting their QC, and they'll get it straightened out soon. However, some of the issues that I've seen here would never have made it out of my building, no matter what the cost!
Having said all that, I'm still going to buy one
I will say this, the cost to produce a Flask (at what I'm guessing to be a relatively low production volume) is quite high. The only comparable American made Mod I can think of is the ZNA. (that's considering tooling, material, machine time, and labor) Machining a Flask out of a solid piece of aluminum is way more expensive than producing any other mod design currently on the market, except maybe the ZNA. (of course Zens' quality standards also effect the cost, and we all know how expensive they are) If they tighten the QC on these things then they would totally be worth the money. Hopefully it's just growing pains and unanticipated production volumes that are effecting their QC, and they'll get it straightened out soon. However, some of the issues that I've seen here would never have made it out of my building, no matter what the cost!
Having said all that, I'm still going to buy one
BTW, All three colors are in stock at Vapin Art right now....but I'm still on the fence 
http://www.vapinart.com/cart/Variab...2.aspx?s=OrderBy ASC, Name ASC&c=22&ps=12&p=1
http://www.vapinart.com/cart/Variab...2.aspx?s=OrderBy ASC, Name ASC&c=22&ps=12&p=1
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I too work in a machine shop, specifically i mill steel on CNC on a daily basis. An engraving tool alone, one that doesnt suck, can run any where from 200-500 dollars not including indexable carbide inserts and reliable tool holder. Running on machine that costs roughly $150,000. So the costs are very real.
Plus, machining from a single block is much more challenging and involved than say a 3 or 4 piece design.
Anyone who says something is just a huge profit margin or is ripping people off or whatever, needs to ask themselves: "could i do this myself"? If the answer is NO, then chances are it is usually priced according to over head costs, plus some profit.
Plus, machining from a single block is much more challenging and involved than say a 3 or 4 piece design.
Anyone who says something is just a huge profit margin or is ripping people off or whatever, needs to ask themselves: "could i do this myself"? If the answer is NO, then chances are it is usually priced according to over head costs, plus some profit.
Also not to mention the massive amount of skill, training and knowledge it takes to take a concept, engineer it and translate it into a working CAD/CAM file, program the machine, set the machine up, set up tooling, and then know how physically operate the machine itself.
Theres also the costs of prototyping and beta testing before final production can ensue. Then theres post-milling IE deburring, finishing, assembly, packaging, and distribution.
Life aint free peeps! Each item adds cost to a final product.
PS...in our shop our engineering software suite MasterCam cost us $40,000 to install and use it one 3 computer stations. Yikes!
Theres also the costs of prototyping and beta testing before final production can ensue. Then theres post-milling IE deburring, finishing, assembly, packaging, and distribution.
Life aint free peeps! Each item adds cost to a final product.
PS...in our shop our engineering software suite MasterCam cost us $40,000 to install and use it one 3 computer stations. Yikes!
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Update on my Vapor Flask. I definitely jacked up the battery compartment opening. I can't turn the cover without ridiculous amounts of force and I can only turn it a little bit. I've contacted Vapor Flask to see if they can fix it. I think the opening will need to be rethreaded.
Safety tip, don't drop your flask on a hard surface. The tolerances on the device are tiny, which is great from a fit and finish standpoint but not so much for being a forgiving device to bumps and bruises.
Safety tip, don't drop your flask on a hard surface. The tolerances on the device are tiny, which is great from a fit and finish standpoint but not so much for being a forgiving device to bumps and bruises.
That doesn't even include distribution and sales packaging costs... I agree... If you were to make one yourself, even borrowed the equipment , the price would be high
Here's a new one.
My VF has been with Evolv since the 10th. One of the first to arrive there for the freezing board swap.
However there seems to be a glitch, the plastic cradle that holds the board and screen in place was cracked and unusable.
Over 2 weeks, and they are expecting the part "any day now" from VF to finish the repair.
My VF has been with Evolv since the 10th. One of the first to arrive there for the freezing board swap.
However there seems to be a glitch, the plastic cradle that holds the board and screen in place was cracked and unusable.
Over 2 weeks, and they are expecting the part "any day now" from VF to finish the repair.
Does anyone have the best email or contact information for Vapor Flask to discuss repairs with them?
Thanks
Thanks
or info@vaporflask.com
That said, I sent an e-mail to info@vaporflask.com when I first experienced issues with my fire button and have yet to receive a response.
That is awesome diamond. I sent my dna 30 v1 in for repairs a couple of weeks ago and i would be happy to get a v2 in its place. A dna 40 would be considered icing on the cake. Actually i'll just be happy to get my v1 back working like new again.
Well, I just pulled the trigger on a Flask tonight. Vapinart had silver ones left, so I decided to snag one! I realize that I am rolling the dice on whether the board will be good or not, but it's a chance I am willing to take! I have a Vaporshark rDNA 30, but this will be my first DNA 40 mod....very excited! I trust that VF will take are of me if there are any issues with the mod, but hopefully all will be well! 
I will be sure to report back when I get the mod and give my impressions....
I will be sure to report back when I get the mod and give my impressions....
Well, I just pulled the trigger on a Flask tonight. Vapinart had silver ones left, so I decided to snag one! I realize that I am rolling the dice on whether the board will be good or not, but it's a chance I am willing to take! I have a Vaporshark rDNA 30, but this will be my first DNA 40 mod....very excited! I trust that VF will take are of me if there are any issues with the mod, but hopefully all will be well!
I will be sure to report back when I get the mod and give my impressions....
Now buy two matching batteries he2 or vtc5 are good choices... The Samsung aren't bad and all fit the flask
Samsung 25R's do not fit from my experience. I have a total of 6 of them and none fit my flask.
That's what I heard too.....I just bought 2 LG HE2's that I will use in the Flask....From what I hear, those fit just fine....
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