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Want to see the world's most stupid country regards to vaping?

Discussion in 'Law and the E-Cigarette' started by Vesh, Jun 24, 2017.

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  1. Ipster

    Ipster Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    I think this verges on a political discussion?
    Im going to refrain from down under commentary directly only to say theyve surpassed thr USA for best countries overall
    In 2018 theyre now #5 or #6; whereas the USA is down to #8.
    Everything weighs out, and if someone wants to vape, theyre going to vape, where ever they are.

    The utility of a thread such as this may be for traveling to & from, expectations for ease of availibility.
    I soend part of the year in different countries. Very diff. Laws but both are against vaping, yet here I am
    And PV in hand.
    Cheers
     
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  2. deb51

    deb51 Full Member

    Apr 23, 2018
    Wagait Beach,Darwin
    I am planning to go to Qld from NT to visit my Dad in about 5 weeks time..will just have to take a risk with my Evods & ejuice.After 20 months of no cigarettes at all the thought of needing to smoke one makes me feel quite ill,even if I walk past someone in the street & smell second hand smoke I feel nauseous.
     
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  3. Possum64

    Possum64 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2017
    Brisbane, Australia
    Hi Deb and welcome to ECF! I am from Queensland and I vape. You will have NO trouble at all while you are here. We are allowed to have mods and eliquids and there are quite a few vapers around now. Just follow the airline guidelines during your flight (s) regarding batteries/liquids etc and you will be fine. Personally, I would clear my tanks of eliquid prior to my flight and carry my eliquid in my checked luggage. Give me a yell if you have any questions.
    Catherine
     
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  4. Opinionated

    Opinionated ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Aug 19, 2015
    My Mountain
    I read your initial post and I don't see it as a lie.

    According to the CDC the direct costs of medical care for smokers is 170 billion dollars annually.

    Your going on that alone but lost production is important too.. lost wages due to illness is made up through various welfare programs, especially long term illness... although even ignoring that, what is taken in through tobacco taxes is not half of the direct care costs.

    The CDC cites what states are taking in as just over 27 million, and while they don't state what the federal government is taking in, I'd say we can safely double what they took in in 2010 which was 15.5 billion.. that's just the last i saw an actual dollar amount anyway..

    That gives us a rough intake of 60 billion where the outgoing is more than double, nearly triple that.

    The problem with the government is that this is a problem when they rely on that revenue to cover (some) Medicare and Medicaid costs.. if everyone quits smoking they will not have those revenues to cover the first 10 years of everyone being quit and many still needing medical care.

    Does this describe our nation's debt and problems over health care expenditure going out that we cannot afford... absolutely not. Smokers at most are 16% of the population and not all of them come down with smoking related illness.

    Our healthcare crisis in this country is the fact our government is forking out trillions in end of life care (the last 6 months of life is where most healthcare cost is)... but that's a whole 'nother story.

    However, just because that is happening and a problem doesn't mean that there isn't cost involved for smokers, nor does it mean it's a cost the government feels able to shoulder. We can't really, we can't shoulder all of this as a nation.

    I can understand the some the government wants to take in, but they have to be able to realize that at some point they will necessarily stop taking those revenues in, and that it's a good thing in the long run.

    The problem is that our government is in the now business and isn't looking toward the future.
     
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  5. deb51

    deb51 Full Member

    Apr 23, 2018
    Wagait Beach,Darwin
    Thanks for your reply Possum..that's a relief!Haven't been on a flight since I started Vaping so am unsure of airline rules(shall have to look in T&Cs).Evods have a small battery,about 4-5 inches & cartomiser top bit.Figured all would go in checked bags.All the hype about Vaping,then about TGA on 23/3..Qld does seem to be over the top..don't think NT has rules about anything except to do with Police at bottle shops & banned drinker's register,& more GST dollars...
     
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  6. Possum64

    Possum64 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2017
    Brisbane, Australia
    Hey Deb. You are welcome. As I said, not a problem to vape here.
    I just checked the Australian Government - Civil Aviation Safety Authority site and it says:

    "Clear restrictions have been placed on the carrying of e-cigarettes and other electronic smoking devices on aircraft.

    The restrictions mean electronic smoking devices can only be taken on board an aircraft in carry-on baggage or on the person of a passenger.

    Electronic smoking devices must not be placed in luggage which is being checked-in and carried in the baggage compartment of an aircraft."

    So basically, carry your batteries on board with you. I personally would take my devices apart and check the rest, so as not to have to worry about the 100ml liquid rule.
     
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  7. deb51

    deb51 Full Member

    Apr 23, 2018
    Wagait Beach,Darwin
    Hey,clever you...opposite of what I'd have thought to do but definetly makes sense,fingers crossed I don't get busted & cop that massive fine they are citing (thanks possibly, to corruption somewhere in the Govt ranks).Have a friend heading to Europe via Perth soon,WA is strict also but EU countries she is visiting embrace vaping.
     
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  8. Possum64

    Possum64 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2017
    Brisbane, Australia
    I have not heard of anyone who has copped a fine to be honest. Hopefully, it is a lot of scare mongering. As long as we all play by the rules and don't flaunt massive amounts of nicotine eliquid around we will be ok. Just bring enough eliquid for your trip with you in your checked luggage and enjoy the time with your Dad.
    You have done SO well, not smoking for 20 months!!
     
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  9. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
    Sigh. I will be getting on an airline in a few months for my first time since vaping. I was planning to drive to Seattle to visit my sis in October, and my plan (as usual when I drive) was to just pick some layovers in a few reasonably rated campsites, and just sleep in my car. It's actually cheaper than flying that way.

    I REALLY hate to fly the challenge is going to be getting on the plane not my vape gear (although some nic salt pouches someone sent me are going to come in nice and handy for the trip itself.

    It was really nice, my Mom, (mistakenly under the impression I would be using hotels, felt that "it was a very bad idea," so offered up frequent flyer miles. I never tell my mom my usual "travel" mode, since people just tell me all the time how usafe that is (I don't see it as necessarily that much less safe than a really cheap motel) so I never tell her how I travel.

    It was really nice of her, although I still think driving would've been fine (I'll do a lot to avoid flying in all seriousness) and I'll be feeling antsy now until the trip is over.

    Anna
     
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