Variable Voltage and Patent
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I do see what you're saying there, but there is a claim about the pot as an interface (paraphrased) And no claim that the pot changes the voltage, rather the pot is in the feedback loop... In the case of the Darwin, the feedback loop has other devices in it, including the pot... Only the display is in wattage, since the display is then technically a GUI, this is a VV device by it's very nature, with GUI that reports varying output conditions.
Darwin can continue to produce the PV, applying for a patent on their GUI, while paying a royalty on the VV aspects...
Gmoney,
I agree with pretty much everything you said, in your earlier post.
As a side topic, I recall that earlier, or in another post, someone said that the Darwin guys had applied for a patent. Is this true. That strikes me as a patent that has a chance of getting through (depending on how its written of course).
I agree with pretty much everything you said, in your earlier post.
As a side topic, I recall that earlier, or in another post, someone said that the Darwin guys had applied for a patent. Is this true. That strikes me as a patent that has a chance of getting through (depending on how its written of course).
Warf,
You`re absolutely right. It works like this: If you`re the first to publicly disclose, then the clock starts ticking. You have a year to file. That`s why the patent office has something called a provisional filing, its really not a real patent filing, its more sort of an official public disclosure. Noone can patent the idea but you (if you are the first to disclose) and you only have a year to do it.
If, after a year you don`t file, then the idea becomes public domain and noone can patent it.
That`s why being first is everything. If you`re not first, forget it. That`s why its important to be able to back your first public disclosure up with documentation.
You`re absolutely right. It works like this: If you`re the first to publicly disclose, then the clock starts ticking. You have a year to file. That`s why the patent office has something called a provisional filing, its really not a real patent filing, its more sort of an official public disclosure. Noone can patent the idea but you (if you are the first to disclose) and you only have a year to do it.
If, after a year you don`t file, then the idea becomes public domain and noone can patent it.
That`s why being first is everything. If you`re not first, forget it. That`s why its important to be able to back your first public disclosure up with documentation.
can ECF also be used to prove that the idea existed way before the patent application?
Something like this would work. Adjust the pot for the temp that you want the atomizer to work at and it will adjust the power automatically to maintain the temp.
Ive built a couple of these to automatlically control the temps in my computer. Hook the atomizer on the fan connection and use a PTC temp sensor. All parts are very small and would fit in the battery box mods.
I do recall reading that earlier also - but I do not know anything else about it.
"ideas" don't really matter - "inventions" do. It is just a bit more complicated then you are making it out to be. Sorry.
My main objective is anyone trying to claim ownership of something after the fact, after its been disclosed, bantied about, refined, revised, and is basically public domain information. Its creepy and greedy, in my opinion. If you are serious about protecting your ideas (and that`s fine, I have NO problem with that), then bite the bullet and do all your homework before your release the idea to the world. That`s what we are doing, and when we release our device no one will be able to claim that they came up with the idea first, it is so novel that I`m 100% convinced that there is nothing out there like it yet.
It sucks, because I want to tell the world about it, but I can`t! I have to wait until I get the patent finished and filed, and everything is squared away. Because I`m not going to claim ownership of someone else`s idea, and that`s that.
It sucks, because I want to tell the world about it, but I can`t! I have to wait until I get the patent finished and filed, and everything is squared away. Because I`m not going to claim ownership of someone else`s idea, and that`s that.
Gmoney, I disagree. I think MisterD is right on. I dont know about his example, but all you would need is for someone to post `Hey, why doesn`t someone put a variable voltage regulator in a PV` and that would be enough to kill his claim 1. You don`t have to describe how its done or anything, a particular embodiment is not important, only the idea of the device.
GMoney, you are right, its not the idea that`s important, its the `invention` or the device. You can patent devices or techniques, not ideas. However the particular embodiment of the device doesn`t really matter, either.
patent definition - an exclusive right to the benefits of an invention or improvement granted by the United States Patent Office, for a specific period of time, on the basis that it is novel (not previously known or described in a publication), "non-obvious" (a form which anyone in the field of expertise could identify), and useful.
Ok, now THAT is interesting... However... Context is everything... And that is a schematic for a variable temperature device where the pot is used to set the temperature and the voltage is then varied by the thermister... It was later in the evolution of these ideas that variable voltage became the logical choice.
Now, you could say how is that different than the Darwin, which is called variable wattage, but it's really a vv device... And that would be a good question... The answer is because voltage is a factor in the wattage equation, they are inextricably intertwined.
The device you posted the schematic of is in fact, not a vv device by it's nature, it's a thermostatic temperature control.
did you bother reading that whole thread? i thought it was funny the post that came right after the one i posted!
did you bother reading that whole thread? i thought it was funny the post that came right after the one i posted!
No... Should I read it? It seemed to be about variable temperature, which is not in question or directly covered by mikes patent.
MisterD, you described the 3 elements of a patentable device perfectly.
1 - Must be novel
2 - Must be non-obvious
3 - Must be useful
I`ve never understood why the patent office has a special section for Perpetual Motion Machines, since part of number 3 is that you must be able to build it (for instance, I can`t patent Warp Drive, ala Star Trek, because I have no way of building it), and it seems to me that it automatically disqualifies any perpetual motion machines, but there you have it.
1 - Must be novel
2 - Must be non-obvious
3 - Must be useful
I`ve never understood why the patent office has a special section for Perpetual Motion Machines, since part of number 3 is that you must be able to build it (for instance, I can`t patent Warp Drive, ala Star Trek, because I have no way of building it), and it seems to me that it automatically disqualifies any perpetual motion machines, but there you have it.
sweet dreams! i should stop vaping this 36mg on my bottom feeding VV and get some sleep too!
thanks MoC!!! come back to tell us about that invention of yours!!! 
it'll be safe with us!
it'll be safe with us!
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