Was I just blinded by the hype?!

[catalystRKS]

Alright so I'm vaping an AGA-T2 with 4 32g kanthal wraps around a mostly solid (with paper clip sized hole) in my 400 SS mesh wick.
Using my VAMO at around 4.2V with the Atty reading around 2.1 ohms. No hot spots, great flavor, but I'm just not getting CLOUDS.
My air hole gives me a slightly airy draw, and I've tried covering it slightly with my fingernail to see if that made a difference.

I got into rba's with the intention of not being able to see anything in front of me when I vape. What advice do you have to give, or is there another (not ridiculously expensive) rba out there for me?

Or should I try different gauge wire, etc etc.
thanks!

 

[padookie]

I don't know much about RBAs but I have heard that the air hole has to be lined up with the wick to get the most vapor. Sorry I couldn't really help.

 

[ukeman]

yep, there is a whole new wave happening in vaping, and in Genesis, but in SLR - sub 1.0 Ohms.
Thats where you get the clouds...
you need 28g (some use 30) 4/3 wrap gets you .8 or .9 Ohms...
You need a good hybrid or high end mechanical set up for good contacts...
Just tilt the device to make sure the juice is at the coil and you get good flavor and more cloud than you can handle.

 

[catalystRKS]

Yeah, I make sure the air hole is in front of the wick when I place the top cap.

 

[ukeman]

With the Vamo or other regulated device, you can only go so low... try a 1.1 or just get it as low as possible before the amp limiter cuts in.

 

[catalystRKS]

yep, there is a whole new wave happening in vaping, and in Genesis, but in SLR - sub 1.0 Ohms.
Thats where you get the clouds...
you need 28g (some use 30) 4/3 wrap gets you .8 or .9 Ohms...
You need a good hybrid or high end mechanical set up for good contacts...
Just tilt the device to make sure the juice is at the coil and you get good flavor and more cloud than you can handle.

I tried dual coils and got an ohm reading of 1.0, too low for my vamo

I plan on getting a cheap mech mod when I have money to burn, but can I correlate low ohms with more vapor?

 

[Blix]

At 2.1 ohms you're barely at 8 watts. Try 3 wraps. Which mod are you using with it?

 

[catalystRKS]

At 2.1 ohms you're barely at 8 watts. Try 3 wraps. Which mod are you using with it?

I'm using the VAMO at the moment, even in wattage mode at 9.5 made no difference.

What I'm seeing so far is apparently I need to get a mech mod ASAP and get below 1.0 ohm with 28/30g

 

[ukeman]

look up the threads on mechanical devices... they talk about a couple cheaper models that will work like iseason, and the Natural (which needs some tweaking)... I'm sure China will be catching on soon though.

I tried dual coils and got an ohm reading of 1.0, too low for my vamo

I plan on getting a cheap mech mod when I have money to burn, but can I correlate low ohms with more vapor?

 

[ukeman]

other than that you could go with DCT but the flavor is no comparison to Genesis at full tilt.

 

[shortee611]

You don't need a high end mech mod. You can pick up a "natural" by smoktech for around $50. The build quality is good not a good as say a high end mech but not too bad. I bought one for my wife and a AGA T+ for $75. One tip for the natural is before you even use it sand down all the contact points with some fine sand paper I used 1200 grit. This removes the chrome plating and reveals the bare brass and give better conductivity. Before sanding with a .9 ohm coil she was getting a .9 voltage drop under load at the posts for the coil. After sanding, same coil same battery the voltage drop was .5 volts. That's a difference from 12 watts to 15 watts. For reference my high end mech mod I'm getting a .2 volt voltage drop with a .9 ohm coil same battery. Only difference is the atty and the mod.

 

[BGabe]

I've been running my AGA T2 at 2ohms on the Zmax @ 10watts. I usually start getting thicker clouds as the wick heats up. But, by that time, the top cap is scorching hot and I'm dizzy from too much nic. lol

 

[c00lkatz]

I have the AGA-T+ with glass tank, and I've used 1.4-2.4 ohm single and dual coil/dual wick setups using 30/32 gague on both the Vamo (single & stacked batts) and eVic. Was not too impressed. Switched over to 28 gauge 0.9 ohms on my Kamry K100 mechanical mod and it's a night and day difference. Definitely need a mech mod to really make the Genesis atomizers shine.

My particular mech mod is the Kamry K100 (Empire Clone) I picked up from GotVapes. I like it because it's bottom button (not pinky button) so you don't care where the wick is in correlation with the button, it's telescopic so it fits all my 18350 & 18650 batteries without the need for extension caps/extra parts, and it's solid and heavy duty. It's not brass like the other popular mech mods, but with an AW IMR 1600mAh 18650 and AW IMR 700mAh 18350 I get about 0.45V voltage drop measured at the coil. At the connector itself without the atty I get exactly what the battery reads. Not bad for $50.

 

[Cjax]

Don't know if it was said already, but vamo cut out below 1.2Ω I usually run my coils about 1.5Ω, but I drip, so it's probly a different beast altogether than a geni-type atty, but I vape at 10-12 watts and with a fresh wick I can't see the road through the windshield!

 

[scrappy]

Alright so I'm vaping an AGA-T2 with 4 32g kanthal wraps around a mostly solid (with paper clip sized hole) in my 400 SS mesh wick.
Using my VAMO at around 4.2V with the Atty reading around 2.1 ohms. No hot spots, great flavor, but I'm just not getting CLOUDS.
My air hole gives me a slightly airy draw, and I've tried covering it slightly with my fingernail to see if that made a difference.

I got into RBA's with the intention of not being able to see anything in front of me when I vape. What advice do you have to give, or is there another (not ridiculously expensive) RBA out there for me?

Or should I try different gauge wire, etc etc.
thanks!

Get it as close to 1.2 ohms as you can. Throat hit was about the same for me, but vapor and flavor went up a lot. If you only end up with 3 wraps then twist two strands of 32g kanthal together and you should be able to do 4 or 5 wraps to get 1.2 ohms. I'm not a fan of coils with just a few wraps.

But don't give up on your search for a mech mod. I'm over the moon with slr coils now.

 

[Northernshrink]

I run the same coil for both mechanical and Vv mods 30ga Kanthal 4/3 wrap usually ohm at 1.1-1.2. I have found the slightest changes can make a big difference. For example switching from wrapping the wick to threading it after making the coil made a big difference in both amount of vapor and flavor.

Just fiddle with it (half the fun) until you get what you want I pulled a ton of information off the board some will work for you some wont.

One thing I find a little odd is vg/pg ratios don't seem to be mentioned much in RBA's ?

 

[meatsneakers]

Turn up the wattage. Aga on a Vamo wasn't doing it for me until I got above 12w. Takes a lot more energy to get a tight stainless wick up to temp.

 

[vapdivrr]

i believe that hi resistance coils cannot compare to low res coils for a couple of reasons. for one the thinner wire puts to much heat concentrated to a specific point of the wick, this at higher wattages can burn juice. also hi res coils uses more voltages, which i believe produces a harsh and hot vapor and ultimately degrades the flavor. now on the other hand a thicker wire spreads out the heat more on the wick, which vaporizes the juice more efficiently, and doesnt pin point the heat as much, thus producing better flavor and vapor. also alot less volts are required, which imo, results in a smoother vape, not as harsh and hot. thicker wire is just more hi performance, because all the energy that is flowing within the wire has low resistance, so everything flows through more efficiently, whereas a thin wire is conjested, energy flowing through has to be forced through by voltage. anyways this is just my thoughts on it. mechanical mod with 28g wire, a 2/3 or 3/4 wrap. 500 mesh rolled very tight or a ceramic wick, this set-up will produce clouds of tasty vapor. now i had always oxidized my ss wicks for this set-up, but now the move is to un-oxidized wicks. i said "had" oxidized my wicks, thats because i have moved to ceramic wicks. i guess this low resistant set-up can work on an un-oxidized wick, just never tried it. are there people that do these sub-1 resistance coils that do the peter-k method? and dont oxidized their wicks?

 

[Thrasher]

while some of the theory is sound some of it makes no sense, how can a sub 1 ohm coil running at 4 volts (on a mech) use less power/voltage then a 2 ohm coil running at 4 v ?

lol not sure how(in your example) 8 to 10 watts is more voltage the 15 watts.

i think it has more to do with the setup if you learn to fine tune what you are using it should all work about the same. after a certain point how much bigger of a cloud do you need? by the time i get to wrk 20 min away my car looks like someone lit a smokebomb.

if there is no trying different ways (loose coil, tight coil, oxy, unoxy, straw, solid wicks etc) there is no real way of knowing if it can be done with a particular wire or wick. just doing things one way with so so results and moving on isnt enough to say the last way wasnt good enough, just it didnt produce the results i was looking for in that setup.




two different cobras running around 1.8 ohms with 32g on 500 unoxy and i stay right around 4-4.2v right around 10 watts or less. now add some airflow to that and you will fog out the room.

 

[c00lkatz]

i believe that hi resistance coils cannot compare to low res coils for a couple of reasons. for one the thinner wire puts to much heat concentrated to a specific point of the wick, this at higher wattages can burn juice. also hi res coils uses more voltages, which i believe produces a harsh and hot vapor and ultimately degrades the flavor. now on the other hand a thicker wire spreads out the heat more on the wick, which vaporizes the juice more efficiently, and doesnt pin point the heat as much, thus producing better flavor and vapor. also alot less volts are required, which imo, results in a smoother vape, not as harsh and hot. thicker wire is just more hi performance, because all the energy that is flowing within the wire has low resistance, so everything flows through more efficiently, whereas a thin wire is conjested, energy flowing through has to be forced through by voltage. anyways this is just my thoughts on it. mechanical mod with 28g wire, a 2/3 or 3/4 wrap. 500 mesh rolled very tight or a ceramic wick, this set-up will produce clouds of tasty vapor. now i had always oxidized my ss wicks for this set-up, but now the move is to un-oxidized wicks. i said "had" oxidized my wicks, thats because i have moved to ceramic wicks. i guess this low resistant set-up can work on an un-oxidized wick, just never tried it. are there people that do these sub-1 resistance coils that do the peter-k method? and dont oxidized their wicks?

I'm running "unoxidized" SS #400 in my sub 1 ohm AGA-T+ using the Petar K/drill bit method. You don't oxidize the whole wick, but when you're working out the shorts in the initial pulsing, the wick does get black/scorched up at the top where the coil heats up. But everything below it is unoxidized, and I feel makes the juice taste much better. I really didn't like SS mesh until I tried unoxidized, it tasted too metallic (yes I checked for hot spots). The unoxidized wick tastes much better to me.