Variable Voltage and Patent

[MasterofChaos]

Granted, he may have marketed the first VV unit, but that is irrelevant. For a patent to be valid, he has to have been the first person EVER to publicly disclose the idea. Thats why The Wheel is not patentable; sure, someone may have been the first to sell it, but that doesnt matter.

You cant take someone elses idea, that they have publically disclosed and patent it and claim it as your own.

Patents just dont work that way.

And I DO have a few patents of my own and Ive written them all myself, so I have a pretty good idea of how they work, and just how long they take to be awarded. As an example, my first patent was applied for in 1999, and took until 2005 to be awarded.

Its U.S. Patent Number 6,940,893.

 

[MasterofChaos]

There is only one reason to send people letters, not as a friendly gesture to share information, but to threaten them. And he hasn't even been awarded the patent, he just applied for it in January.

Let's face it, ANYONE can apply for a patent in ANYTHING.

And I just hate it when people are bullied. I hate bullies.

And you can't tell me that the creepy way he got the names of other VV device manufacturers didn't smack of deception. Using the ECF for that is unforgivable in my opinion. If he wants to threaten people, fine, but don't use a community that is basically built on good will and offering free advice to others to facilitate it.

That's like mafia guys asking a church congregation for a list of local businesses so they can go muscle them for protection money!

 

[Wharf Rat]

Cool stuff MC and if 2wire is using it, thank you.


This invention modulates data onto a radio channel in such
a way that the deleterious effects of the channel are reduced

Would I be wrong to say that you took my old wifi that was screwing with my wireless home phone and and made it better. Cause I have had wifi for over 10 years and over that time it has gotten better.

Has any ever patented a RF upconverter?

 

[Digs]

I don't understand the patent system at all. I said before that if that's the way the law works then that's fine, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. The reason I don't like it is simple. PV's have been out for a long time and are already patented. Variable voltage has been used for a long time in other applications and was being used with PV's as early as mid-2009. Putting the two together was only natural and I have serious doubts that this guy was the first to do it. He may have been the first to market but that doesn't mean anything to me. In my opinion, you shouldn't even able to patent this technology at this point in its life. But like I said, if that's the way it works then I guess I'll have to be okay with it. It just doesn't seem fair to others. I mean, anyone with a little electrical know how could have patented this including myself. It's not rocket science, it's actually quite simple and the parts are pretty easy to get. The patent application was filed Jan 2011 and some people were using VV PV's over a year before that.

 

[Wharf Rat]

See above patent Digs.

 

[Katdarling]

Please dont stop evolution!

Well said. Evolv.

 

[Katdarling]

Can't make it so?

 

[misterD]

dang you guys!
THE FIRST VV MARKETED WAS
NUCK'S FISTPACK!!!!
not The Buzz!

 

[Bovinia]

There is only one reason to send people letters, not as a friendly gesture to share information, but to threaten them. And he hasn't even been awarded the patent, he just applied for it in January.

Let's face it, ANYONE can apply for a patent in ANYTHING.

And I just hate it when people are bullied. I hate bullies.

And you can't tell me that the creepy way he got the names of other VV device manufacturers didn't smack of deception. Using the ECF for that is unforgivable in my opinion. If he wants to threaten people, fine, but don't use a community that is basically built on good will and offering free advice to others to facilitate it.

That's like mafia guys asking a church congregation for a list of local businesses so they can go muscle them for protection money!

He used his own paid for sub forum to ask about other VV. Those of us who have been here in the Notcigs sub forum have known about this patent for long time. There was no deception involved

I'm happy for you that you were able to negotiate the legalities of your own patent. Tell us, have you ever had to take action against anyone to protect your legal patent rights? How would you go about it if the problem were presented to you?

 

[5cardstud]

You can take 3, 4 ....or how ever many patented products, put them together to perform a different function and patent that item. Many of you people need to do a little research into patent law.
Many yrs. ago there were guys that came up with carburetor designs for the gasoline engine that made it use allot less gas. Well they sold their designs to the gas companies, Chevron, Mobile etc. and them designs were never produced. Why because we would of bought less gas. By notcig obtaining this patent it stops tobacco companies from doing the same. The guy protects us all and your ready to lynch him. I hope we have smarter people than that here.

 

[5cardstud]

dang you guys!
THE FIRST VV MARKETED WAS
NUCK'S FISTPACK!!!!
not The Buzz!

Wrong again. that has a set of switches in it. the notcig pv can hit any setting 3.6 3.7 3.8 3.9 etc. that device only fires on pre sellected voltages though switching.

 

[MasterofChaos]

Trust me, I have written 6 patents from scratch now, and *I* don't really understand the patent process that well.

I find it very confusing, particularly the way people word the claims. For instance, Busskill's patent wording about the device having a "proximal end and a distal end" I would never put something like that in one of my patents, I think its designed to confuse what the real meaning of the claim is. It really doesn't have anything to do with what the patent is about, which is applying VV to a PV.

The key to any patent is the claims, though, and the killer is the first claim, so if you look at Buzzkill's patent and read the first claim, you get what he is trying to lock down. And you can't tell me that noone had publicly disclosed anything like that prior to Jan, 2010.

Warf, yes, the radio was originally designed to be used indoors, but these days it has more applications for outdoor stuff. Not cellphones, though, more low power telemetry type devices.

 

[Wharf Rat]

iRiver (i think the first mp3) was out before the iPod. And Apple has many patents on the iPod.

 

[5cardstud]

Trust me, I have written 6 patents from scratch now, and *I* don't really understand the patent process that well.

I find it very confusing, particularly the way people word the claims. For instance, Busskill's patent wording about the device having a "proximal end and a distal end" I would never put something like that in one of my patents, I think its designed to confuse what the real meaning of the claim is. It really doesn't have anything to do with what the patent is about, which is applying VV to a PV.

The key to any patent is the claims, though, and the killer is the first claim, so if you look at Buzzkill's patent and read the first claim, you get what he is trying to lock down. And you can't tell me that noone had publicly disclosed anything like that prior to Jan, 2010.

Warf, yes, the radio was originally designed to be used indoors, but these days it has more applications for outdoor stuff. Not cellphones, though, more low power telemetry type devices.

That was written by his patent lawyer. You would probably have to speak to a patent lawyer to have that explained so you fully understood it.

 

[Wharf Rat]

"proximal end and a distal end" I would never put something like that in one of my patents, I think its designed to confuse what the real meaning of the claim is. It really doesn't have anything to do with what the patent is about, which is applying VV to a PV.

MC, did you see RJR's patent app eirlier in this post (or the other) discuss proximal end and a distal ends?

As a Mac user I've tried to read some of Apple's PA and can only get a quarter of the way and I'm done


Again did I miss something, did you and your partner take wifi or such and make it better?

 

[MasterofChaos]

5card, you may be right, however if you read the first claim it reads "voltage adjustment means for variably adjusting an output voltage" it says nothing about what voltages, or how.

The fact that the Fistpack came out first invalidates the claim, in my opinion. Doesn't matter if its varying linearly over a range or not. He may have to revise his first claim significantly before there's any chance of it being approved.

Bovinia, I don't own the rights to any of my patents (so far), so I really can't say about enforcement. Although I would never want to even appear to be a troll, especially to small businesses like those that market VV PVs. That's why its bullying, since a small business will give in or go under rather than pay legal fees, since they can afford them a lot less than the big boys can.

The Big Boys will fight in court, because they can. Its really the same thing as the record companies suing welfare moms for 5 million bucks. They know they will settle for $3000 a peice, since they are afraid to go to court. The record companies figure if they get enough $3000 settlements, its worth their while.

You can sit there and tell me that's right.


Plus, its Buzzkill's LEGAL OBLIGATION to disclose all knowledge of similar and relevant devices, so if he knows about the Fistpack, and doesn't tell the examiners, he will be in big doo-doo.

 

[misterD]

Wrong again. that has a set of switches in it. the notcig pv can hit any setting 3.6 3.7 3.8 3.9 etc. that device only fires on pre sellected voltages though switching.

Nuck decided to go that route becos of the chances of the pot failing. its still a VV with fixed sets. and here I post again.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/20672-3-7v-vs-5v.html#post332679

 

[MasterofChaos]

Warf,

I know, the way they write those claims makes my head hurt, too. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but if you read my patent you will see that I always try to describe something (even if its complex) in as clear a language as I can.

 

[MasterofChaos]

Warf,

Actually the patent has nothing to do with Wi-Fi, its a radio which uses the same signals that Bats use for echolocation.

 

[GMoney]

5card, you may be right, however if you read the first claim it reads "voltage adjustment means for variably adjusting an output voltage" it says nothing about what voltages, or how.

The fact that the Fistpack came out first invalidates the claim, in my opinion. Doesn't matter if its varying linearly over a range or not. He may have to revise his first claim significantly before there's any chance of it being approved.

Bovinia, I don't own the rights to any of my patents (so far), so I really can't say about enforcement. Although I would never want to even appear to be a troll, especially to small businesses like those that market VV PVs. That's why its bullying, since a small business will give in or go under rather than pay legal fees, since they can afford them a lot less than the big boys can.

The Big Boys will fight in court, because they can. Its really the same thing as the record companies suing welfare moms for 5 million bucks. They know they will settle for $3000 a peice, since they are afraid to go to court. The record companies figure if they get enough $3000 settlements, its worth their while.

You can sit there and tell me that's right.


Plus, its Buzzkill's LEGAL OBLIGATION to disclose all knowledge of similar and relevant devices, so if he knows about the Fistpack, and doesn't tell the examiners, he will be in big doo-doo.

Generally, you want your claims as "broad" as you can get away with and still be granted, and not invalidated later. Typically, you start with your most broad claim as the first in a group of claims and then the proceeding claims will become more "narrow" to cover more specific circumstances.