I have been tryin to mix up a few flavors and I'm getting absolutely nowhere!! I used dans calculator to mix up some Carmel cheesecake and it came out horrible couldn't even vape it, I tried peanut butter cup and all I could taste was peanut no matter how much I diluted it or added other flavors. I use only syringes so my measurements are exact. I have no idea what I'm doin wrong I'm sick of wasting flavors! The only thing I can think of is that I'm using tpa flavors instead of lorann so I don't know if that would screw up the ratios? The only thing I made that was bearable was a strong key lime. Does anyone here use TPA flavors and can give me a recipe with amounts of what to use
or something that would give me some clue.
Very discouraged
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When replicating a recipe you need to use what is called for in the recipe, just like cooking e.g Lorans, Capella, FA etc... when I state use butter, I mean butter not margarine.
I'm not having any luck with DIY, either. If I can actually find a tolerable flavor, it's still missing something that I can't put my finger on. In order to get any kind of TH at all to make it any kind of satisfying, I have to make it at least 24mg nic content. I've tried PGA, lemon, pepper..nada. I've tried two vendors for premixed flavors and both are great on flavor and great on that satisfying "I just smoked" feeling. I cannot get that with DIY at all. There's got to be a secret ingredient out there somewhere and I need to find it! LOL
I can't use capella's at all. Too sickly sweet. I'm too scared to try lorann for the same reason. TPA, some are okay, most give me a dull, throbbing headache and some are outright dangerous to whiff, like her kona coffee. That stuff nearly knocked me over. I ended up dumping out 15ml of the DK tobacco base I mixed up because I nearly tossed my groceries and nothing I tried fixed it. What's wrong with me? LOL I am trying so hard. I guess I need to find a good source for organic concentrates and just suck up the costs of them.
It's funny how everyone's tastes are different because i tried peanut butter cup with TPA and cannot get any peanut flavor to come through. All I get is the double-chocolate, which thankfully, is one of the ones that I can actually tolerate.
I can't use capella's at all. Too sickly sweet. I'm too scared to try lorann for the same reason. TPA, some are okay, most give me a dull, throbbing headache and some are outright dangerous to whiff, like her kona coffee. That stuff nearly knocked me over. I ended up dumping out 15ml of the DK tobacco base I mixed up because I nearly tossed my groceries and nothing I tried fixed it. What's wrong with me? LOL I am trying so hard. I guess I need to find a good source for organic concentrates and just suck up the costs of them.
It's funny how everyone's tastes are different because i tried peanut butter cup with TPA and cannot get any peanut flavor to come through. All I get is the double-chocolate, which thankfully, is one of the ones that I can actually tolerate.
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i ran into the same issue when i first started, i just kinda let the juice rot in my stash box, its been a few weeks, and flavors that i thought had no flavor and i added more flavor to try to perk it up, are now unbearable cause the flavor is so strong, let them steep for a while and see what happens.
DIY mixing can be difficult there are to many different flavors some very strong,some weak,some that don't tast good. When starting out using only a few drops then add more as needed and try to keep it simple till you find how much to use, and what you like. What i do is just use some PG/VG and flavoring with no nicotine in it, that way if you don't like it your not wasting your nicotine. When you mix more then one or two flavorings ratios become harder to get it to tast right/good it can be a kind of hit or miss thing.If you look in DIY recipes that will help you.
That's exactly what I have been doin except I use syringes to keep my measurements exact. I looked into recipes but I can't find any that are specific to PA to make a bit easier for me to get started.
I did come up with a good recipe using only TPA. It's basically blueberry, cheesecake, graham cracker and mountain dew. I added 1/2ml of PGA into a little cup, added 6 drops cheesecake, 6 drops blueberry, 4 drops graham cracker and 3 drops of mountain dew. I added 1/2 ml of that mixture to my 10ml mix and then 3 drops of the cotton candy flavor to sweeten it just a little. So far, it's the only thing I have made that I can use. It's not too sweet and the Mountain dew gives it a little bubbly taste that compliments the blueberry. I might get brave and try this with a very tiny amount of raspberry because that stuff knocks my socks off but when the smell starts to dwindle, it is very nice. I quickly learned to mix with no nic first because I wasted quite a bit when I first started and was overly confident that I knew what the hell I was doing.
I even mixed a Carmel flavor of 10% flavor in a base of 50-50 pg/vg and it was still nasty. Is this normal, is 10% too strong? From everything I have read it seems like 10% is a good starting point. Want to get this worked out but I don't even know what the problem is. I'm so damn frustrated at this point I'm about to go to wawa an get a pack of smokes!!
I think 10% is way way too strong. Possible toxicity aside, and we have no idea, it's a sledgehammer. I use a 1 ml test vial and a 1 cc syringe with 32 gauge needle for flavors, so each droplet is 0.0025 ml, or 4 droplets make 1% of 1 ml, or 2 droplets make 1% of 1/2 ml. Tricky to pull up a hair and push out microdroplets, but a lot of flavors work well below 1%. Only a few need over 1%. You can easily test with a 1/2 ml sample by dripping. That way you can work at full nicotine concentration and every bad idea only costs 1/2 or 1 ml, and traces of flavoring. Start with zero flavoring and try adding something at 0.5%, slowly get a sense of what does what. For instance Lorann raspberry is very cough syrup tasting, it's very hard to use.
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Hummm, an all TPA recipe, with amounts... I don't know what you have, but here's a few.
All at 18mg nic
Ice Cream:
0.9 ml of 100mg PG nic
3.2 ml of PG/VG premixed at 80/20
0.14 ml of Cotton Candy Flavor
0.77 ml of Vanilla Bean Ice Cream Flavor
Squirt-ish Cola:
0.9 ml of 100mg PG nic
3.2 ml of PG/VG premixed at 80/20
0.86 ml Mountain Dew Type Flavor
0.05 ml Sweetener
Pears of Cinn:
0.9 ml of 100mg PG nic
3.2 ml of PG/VG premixed at 70/30
0.72 ml of Pear Flavor
0.18 ml of Cinnamon Flavor
Note! I like strong flavor!
These 3 work for me every time.
All at 18mg nic
Ice Cream:
0.9 ml of 100mg PG nic
3.2 ml of PG/VG premixed at 80/20
0.14 ml of Cotton Candy Flavor
0.77 ml of Vanilla Bean Ice Cream Flavor
Squirt-ish Cola:
0.9 ml of 100mg PG nic
3.2 ml of PG/VG premixed at 80/20
0.86 ml Mountain Dew Type Flavor
0.05 ml Sweetener
Pears of Cinn:
0.9 ml of 100mg PG nic
3.2 ml of PG/VG premixed at 70/30
0.72 ml of Pear Flavor
0.18 ml of Cinnamon Flavor
Note! I like strong flavor!
These 3 work for me every time.
Or Pears of Maple:
0.9 ml of 100mg PG nic
3.2 ml of PG/VG premixed at 70/30
0.70 ml of Pear Flavor
0.25 ml of Maple Flavor
0.05 ml of Bavarian Cream Flavor
I like strong flavors too.
0.9 ml of 100mg PG nic
3.2 ml of PG/VG premixed at 70/30
0.70 ml of Pear Flavor
0.25 ml of Maple Flavor
0.05 ml of Bavarian Cream Flavor
I like strong flavors too.
Ecigexpress will be selling FlavourArt Qhit, which is said to provide throat hit.
See post #14 here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...orings-30ml-12-99-not-sale-2.html#post2057316
Maybe this will be the "secret ingredient". I'm going to include some in my next order.
Maybe try single flavors at a time and mix only 1ml to test, less waste from the nasty..
I have tried a few recipes from folks that are absolutely disgusting to me e.g Napoleon Dollop. Flavours are extremely subjective. Wrt 2% flavouring that is indeed a tad low IMO.
When inventing a recipe start with a 3ml bottle with 9 drops of nic base and 1 drop of flavour = 10%
If that is not strong enough, make another test sample of 8 drops nic base and 2 drops flavour = 20%
If that was too strong, mix both together = 15% Where is it closer to?
All mixes should be tested on a clean atty. All mixes should be allowed to sit for 24-48hrs prior to testing. Recipes should be allowed to sit for 2 weeks or so before being vaped. If you are mixing one of your favourites, mix ahead of time.
To clear an atty from testing at higher flavour concentrations, vape a couple of drops of staight PG/VG until no flavour is detected, then test the new lower concentration etc... Hope this helps.
ETA: Just because the % might be fine, does not necessarily mean they will be fine for larger qties. Yes I have come to find that out. Move to 3 or 5ml, then 10 etc, all the way up to thirty, tweaking as necessary
When inventing a recipe start with a 3ml bottle with 9 drops of nic base and 1 drop of flavour = 10%
If that is not strong enough, make another test sample of 8 drops nic base and 2 drops flavour = 20%
If that was too strong, mix both together = 15% Where is it closer to?
All mixes should be tested on a clean atty. All mixes should be allowed to sit for 24-48hrs prior to testing. Recipes should be allowed to sit for 2 weeks or so before being vaped. If you are mixing one of your favourites, mix ahead of time.
To clear an atty from testing at higher flavour concentrations, vape a couple of drops of staight PG/VG until no flavour is detected, then test the new lower concentration etc... Hope this helps.
ETA: Just because the % might be fine, does not necessarily mean they will be fine for larger qties. Yes I have come to find that out. Move to 3 or 5ml, then 10 etc, all the way up to thirty, tweaking as necessary
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I find flooding with unflavored PG/VG, taking a couple puffs to heat it, shaking out hard over the trash, and repeating repeatedly, is a passable way to clean out an atomizer between flavors. I don't know how anyone can realistically try out mixes on a 24-48 hour wait. Chemistry is chemistry. The exact same reactions that take place slowly at room temp take place much faster at higher temperature. Just heat the vial in hot water. But do leave some to "age"; that horrid wet dog sardine juice COULD possibly turn into a fine elixir, it has been known to happen (seldom).
New to this myself. Though I have had great luck with the TPA flavors. Though starting out I am mostly using one flavoring at a time to get an idea of how each flavor might react with the others. Sort of like cooking and knowing each individual spice to know what will go well with others. Even individually some of them are stronger and others weaker ie raspberry is really strong yet the watermelon is a bit more subtle. So really do have to play with it. Enjoying diy though and having good luck with it
Following others recipes... keep in mind taste is subjective. They may love it, you not so much.
Different brands of flavoring are very different also. English Toffee from LorAnn and PA are extremely different.
I started with single flavors until I got the hang of DIY before I messed with combining things too much.
You need have a feel for your favorites and how much they need and how they may combine.
Bavarian Cream I learned early on it only needs a little or it's yucky to me.
Vanilla Custard from Capella I can add a few drops and perks up many flavors but nasty in others.
It's basically lots of trial and error and lots of patience to find what works for YOU and quite awesome when you get it down!
Different brands of flavoring are very different also. English Toffee from LorAnn and PA are extremely different.
I started with single flavors until I got the hang of DIY before I messed with combining things too much.
You need have a feel for your favorites and how much they need and how they may combine.
Bavarian Cream I learned early on it only needs a little or it's yucky to me.
Vanilla Custard from Capella I can add a few drops and perks up many flavors but nasty in others.
It's basically lots of trial and error and lots of patience to find what works for YOU and quite awesome when you get it down!
The advice above is great. Not much to add; I'll just note the two most common issues for me:
1) Some flavors are waaaaay too strong. Like, for some flavors, only use 1 drop per 10 ml of liquid or it tastes like puke.
2) Steeping helps blend/mellow flavors. You won't know what they really taste like for a few days.
and yeah, different flavor manufacturers are different strengths for their flavors. Keep at it, good luck!
1) Some flavors are waaaaay too strong. Like, for some flavors, only use 1 drop per 10 ml of liquid or it tastes like puke.
2) Steeping helps blend/mellow flavors. You won't know what they really taste like for a few days.
and yeah, different flavor manufacturers are different strengths for their flavors. Keep at it, good luck!
I totally agree with Wench on starting with single flavors and here is why.
I suggest taking your smallest empty bottle, put 1ml of pg or vg (which ever you use) and add two drops of your flavor. Test that and see what you think. If the flavor isnt there add another drop and cleanse your pallete before trying again. (plain cracker, crusty plain bread or sorbet works great for cleansing your pallete) Test again. Rinse and repeat until you have found your sweet spot with the one flavor
Make sure to keep track of your drops so when you find it you can replicate it! Once you know what your sweet spot for this flavor is try another. As you get to know your flavors and sweet spots for each you can then move on with a better result in a two or three flavor mix. This will tailor your flavors to you, not the person who puts up a recipe.
I suggest taking your smallest empty bottle, put 1ml of pg or vg (which ever you use) and add two drops of your flavor. Test that and see what you think. If the flavor isnt there add another drop and cleanse your pallete before trying again. (plain cracker, crusty plain bread or sorbet works great for cleansing your pallete) Test again. Rinse and repeat until you have found your sweet spot with the one flavor
Make sure to keep track of your drops so when you find it you can replicate it! Once you know what your sweet spot for this flavor is try another. As you get to know your flavors and sweet spots for each you can then move on with a better result in a two or three flavor mix. This will tailor your flavors to you, not the person who puts up a recipe.- Status
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