That and there simply isnt enough room inside the Vivi to make the coil as large as we are talking about. Plus I'm not sure if its appropriate to get into rebuilding their products in their thread. I may be wrong.
VERSION 2.5 Vision ViVi Nova Is IN STOCK Now, VIVI NOVA Review Thread
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I tend to agree that getting into modding the VN is pushing it... topic wise
Still I assumed that if the VN heads had higher ohms... they had to fit in either more coils or something to get to a higher resistance and that would imply ( I think ) more surface area on the coil. I did get long winded in explaining why I was asking the question... but only so the reason I was asking would be understood better and not thought to be argumentative in nature. In the past, when I was concise ( blunt and to the point ) it has been taken wrong.
We do know this... a lower ohm vaporizer on lower volts can produce the same watts as a higher ohm on higher voltages. To me, this favors going with the lower ohm and voltage. If on the otherhand, going with a higher ohm vaporizer also helps increase the flavor as well, even if the watts are the same with the lower setup... then this is a good reason to be considering which direction may be best for someone.
At this point... I've tried vaping on the VN v2.5 with the 1.8 as well as the 2.8... and I'm unable to notice any substantial increase in flavor but this may not be a big enough jump in resistance and type of coil to make a big difference... so the 4 ohm coil may help but only if the flavor is better due to increased surface area somehow.
Still I assumed that if the VN heads had higher ohms... they had to fit in either more coils or something to get to a higher resistance and that would imply ( I think ) more surface area on the coil. I did get long winded in explaining why I was asking the question... but only so the reason I was asking would be understood better and not thought to be argumentative in nature. In the past, when I was concise ( blunt and to the point ) it has been taken wrong.
We do know this... a lower ohm vaporizer on lower volts can produce the same watts as a higher ohm on higher voltages. To me, this favors going with the lower ohm and voltage. If on the otherhand, going with a higher ohm vaporizer also helps increase the flavor as well, even if the watts are the same with the lower setup... then this is a good reason to be considering which direction may be best for someone.
At this point... I've tried vaping on the VN v2.5 with the 1.8 as well as the 2.8... and I'm unable to notice any substantial increase in flavor but this may not be a big enough jump in resistance and type of coil to make a big difference... so the 4 ohm coil may help but only if the flavor is better due to increased surface area somehow.
4 ohms would be overdoing it and you would need about 7-8 volts to push it properly. 3.2-3.4 ohm coils would be awesome imo. Btw my Vivi is still going strong, tasting clean and makin plumes....love this thing!
To get 10 watts of power on a 4 ohm vaporizor... you would only need 6.325 volts. Up to now, the max watts I liked ( on lower resistance vaporizers ) has only been up to 8-9 watts at most.
Yeah I guess so...that's a weak vape for me though. I shoulda said "I" would need 7-8 volts.
I know you aren't alone... I've read of a lot of vaper's that go to the 11-14 watt range. I tried a lot of vaporizers on an unregulated mod before I selected to go with a Kick in my mod... This is the one area that Evolv needs to address, IMO, since the Kick is limited to 10 w and even the Darwin at 12w.
Guys earlier in the thread where we discussed the v1 issues at length there was a ton of discussion and trading info on rebuilding the vivi heads. Frankly, the discussion probably (and bad or danno can correct me if Im wrong) led to some of the improvements we are all enjoying with the vivi now.
Fact is the heads are rebuildable and even discussed/promoted as such so imo its not an off topic discussion at all. Now me personally, I can follow the whole idea but I dont get into rebuilding my attys. Im the kind of customer GV loves. My attys die, I buy more... lol.
My thoughts arent so much about coils etc. I am after better flavor and battery performance using a higher ohm coil in the vivi. I alao vape all vg juice, sans flavoring. VG vaporizes at a higher temp than PG, and Ive found that more wattage is a good thing and higher ohm coils handle my juices far better. The flavor range and diff voltages/wattages with HV attys is quite impressive.
There are definite benefits to LR coils but specifically with the vmax (which GV will be selling and its an AWESOME piece of hardware that EVERY SINGLE GV CUSTOMER SHOULD OWN) because the way the pwm is set LR coils dont do too well. Theres a ton of info on it in the vmax tips and tricks thread in the VV forum where we have hashed it all out. I wont get into it here. You can wander over there if you like.
Fact is the heads are rebuildable and even discussed/promoted as such so imo its not an off topic discussion at all. Now me personally, I can follow the whole idea but I dont get into rebuilding my attys. Im the kind of customer GV loves. My attys die, I buy more... lol.
My thoughts arent so much about coils etc. I am after better flavor and battery performance using a higher ohm coil in the vivi. I alao vape all vg juice, sans flavoring. VG vaporizes at a higher temp than PG, and Ive found that more wattage is a good thing and higher ohm coils handle my juices far better. The flavor range and diff voltages/wattages with HV attys is quite impressive.
There are definite benefits to LR coils but specifically with the vmax (which GV will be selling and its an AWESOME piece of hardware that EVERY SINGLE GV CUSTOMER SHOULD OWN) because the way the pwm is set LR coils dont do too well. Theres a ton of info on it in the vmax tips and tricks thread in the VV forum where we have hashed it all out. I wont get into it here. You can wander over there if you like.
Are you saying that before posting something like that... that you want a warning posted?
Yeah, really! Actually, I used to worry about the computations and it just kept boiling down to turn it up it gets hotter, turn it down it gets cooler... guess it got to seem pointless unless it was in circuit design - still not ready to lose a chunk of face.
It wasn't so much of it being off topic as it not being appropriate for this sub-forum. You made my point in your last sentence above. There is another sub-forum for that type of discussion, thats all.
I didn't think that it was inappropriate here - I posted jokingly. Actually rebuilding an atty/clearo is considered modding and that's come up here I believe - there is also a vivi thread in the modding section. I take this thread to be all things vivi 2.5 so it seems a fit for me. Anyway, the pills are working fine!
My position is that instructing the general public on how to rebuild a vendors product, instead of buying their replacements, is better suited for the modding forum instead of the specific vendors forum. Thats just my opinion. I am a modder myself and the biggest attraction of the Vivi for me is the rebuildable factor.
Sorry for bringing in the re-build part but what I do want to say is there are no 3-4 OHM coils so why not build your own... at least til the new ones come out. That and of course it is advertised as a rebuild-able so you should all at least buy 1!!!
I have ran 3-4 runs though each tank about on stock heads and besides the dry hit (Unless I tip it up) they are awesome. No leaks and look great. Are they perfect? No but with a little work they can be. I think I am gonna get away from carts full time and get 2-3 more of these. They are just that good.
I have ran 3-4 runs though each tank about on stock heads and besides the dry hit (Unless I tip it up) they are awesome. No leaks and look great. Are they perfect? No but with a little work they can be. I think I am gonna get away from carts full time and get 2-3 more of these. They are just that good.
No need to be sorry. We will take you out behind the wood shed and ruff you up later.
You do have a point, they dont exist so whats wrong with discussing making them.I agree also about the performance. It doesn't matter what drove me to buy these, they do perform great right out of the box.
I am not a big fan of laying down PVs, but these do require it as you mention.
I'm not sure if I've said this in this thread or not,but I've owned about 5 of the Vision tanks that look just like these, and they all were junk. FTR they were not from GV, but I believe from what I've read they were all the same no matter were they came from. I learned how to mod them and it fixed 1/2 the problem. They were quite expensive for them not to work. So the Vivi's are a breath of fresh air. I will say its about time.
Guys, if talking about how to rebuild or mod cartos or heads was off-topic on this sub-forum, half of the product discussions around here would be off-topic. Seriously. Up until we got to v2 discussion in this thread alone, I'd guess fully a third of posts was about rebuilding the heads.
Re-wicking Stardusts was also discussed extensively.
It comes up, discussions, theories, directions and videos get posted regularly, and not once did I see Bad or Danno object. In fact I've seen Bad get involved in these. I suspect Bad is a not-so-in-the-closet tinkerer.
Granted, the need for all the tinkering with cartos is drastically decreasing as more and more really good products are coming out, but I honestly don't believe such discussions are off-topic here.
Of course, Danno and Bad will correct me if I'm wrong - but that's just what I observed around here. And it makes this forum more exciting and interesting for some of us, I'm sure. I like reading about it, though I don't do it, myself. Not much, anyway. I modded Fluxos, of course, and I tinkered some with VEs (didn't like the tips), but I'm not a tinkerer... I am pathologically curious, though.
P.S. I don't hang out on the modders forum, since I don't really mod, so I rather enjoy reading about it here, especially since I only buy hardware from GV, with very few exceptions - those exceptions mostly having to do with picking up an occasional Stardust along with a juice order. Well, I also drool about those really expensive wooden custom mods - but, firstly, I can't afford them, and secondly, GV doesn't carry them, so no "disloyalty" involved... LOL
And, btw, if there was a wooden VV that was not a squonker, but just a VV batt on top of which I could stick my Stardusts, I'd be hard-put not to buy one, expensive or not - hey, maybe Chinese will make it, and GV will carry it, some day. I just really like wood. It's pretty. Now this really is off-topic in this thread.
Re-wicking Stardusts was also discussed extensively.
It comes up, discussions, theories, directions and videos get posted regularly, and not once did I see Bad or Danno object. In fact I've seen Bad get involved in these. I suspect Bad is a not-so-in-the-closet tinkerer.
Granted, the need for all the tinkering with cartos is drastically decreasing as more and more really good products are coming out, but I honestly don't believe such discussions are off-topic here.
Of course, Danno and Bad will correct me if I'm wrong - but that's just what I observed around here. And it makes this forum more exciting and interesting for some of us, I'm sure. I like reading about it, though I don't do it, myself. Not much, anyway. I modded Fluxos, of course, and I tinkered some with VEs (didn't like the tips), but I'm not a tinkerer... I am pathologically curious, though.
P.S. I don't hang out on the modders forum, since I don't really mod, so I rather enjoy reading about it here, especially since I only buy hardware from GV, with very few exceptions - those exceptions mostly having to do with picking up an occasional Stardust along with a juice order. Well, I also drool about those really expensive wooden custom mods - but, firstly, I can't afford them, and secondly, GV doesn't carry them, so no "disloyalty" involved... LOL
And, btw, if there was a wooden VV that was not a squonker, but just a VV batt on top of which I could stick my Stardusts, I'd be hard-put not to buy one, expensive or not - hey, maybe Chinese will make it, and GV will carry it, some day.
I just really like wood. It's pretty. Now this really is off-topic in this thread.
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Guys, if talking about how to rebuild or mod cartos or heads was off-topic on this sub-forum, half of the product discussions around here would be off-topic. Seriously. Up until we got to v2 discussion in this thread alone, I'd guess fully a third of posts was about rebuilding the heads.
Re-wicking Stardusts was also discussed extensively.
It comes up, discussions, theories, directions and videos get posted regularly, and not once did I see Bad or Danno object. In fact I've seen Bad get involved in these. I suspect Bad is a not-so-in-the-closet tinkerer.
Granted, the need for all the tinkering with cartos is drastically decreasing as more and more really good products are coming out, but I honestly don't believe such discussions are off-topic here.
Of course, Danno and Bad will correct me if I'm wrong - but that's just what I observed around here. And it makes this forum more exciting and interesting for some of us, I'm sure. I like reading about it, though I don't do it, myself. Not much, anyway. I modded Fluxos, of course, and I tinkered some with VEs (didn't like the tips), but I'm not a tinkerer... I am pathologically curious, though.
P.S. I don't hang out on the modders forum, since I don't really mod, so I rather enjoy reading about it here, especially since I only buy hardware from GV, with very few exceptions - those exceptions mostly having to do with picking up an occasional Stardust along with a juice order. Well, I also drool about those really expensive wooden custom mods - but, firstly, I can't afford them, and secondly, GV doesn't carry them, so no "disloyalty" involved... LOL
And, btw, if there was a wooden VV that was not a squonker, but just a VV batt on top of which I could stick my Stardusts, I'd be hard-put not to buy one, expensive or not - hey, maybe Chinese will make it, and GV will carry it, some day.
I'm new to this thread, so my assumptions that teaching people how to get around spending money on a vendors product in the vendors forum, may be wrong. I just thought it was courteous. I will be the first to admit if I'm wrong, and if the site owners are taking part in these conversations then clearly I'm wrong.
Oh, as far as the wood VV thing goes, just because a PV is a bottom feeder doesn't mean it has to be used as a bottom feeder. They have 510 connections on top and as such any accessory can be used on them. I had a Phidias bottom feeder and I kept a tank on top of it at all times and never put a juice bottle inside it. Its actually a plus due to the size and weight of a wood PV the tanks feel better balanced on top of them, IMO.
Oh, I don't think it's a matter of right and wrong - and courtesy is something that is all too often underrated in our world, so I definitely understand your sentiment, and, likely, Bad and Danno appreciate it.
Frankly, I've seen people get outright rude and break all acceptable customs of hospitality as far as being a guest in someones home (which is, after all, what this forum is for GV) much too often, and get away with it, too.
It's just that Bad and Danno are nice guys and don't tend to squelch people's fun. Heck, Bad actually gives away wick and wire on occasion...
One thing to consider is that tinkerers are obsessive. Their outward goal may be to save money by rebuilding stuff, but, in the process of working on a better and better way of doing it, they often buy more stuff anyways.
Now, if someone starts giving links to other vendors, that's an entirely different matter.
Oh, cool. For some reason it didn't occur to me. I do hope GV gets something like these in it's ever-growing repertoire one of these days. There is still a matter of price... I love the idea of artisan-made custom doohickeys. And, having made and sold such things on occasion, I certainly understand the pricing. I used to make these fancy wood cut and painted Santas and sell them at Christmas fairs. Did all my own woodwork an' all. I once calculated how much I was making per hour doing that while setting the price that people were actually willing to pay. It turned out to be about 10 cents. But I can't deny that if Chinese make something like that and sell it at third of the price, even if the quality is considerably less, I'd be far more likely to buy it.
I shouldn't have been running around here singing the praises of this tank. I went to order some more this morning and they were out of stock. 
Wanted to try the Phoenix bottom coils anyway, so I ordered some of those instead.
Wanted to try the Phoenix bottom coils anyway, so I ordered some of those instead.
Actually, low resistance increases the amp load when used at the same watts.
2.0Ω atty at 8.0 watts draws 2.0 amps.
3.0Ω atty at 8.0 watts draws 1.63 amps.
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