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Want to see the world's most stupid country regards to vaping?

Discussion in 'Law and the E-Cigarette' started by Vesh, Jun 24, 2017.

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  1. QcVaper

    QcVaper Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 17, 2017
    Canada/Quebec
    Pretty much the same where i live.... Though we can buy e-juice with nicotine in it.... vapers are branded as smokers, store owners cannot promote,sell online they have to basically barricade indoors (closed blinds no clear windows etc. I can't even buy my juice from the u.s.a basically =/ (some do it without an issue but it's illegal still and i don't feel like taking chances) They say Quebec has the worst laws on vaping in north america (debatable since i have no idea if that's true) I mean we HAVE to be 9meters away from any doors,windows,air conducts that leads to a public spaces.... it's overly stupid but yeah.... Aussie seem to have it even worst tbh.. At least i can vape inside my own home 0.0
     
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  2. BOBOKOR

    BOBOKOR Full Member

    Aug 9, 2017
    ANYANG, SOUTH KOREA
    It happens in most of the world. I think we are a way happier than vapers in Thailand. Circumstance will change slow but steady as long as we keep vaping.
     
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  3. QcVaper

    QcVaper Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 17, 2017
    Canada/Quebec
    To be honest most of these "regulation" don't even make sense at all.... Like in the uk where they are limited to a 2ml tank.... Why ? What does it accomplish i seriously don't get it all it's gonna do is force vapers to fill up more often....
     
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  4. BOBOKOR

    BOBOKOR Full Member

    Aug 9, 2017
    ANYANG, SOUTH KOREA
    The social reaction we face today can be compared to one when 1st automobile showed up on street. Governments, law-makers and conventional market are totally at a loss what to do. But it's only matter of time. Stay healthy, Live long, See how it changes.
     
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  5. 90VG

    90VG Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 19, 2016
    5000' in Nevada
    Bring your vape, zero nic. Have a bottle of nicotine, 2-10% (20-100 mg/ml) put one drop on tongue, then vape zero. You shouldn't have a problem.
     
  6. adept1

    adept1 Full Member Verified Member

    Sep 17, 2017
    I'm an American who's lived in Singapore for 14 years now. I actually love it here, and in defense of Singapore: it's super modern, clean, safe, good education system, great roads and public transportation, potable tap water, world-class dining options in addition to wonderful local cuisine. I also would not say there's nothing to do, and you'd be amazed at how much has changed in the last 10 years.

    Of course, the fact that vaping (even zero nicotine) is illegal here is totally ridiculous.

    Smoking is much more restricted here than it used to be, but cigarettes, while expensive (about $10 USD/pack), are still much cheaper than in Australia ($20+ USD/pack). If the government really wants to continue reducing the amount of smoking, it should jack up prices even more on cigarettes, subsidize nicotine replacement gums and patches, and seriously reconsider the stance on vaping.
     
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  7. Bunnykiller

    Bunnykiller ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2013
    New Orleans La.
    hmmm... a drop of 36 nic is enuf to make one get hiccups... 100 nic would make me loose my cookies ;)
     
  8. Opinionated

    Opinionated Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Aug 19, 2015
    You can always come to America. Our bugs are smaller!

    That would suck though, for real. I don't understand this desire of the government to kill us all with cancer.
     
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  9. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Not all of us, just us "highly paying" members of society. Money trumps health in the US, every time, and if a smoking habit robs us of $$ for cancer treatment, too bad. If tobacco was a weed, they'd probably GMO it and then kill all the "native" tobacco plants off with roundup, I'm actually shocked that home grown tobacco isn't illegal yet....

    I think there's this puritanical aspect to the US, too, that really enjoys sin taxes, it's sort of been part of this country forever.... I mean, anyone trying to outlaw alcohol and makes a decent stab at it? That's just crazy to me, we didn't ALL come over on the Mayflower with a desire for religious "freedom" and etc.....

    Anna
     
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  10. Cloudy44

    Cloudy44 Moved On

    Sep 3, 2017
    If smokers were to vape instead of smoke... The Singapore government would take a tremendous loss on tobacco taxes.
    Thus, their implementation of fines for importing ecigs: $5000.
    Possession of ecigs: $2000

    Instead of letting us vape and expose us to 2 by-products of PG and VG, exclusive of nicotine... They would rather want us to smoke and expose us to More than 4000 TOXIC chemicals, of which at least 60 can cause Cancer. The chemicals include tar, nicotine, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, ammonia and benzene. (This list is exactly what is stated on every cigarette pack we buy).

    The reasons (excuses) cited is that vaping introduces minors, including young women to the bad effects of smoking.

    For a minor to start smoking, it's not correlated to advertisements.
    It's peer pressure and/or education.
    And let's say if a minor were to start to smoke, it's more than 4000 TOXIC chemicals, or nothing.
    Instead of, "hey, if wanna smoke, why not vape? It's way much better. U are much less likely to get cancer and u won't bother non-smokers with second hand toxic fumes".

    F**k this sh*t, F**k this country!
     
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  11. LyLyV

    LyLyV Senior Member

    Feb 21, 2018
    Earth (most days)
    Yet another reason why Australia is off the list of places to move to.
     
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  12. Ipster

    Ipster Super Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    This beautiful little blue ball we call home has some wonderful places to live,
    Hopefully someday the predominant speicies will advance past tribalism.
    ⛩✌
     
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  13. Vape Magoo

    Vape Magoo Senior Member

    Dec 3, 2017
    Does the tobacco companies really have to lobby? I don't think so. Who profits most from cigarette sales in many countries? Specially first world countries?

    The government profits a hell of a lot more than all other parties combined on each and every cigarette sold. Not only have they been profiting the most through taxes, but starting a couple of decades back through lawsuits against the tobacco companies. First they profited most, then they sue to obtain more of the lesser profits earned by the tobacco companies.


    ... Implementing rant control ...
     
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  14. Vape Magoo

    Vape Magoo Senior Member

    Dec 3, 2017
    I think Mexico is worse. It is illegal to ship vape mods and atty's to Mexico. Totally bewildering, every time I think about it my brain goes into a logic loop. Then there's China of all places...
     
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  15. Ipster

    Ipster Super Member ECF Veteran

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    So when Im in the states at least half of the year, its no different (except mail order). In the state Im in (one of the worst for vaping- Hawaii) vapers are same as smokers under the law. No vaping in ANY public spaces, parks, beaches, unless its private property and at least 4.5meters from windows, doors, cars. Rediculously, they just made it illegal to vape in your own car if theres a minor aged occupant!

    IF you want to vape in your own home, you better own it! Most condominiums prevent indoor vaping and theyre talking about same regulations as autos around minors (theyll never get away with it up against private property laws).
    Fortunately some private property owners of business areas have created “smoking areas”, albeit typically hidden in the rear pf buildings near a rubbish bin...LOL.
    All institutions are 100% smoke/vape free (universities, resorts, hospitals, government buildings, many more)

    Ive fought like the dickens against these legislative changes, tried unsuccessfully to separate vaping from smoking to no avail. Our senators and legislators still state emphatically “theres not enough data available about the effects of second hand smoke from e-cigarrettes!” At times, minutes after being told again “e-cigarrettes do NOT produce any smoke! Its akin to water vapor”. The age old arguments from ANTZ prevail, “for the good of the keiki(kids)”.
    Hawaii is a tourism based economy too. Hotels fall into the institutions category. Possibly the most common question from friends and other visitors is “where can I stay that will let me vape?” No where, stealth vaping only, although Im always on the look out for resorts that may have a vaping/smoking area for employees, hoping one day to find one either stealth or allowed.
    This has fostered the Air BnB vacation home rentals popularly. Vapers rent them and simply vape whether prohibited or not.
    Really, outdoors with trade winds in parks and beaches when no litter is left by vapers???
    Assinine!
    Possibly one of the worst, probably THE worst state.

    It is important we keep educating, do our best to break down the walls.
    Cheers.
     
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  16. Vape Magoo

    Vape Magoo Senior Member

    Dec 3, 2017
    Yeah, where I am there is no smoking/vaping anywhere public inside or outside, save the infrequent designated area outside that requires a permit, specific signage.... They are far and few in-between, most malls have ONE, otherwise forget it. Except your own property you can not smoke outside even. Not even outside at airports, hospitals or anywhere else you could usually need a trusty pastime. This has led to incredible savings, no more island hoping and hotel stays, never go out for a couple drinks and listen to a band, instead of going out a couple times a week to restaurants it is now a rare event. I may not be happy about it, but my bank account certainly is.
     
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  17. Ipster

    Ipster Super Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    It's clearly a worldwide trend to shove the ”Healthy lifestyle” consciousness down everyones throats like it or not.
    I find something sitting on my left shoulder when I hear of ppl buying a living space (ie. Condominium) to find strangers attempting to enforce lifestyle rules on them.
    Oh, in urban settings a condo is often only choice if no cooperatives exist.
    Oh, that chip won't go away.

    In the states the organization CASAA was discussing this trend five years ago, now seeing it worsen, spreading.
    How often in retrospect do so called experts find they were mistaken in trends?

    I keep seeking communities which are integrated, multi ethnic, multi spiritual or not, multi tier incomes, non imposing governments, live and let live ethos.
    Hmm non existent Utopia? keep me posted.
    Cheers
     
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  18. LyLyV

    LyLyV Senior Member

    Feb 21, 2018
    Earth (most days)
    Yikes. So where CAN one go (around the globe) and not be treated like some kind of villain???
     
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  19. Ipster

    Ipster Super Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    §Actually its not that difficult. Many European nations have no known restrictions on vaping.
    If any of these have recently changed
    (That you’re able to verify), please comment w/update. some I’ve not checked up on in 2018.

    No Restrictions


    Armenia: E-cigarettes and e-liquids are sold without regulation

    Bosnia and Herzegovina: E-cigarettes and e-liquids are sold without regulation, as it was determined that nicotine-containing e-liquid is not classified as a tobacco product

    Bulgaria: E-cigarettes and e-liquids are sold without restriction, without specific regulations from the EU

    Gibraltar: E-cigarettes and e-liquids are sold without restriction

    Latvia: E-cigarettes and e-liquids are sold without restriction

    Lithuania: E-cigarettes and e-liquids are sold without restriction

    Netherlands: E-cigarettes and e-liquids are sold without restriction

    Poland: E-cigarettes and e-liquids are sold without restriction

    Russia: E-cigarettes and e-liquids are sold without restriction, as the country does not classify e-cigarettes are a tobacco product

    Many others are restricited by age of either 16yrs or 18 yrs, which isnt too rough compared to places forbidding any vaping in public, in your home & car in the presence lf minors, and so on. Id rather flip this thread and from positive POV keep watch on places that allow vaping.

    Cheers.
     
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  20. Equality 7-2521

    Equality 7-2521 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 29, 2013
    oakland ca.
    I can understand Australia's position...like all highly Socialist countries or countries with high levels of social benifets....they want you to die as soon as possible, so a long lingering old age doesn't bleed money from the goverment coffers.They'd much rather you died 10 or 20 years sooner so old age pensions and public health system are not overwhelmed to bankruptcy,by hordes of old healthy people.
     
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