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Rossum

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So you're a "real" lawyer? Cool. Maybe you could shed some light on Imeo's patent then? Like the priority date, when it's likely to be published, and when might actually be granted? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but shouldn't Imeo be claiming "Patent Pending" rather than "Patented"?
 

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yes Lo Zio, Penelope V3 is compatible with VIR
Well yes, updating the old pennys to work with VIR is the way to go if no simple VW module is reaching the market.
I suppose Penelope V3 is ok with VIR, right?
Actually the main reason I kept previous Penelope version is Proteus; if it's a no go I should start to sell something...
 

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I will try your trick tommorw aal. I still think it will not work but who knows, maybe you are right
Imeo i still think it will work. The bigger total resistance is weighed at the middle where your wick is. You can divide your resistances exponentially by twisting the wires. Anyway I will try NR when I receive VIR. The worst case is that it will give lower power to the R part than it is supposed to and not higher. So you can elevate your temperature and it would work.
 

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wonderful idea Ros. I will do that in case I see that people still want a device like this. On the other hand, VW is old technology and it doesnt suit me because I always want to give the best to my customers and protect them, something that a VW device cant do.

Oh, and a pure mech mod does? Rich.
 

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Well guys, this is how future works. Some old tech is not supported. Like software from 2007 on windows 8


But you see - the Penelope V1 was made JUST FOR the Proteus - they were to be sold together. After much cajoling on the forum by many people - Imeo released the Peneople before the Proteus was ready. Hence I bought two Penelopes for two Proteus.

My friend Clavit did the same thing as did many others.
 

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Yup, especially for those of who have unused Penelope V1's lying around, which were bought years ago in anticipation of the upcoming Proteus that was just around the corner ;)

Same here, a V2 in my case. And a V3 later but that one will be usable on Proteus. In continuing absence of Proteus both my Penny's are living on the 17mm Telegonos mod from Dicodes and the Vaporshark.

I have the utmost respect for you and your wonderful products Imeo but I'm not happy with VIR/Proteus ruling out the use of the Penny V1 & V2s with no backwards compatibility at all. GG has only sold mechs so far. Labeling VW as unacceptable old technology while VIR is not even available yet strikes me as... errmm... 'odd' to say the least.

That's almost the same a Apple declaring the iPhone 5s as too old and not upgradable anymore because the 6 is coming out.
 

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You should really pick up the Tilemahos, it is one hell of a device!

There is nothing wrong with production in China, my friends. Without Chinese production we wouldn't be able to be talking to each other on these devices! From what I've heard, we wouldn't have been vaping either - first ecigarette came out of China maybe a decade ago.



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Usually I dont like to argue the point but today I DO.

China DID NOT invent the first e-cig - Its just a rumour that flies around various forums and gets perpetuated by vapers who repeat it thinking it to be a fact.


Smokeless Non-tobacco cigarette

Publication number US3200819 A
Publication type Grant
Publication date Aug 17, 1965
Filing date Apr 17, 1963
Priority date Apr 17, 1963
Inventors Gilbert Herbert A
Original Assignee Gilbert Herbert A


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So for all those who have been telling it around that China invented the first E-cig - NOW you have the proper information
 
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yes Lo Zio, Penelope V3 is compatible with VIR

Ok, nice.
But it's really a shame for the other Penelopes, I'd say. Penelope went through 3 revisions, theoretically all working with Proteus, now it's bad to know they won't work.
As I understand the problem would be Evolve having a patent on VW devices? Can you really patent such an old technology? Or has the patent to do with the purpose of the VW device (firing an atomizer)?
I mean, if so we are all looking forward to a VW torch light by GG! Stylish when used as a torch :)lol:), easily coupled with an atomizer by unscrewing the lamp.
 

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Oh wow, look, someone knows how to use Wikipedia!!! LOL!

Really, Rossum, do you think I'm actually going to spend my time hashing out IP law in an ecig forum!?! To put it succinctly so that even you can understand, you file for an international patent in your country, which then gets sent to the WIPO, which once granted gets sent to all of the host countries' offices. You end up having a patent from you host country, that is then published in all member countries. God, I hate it when non-lawyers use the Internet to argue with real lawyers! Ugh!!!!

Hey RandomFellow, IANAL but I know that many companies choose to file patents in multiple countries, e.g. US, Major EU countries and Japan. Why do they do that if they can get international protection from a single patent?

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the patent has been filed (not sure when) but has not been granted. So to say the tech is patented is a bit of a misrepresentation, no?

EDIT: apparently it's against the law in the US to market a product as patented when no patent covering the product has been granted.
 
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Usually I dont like to argue the point but today I DO.

China DID NOT invent the first e-cig - Its just a rumour that flies around various forums and gets perpetuated by vapers who repeat it thinking it to be a fact.


Smokeless Non-tobacco cigarette

Publication number US3200819 A
Publication type Grant
Publication date Aug 17, 1965
Filing date Apr 17, 1963
Priority date Apr 17, 1963
Inventors Gilbert Herbert A
Original Assignee Gilbert Herbert A


US3200819-0.png






So for all those who have been telling it around that China invented the first E-cig - NOW you have the proper information

Just as reference:

"United States Patent and Trademark Office"

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nr-r-nr atomizers will work but not always mg. There is no real problem to my opinion but I cant advertise it like they always work
GGTS is a little difficult to work with VIR because of its moving pole. GGTS was made to fit all atomizers in the market and it was a mech construction that could do everything but on existing technology.
Imeo,

can you please give us all a clear summary of which GG devices and atomizers will work with VIR and which not?
Unless I missed something, Penelope V1 and V2 will NOT work with VIR. Will GGTS work with VIR or do I have to sell it?
We need to know these details in order to plan for the next moves...
 

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Thank you for the video Stelios. Dr. Farsalinos does a wonderful job by meassuring and analyzing all the stuff about liquids and temperature. He is the man that can drive e-cig world to the place it belongs with his knowledge and his passion for vapers.
E-cigarettes temperature control : VG vs PG... with VIR
By Dr. Farsalinos

 

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nr-r-nr atomizers will work but not always mg. There is no real problem to my opinion but I cant advertise it like they always work
GGTS is a little difficult to work with VIR because of its moving pole. GGTS was made to fit all atomizers in the market and it was a mech construction that could do everything but on existing technology.

So if i use nr-r-nr atomizers, this means that....... No, i can't figure it out! What does it mean? Will it work or won't it? What requirements have to be fulfilled for it to work?

And GGTS: Is it difficult for the user to use VIR with GGTS, or is it difficult for you to make GGTS work with VIR?

Sorry to be a pest, but your answers really didn't make me any wiser as to the possibility of using VIR with my old equipment ;)
 
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