Variable Voltage and Patent
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The whole patent thing really doesn't matter anyway, the patent is so poorly written. I see two easy ways to argue against it and defeat it:
1 - Nuck publicly disclosed a VV device (with a switch, but that doesn't matter) long before the Buzz.
2 - There are plenty of examples of PVs with voltage regulators in them before the Buzz came out. They were fixed, but I bet any patent examiner would argue that exchanging a fixed voltage regulator for a variable one is a trivial change for anyone skilled in the art.
1 - Nuck publicly disclosed a VV device (with a switch, but that doesn't matter) long before the Buzz.
2 - There are plenty of examples of PVs with voltage regulators in them before the Buzz came out. They were fixed, but I bet any patent examiner would argue that exchanging a fixed voltage regulator for a variable one is a trivial change for anyone skilled in the art.
The devil is in the details... and in your inventors notebooks...
The folks searcing the annex of this forum in the modders section need to realize that the date of origination of the invention is key, and proof is required. Most engineers use an inventors notebook when designing products they intend to patent.
Inventor's notebook - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is an important document, and this, or something extremely similar is required to help prove when and how the idea was fleshed out.
Mike is VERY well versed in what it takes to get a patent issued, he has many of them... he also knows that it's pretty hard to get one issued if the facts are off, from everything to problems with dates of origination to prior art... it all gets looked at, and checked, and double checked.
Other important facts that seem to be pissing people off...
A patent has NO value if you do not defend it... zilch... nada... and if it is NOT defended then it becomes useless. The letters to manufacturers of VV PVs are not him being a bully... THEY ARE REQUIRED... he MUST notify them of his intent to enforce his rights under the patent when it issues.
Somebody objected to his asking forum members to list the VV manufacturers... Yeah... that really got under peoples skin... well... he HAS to get a complete list of all the players on the field, so the notification process is thorough and complete.
This is a process... rest assured, just because you may find an example that you may THINK pre-dates his design... he KNOWS if it predates it WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY... and he has no obligation to share the date of origin (in fact it would be foolish) with ANYBODY but the patent office and his patent agent/attorney.
OK, so what else can I debunk here...
Oh yeah... make no mistake about it... if this issues he WILL have the final say about who has access to the technology and at what price for the license... so he will be in control of this segment of the market. Who would you rather have in control? Somebody is going to have it... why not Mike?
Last but not least...
Mike IS a greedy ......., but in this case, he's OUR greedy .......... I've decided to find that charming. I may actually license this crap he's peddling and make a run for my corner of the market... I NEVER would have entered the market until these little details came out... because I KNOW BETTER than to market a device I didn't invent... it would only serve to put me in an unpleasant position once patents issue!
Well for a guy that wrote his OWN patents I can see why you think this is no good , BUT my patent lawyer ( he does this for a living BTW ) says it is and you have no idea of the actual filing date so there is no way you would know what came first as far as the USPTO so ????
here's a list of all of my patents FYI , Ya I know none of them are any good .
PAT. NO. Title
1 7,461,415 Method and apparatus for automatically lifting a cover
2 6,989,895 Automated fiber optic inspection system
3 6,954,262 Automated fiber optic inspection system
4 6,454,631 Polishing apparatus and method
5 6,428,391 Method and apparatus for polishing
6 6,302,763 Apparatus for polishing
7 6,190,239 Polishing method using two stage members
8 6,183,343 Polishing apparatus with defined pattern
9 5,947,797 Computer-controlled method for polishing
10 5,319,734 Fiber optic attenuator
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Well I have resigned myself to the fact that people are going to think whatever it is they think. I also realize that now that it is officially filed and in the works for approval it is a completely Mute Point because it is already done. So I have to side with Zen on having one of our own hold this patent instead of some HUGE Tobacco Company. The more patents the tobacco industry can get the more options they can shelf in order to continue to promote tobacco use. At least with our fine manufacturers getting the patents early they have some already on devices we enjoy and now should those patents get approved and issued the Tobacco industries have their hands tied for once instead of the other way around.
Nate aka Darth Vapor
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Actually, I perused the patent he listed as being his... he did a pretty fair job, actually, especially as a DIY job... impressive even...
He still isn't right about yours... he's missing something in yours that isn't very obvious to the lay, but I'm not going there anytime soon... it's well written patent, especially if you're well versed in licensing agreements, which you obviously are.
So, if I understand your post, you are concerned about the RJR's out there and also the "GREEDY B......DS" (small PV companies) for selling their VV units....
Are you saying that the Darwin is a "knock-off" of your VV device?
The Darwin is a variation on the VV devices , whether it is in violation is to be seen , there may be parts that are ??? we have not gotten into it that far yet so ???
Are you KIDDING? Things are looking up for this industry... it's getting REAL... and that means REAL OPPORTUNITY!
I agree that MasterofChaos did an impressive job for a layperson, but it was still obviously not written by a patent attorney. I also agree that MasterofChaos is wrong about Mike's application, it is obviously written by a patent attorney who has been around for a while.
I wouldn't mind a patent on a particular model but to patent something that everyone around in May 09 was discussing as Steve from Puresmoker was introducing the first American made 5v Pv, I find
disturbing. This has always been a forum of ideas freely shared. This doesn't stop big tobacco it can be sold to them. I think that there are sufficient amt of people buying and collecting PV's that no one
person needs to own such a broad technology. People coming out with new PVS doesnt hurt ONE supplier and unless the PV is identical its a moot point. No one I know only owns one PV. So why the need
for a patent on vv's?? If really interested in "protecting" from big tobacco, why not open, free licensing to individuals???
disturbing. This has always been a forum of ideas freely shared. This doesn't stop big tobacco it can be sold to them. I think that there are sufficient amt of people buying and collecting PV's that no one
person needs to own such a broad technology. People coming out with new PVS doesnt hurt ONE supplier and unless the PV is identical its a moot point. No one I know only owns one PV. So why the need
for a patent on vv's?? If really interested in "protecting" from big tobacco, why not open, free licensing to individuals???
So now, Buzzkill, you apparently want to play the "my patent is bigger than yours" game? Sorry, I won't go there.
I don't need to compare .... sizes with other people, and I don't need to justify my abilities to the likes of you.
The patent is very poorly written, and it won't go through. End of story. Have fun re-arranging your claims to try to get them approved!
And, Zen, writing letters is very Evil. It causes people and companies stress; some people freak out even at the threat of litigation. What this guy is trying to do is put a "Chill" on the industry. Geez, and he hasn't even made it to his first examiners report yet!
How can you possibly think that is a good thing?
Look at it this way: Do you like that the RIAA and the MPAA are threatening to sue welfare moms and 11 year olds?
How is threatening small manufacturers any different?
BuzzKill - if you really want to build a strong business, here's what you do: Domiinate the market with innovative and novel products that people will buy. Try that for a change.
Don't threaten small companies with litigation.
I mean, how much money do you really hope to get from the guy that makes the MonkeyBox and the guy that makes the Ali'i?? A few thousand bucks?? Are you going to send cease and desist letters to someone who posts a circuit for an "Evercool" BB mod on the forums??
Its obviously not even about the money.
You are a bully, and I HATE bullies.
I stand up to them whenever I can.
I don't need to compare .... sizes with other people, and I don't need to justify my abilities to the likes of you.
The patent is very poorly written, and it won't go through. End of story. Have fun re-arranging your claims to try to get them approved!
And, Zen, writing letters is very Evil. It causes people and companies stress; some people freak out even at the threat of litigation. What this guy is trying to do is put a "Chill" on the industry. Geez, and he hasn't even made it to his first examiners report yet!
How can you possibly think that is a good thing?
Look at it this way: Do you like that the RIAA and the MPAA are threatening to sue welfare moms and 11 year olds?
How is threatening small manufacturers any different?
BuzzKill - if you really want to build a strong business, here's what you do: Domiinate the market with innovative and novel products that people will buy. Try that for a change.
Don't threaten small companies with litigation.
I mean, how much money do you really hope to get from the guy that makes the MonkeyBox and the guy that makes the Ali'i?? A few thousand bucks?? Are you going to send cease and desist letters to someone who posts a circuit for an "Evercool" BB mod on the forums??
Its obviously not even about the money.
You are a bully, and I HATE bullies.
I stand up to them whenever I can.
Zen, if you want to check out a bunch of my other patents, try doing a search in the applications as well. There's a few of them in there.
GMoney,
Thank you for saying my patent was obviously not written by a patent lawyer. I consider that a great compliment!
It was, however, reviewed and edited by a rather respected patent lawyer up in Edmonton.
He also did the submission.
Thank you for saying my patent was obviously not written by a patent lawyer. I consider that a great compliment!
It was, however, reviewed and edited by a rather respected patent lawyer up in Edmonton.
He also did the submission.
Ultimately this is only going to hurt the people that want the option of buying a reasonably priced VV. The ones that do not have the funds for the high priced units but still want to try them. I have many VV's and will buy more before they are priced so high that the average user can not afford to buy one. A lot of the people on this forum are looking for a way to save money. I applaud buzzkill for his entrepreneur spirit but think it was low to use we the people of this forum to rat out the other vendors for him and not say why he wanted the information first.
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