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Variable Voltage and Patent
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and she's styling with her pearls. Rosco's ears are perked I think. Dang males....
No it's not. If I find a product someone is selling that's not patented I can file but it gets complicated. Then the lawyers get in it and prove this and that. It used to be done allot in the old days but now people are smart enough to cover themselves. You can also register it with the patent office to prove you thought of it first while you wait. I'm no patent lawyer though and haven't had any dealings with them for yrs. though and things change so don't take my word for it. It might be different now.
Retird, if VV is dated tech like the buggy-whip, then why the angst over the filing. If everybody has moved past this then Buzz just paid an attorney for a worthless piece of paper on a antiquated device.
You have a 1 yr from disclosure to apply for a patent in the USA , we did a Provisional Patent application a long time ago this sets our date in stone .
No another company could not just come in and patent it at this time .
I know thats my point, it was started in general forum and u posted business so it was moved here, he wasn't trolling your supplier forum. Thats different!
Good point !! but VV is the simplest way to do this IMO . Cost is a big factor in this equation to me.
I just filed for a patent of the internal combustion engine... with VV.... That Trumps any other patent!!
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You mean Variable Valve timing ? sorry there are several patents on that already BUT there are NO patents on Variable Voltage for an Ecig yet.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...timing+&FIELD1=&co1=AND&TERM2=&FIELD2=&d=PTXT
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I think you should talk to some EE's. The answer is - it depends. Buzz said it fine below, but - There is a direct relationship between power and voltage. P=EI. If you simply vary the resistance in a circuit you vary the voltage AND the power.
Your question doesn't prove the point you are trying to make which is, I assume, "is it possible for a device which calls itself "variable power" to be patenable beyond the scope of "variable voltage" and the (very simplistic)answer is: it could be possible depending on how it is accomplished and if it adds utility.
Patents are a tough deal anymore, ask TIVO and Paul Allen. But hey, I don't really give a crap. Just came to see what all the fuss was about. Later all.
I just applied for a patent on variables. Anything that varies I now own. This patent should make mine better than yours. I also own the patent for a new dog species.
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As a former CEO of several very high tech companies and now semi-retired as as consultant and grad school professor, I have had more than my fair share of dealings with patents, and if Mike has a valid patent because he can prove it, then more power to him. Personally, I do not think he has a snowball's chance in hell because he will fail due to defensibility, the cost of defense, and prior art; however, I am not a patent attorney. A lot will depend on the vigor with which Mike and the "others" will pursue this. It does, in the end, become a question of money. It starts out with one very simple question: how much is this patent really worth? This is a very small, niche market. If it costs $100,000 in legal and investigative fees to collect $1,000 in royalties.............you get the point. Trust me, in patent disputes a $100,000 is nothing!!
I have seen companies go bust trying to defend patents.
There is one point that is far more disturbing!!!
Where do some of you get your sense of entitlement to the fruits of someone else's hard work and intellect? The complaints that I have seen on this are a joke. Nobody told you to smoke in the first place. Over the years, you literally burned many $ thousands. If you use vaping as a cessation device, then there are much cheaper alternatives to VV. A VV device is a luxury, not a necessity of life.
No mater how you cut it, both vaping and smoking are habits and indulgences. You need neither to put a roof over your head or feed your family. Assuming Mike did have a valid claim, your whining is only saying "Mike, support my vices"
I have seen companies go bust trying to defend patents.
There is one point that is far more disturbing!!!
Where do some of you get your sense of entitlement to the fruits of someone else's hard work and intellect? The complaints that I have seen on this are a joke. Nobody told you to smoke in the first place. Over the years, you literally burned many $ thousands. If you use vaping as a cessation device, then there are much cheaper alternatives to VV. A VV device is a luxury, not a necessity of life.
No mater how you cut it, both vaping and smoking are habits and indulgences. You need neither to put a roof over your head or feed your family. Assuming Mike did have a valid claim, your whining is only saying "Mike, support my vices"
Tony,
I think you made my point(s). There are two problems with this whole thing: 1 - Buzzkill did not "invent" VV, he took an idea that was already in the public domain and marketed it. That is not invention. Evolv, on the other hand, seem to have been the first people to "invent" the idea of constant power, which is why I believe their patent to that effect would be more defensible (however we will see, I haven't looked at their patent yet, only time will tell on that one)
2 - Your point about costs of enforcing patents and the returns is right on. I would also add the question, in a small niche market like this, what is the point? Buzzkill is obviously not doing it for the money, because, as you said, he's not going to get much money (if anything at all) from these small manufacturers. So why do it? There is only one reason to send threatening letters to small manufacturers, that is to satisfy some sense of entitlement, or just to bully, or something. Either way, it amounts to him being an ...... just because he can.
That's why I object to it. I don't understand why some of the people posting on this thread can't see that. Why would they defend someone who is obviously just being a jerk just because he can? How does that help the industry, not to mention being bad form and violating all the principles of community and helpfulness that the ECF have been built on??
And your point about "Mike, support my vices" : Excuse me, but isn't that what the whole ECF is about in the first place? How about saying "Mike, you built your business with the support of the ECF, but now you want to screw it over?"
I think you've forgotten that this guy wouldn't have a business without the ECF, and now that he's gotten what he wants out of it, he wants to deny that right to everyone else, including future vapers.
How can you think that's cool?
I think you made my point(s). There are two problems with this whole thing: 1 - Buzzkill did not "invent" VV, he took an idea that was already in the public domain and marketed it. That is not invention. Evolv, on the other hand, seem to have been the first people to "invent" the idea of constant power, which is why I believe their patent to that effect would be more defensible (however we will see, I haven't looked at their patent yet, only time will tell on that one)
2 - Your point about costs of enforcing patents and the returns is right on. I would also add the question, in a small niche market like this, what is the point? Buzzkill is obviously not doing it for the money, because, as you said, he's not going to get much money (if anything at all) from these small manufacturers. So why do it? There is only one reason to send threatening letters to small manufacturers, that is to satisfy some sense of entitlement, or just to bully, or something. Either way, it amounts to him being an ...... just because he can.
That's why I object to it. I don't understand why some of the people posting on this thread can't see that. Why would they defend someone who is obviously just being a jerk just because he can? How does that help the industry, not to mention being bad form and violating all the principles of community and helpfulness that the ECF have been built on??
And your point about "Mike, support my vices" : Excuse me, but isn't that what the whole ECF is about in the first place? How about saying "Mike, you built your business with the support of the ECF, but now you want to screw it over?"
I think you've forgotten that this guy wouldn't have a business without the ECF, and now that he's gotten what he wants out of it, he wants to deny that right to everyone else, including future vapers.
How can you think that's cool?
I mean, really, let's look at this guy's behaviour:
1 - Gets the idea of VV from the ECF.
2 - Builds a product with VV in it, announces and markets it on the ECF.
3 - Watches other manufacturers build and announce other VV products on the ECF.
4 - Uses the ECF as documentation to file a patent to squash other manufacturers building VV devices.
5 - Gets his list of attack targets by making inquiries on the ECF.
6 - Defends his creepy actions with a LOOONG ECF thread.
So he has used the ECF, a community which was formed for the free exchange of ideas, and on the principle of helping others NOT FOR PROFIT, to profit from from day one (I don't have a problem with that, I am just pointing this out), and then wants to use the same community to deny that right to others.
Thus it is okay for him to exploit this resource as much as he wants, without honoring its spirit in any way, but he's going to go out of his way to prevent anyone from doing the same thing.
Mike, dude, you can't have it both ways. If you want to behave like some 3 year old in a sandbox and say "This part is MINE! Noone can touch it!", fly at it, but don't use a resource dedicated to people sharing ideas for free to do it. You can't have it both ways.
I think they have a name for people like that. Its "Hypo" something.
Oh, yeah, "-crite"
1 - Gets the idea of VV from the ECF.
2 - Builds a product with VV in it, announces and markets it on the ECF.
3 - Watches other manufacturers build and announce other VV products on the ECF.
4 - Uses the ECF as documentation to file a patent to squash other manufacturers building VV devices.
5 - Gets his list of attack targets by making inquiries on the ECF.
6 - Defends his creepy actions with a LOOONG ECF thread.
So he has used the ECF, a community which was formed for the free exchange of ideas, and on the principle of helping others NOT FOR PROFIT, to profit from from day one (I don't have a problem with that, I am just pointing this out), and then wants to use the same community to deny that right to others.
Thus it is okay for him to exploit this resource as much as he wants, without honoring its spirit in any way, but he's going to go out of his way to prevent anyone from doing the same thing.
Mike, dude, you can't have it both ways. If you want to behave like some 3 year old in a sandbox and say "This part is MINE! Noone can touch it!", fly at it, but don't use a resource dedicated to people sharing ideas for free to do it. You can't have it both ways.
I think they have a name for people like that. Its "Hypo" something.
Oh, yeah, "-crite"
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