We don't allow anything that LOOKS like smoking.

[jfresh]

I can vape at the poker tables. That is a big deal for me...no missed hands! Frankly, I vape everywhere unless asked not to...I have only been asked not to once, at a casino buffet, and the reason given was exactly the same as in the OP, other patrons' perceptions! I find that laughable, I really do, but I am willing to comply, or stealth vape. If I hold my hit an extra 5 seconds nothing comes out anyway...I'm sure nobody is going to have an issue with some guy sucking periodically on a metal tube!

I am of the mindset that argues not to quickly or passively comply, as though the complaint is valid, cuz its not! I think "own it!" and nobody cares or even notices, usually. I could probably walk naked into a public place, with with a lolipop sticking out of my rear end, and if I "owned it" confidently enough, nobody would even notice.

My 2 cents.

 

[Tober138]

I agree somewhat with what keyzygirl says in terms of coming across as polite. I also agree that any owner of property has a right to include or exclude any person or practice from that property at his/her sole discretion on any basis whatsoever, even if that basis is stupid.

Agreed on both counts. Its no different than before statewide smoking bans went into effect - some places allowed smoking and some did not, and this was up to the owners of these establishments. Just like they had a right to allow (or not allow) smoking, they have a right to allow or not allow vaping. If one doesn't like the policy, they can choose to go elsewhere.

Also, I can see the point of the owners in restaurant in question in the OP. E-cigs are still relatively new; someone might see that and decide to light up a regular cig, or other customers may complain about someone vaping - the restaurant may simply be attempting to head off any such issues by disallowing it outright. Its their establishment so it is their right. Just like other people have a right to patronize or not patronize the place.

I generally don't vape in public places where smoking is disallowed (although I vape to my heart's content in non-smoking hotel rooms) simply because I generally don't want to deal with any potential hassle and also because (as when I smoked) I can comfortably go without for a while with no real issue. I have yet to feel a need to start vaping anywhere and everywhere just because its not an analog. I never felt a strong urge to smoke while grocery shopping, so I have yet to have the urge to vape while doing so.

And if we all follow this direction, then vaping will never be understood, accepted or allowed anywhere.

Personally, the truth is, I just really don't care. My life is busy enough and I don't have the time, inclination or energy to educate the masses. If someone sees me vaping and asks me about it, I'll gladly explain it to them. Other than that, all I care about is that my e-cig has helped me to quit smoking analogs - I don't really care if public places with smoking bans ever choose to allow them or not. Not all of us want to be activists - or see this as an issue to get all worked up about.

That is untrue. They cannot exclude you for "any basis whatsoever". There has to be a "reasonable" reason.

As long the reason is not illegal - sure they can - and they should have that right. Look at those clubs with doormen where some people are let in and some aren't. Some could argue that a dress code is unreasonable - don't like it, conform or go elsewhere.

Never been there. But here is a suggestion. Next time, go into this restruant, order your food, when it arrives, ask the same question. If the answer is the same, leave then, right after they brought the food to the table.

Wow...real mature.

 

[house mouse]

Its their establishment so it is their right. Just like other people have a right to patronize or not patronize the place.
I generally don't vape in public places where smoking is disallowed (although I vape to my heart's content in non-smoking hotel rooms)



So would you vape in a hotel room where you had been specifically told that you could not vape? And that happened to someone in another forum I frequent. Although I still scratch my head about how they would know if you did or didn't.

 

[wv2win]

........I generally don't vape in public places where smoking is disallowed (although I vape to my heart's content in non-smoking hotel rooms).......

Wow, quite the hypocrite.

 

[Puffadder]

Wow, quite the hypocrite.

I believe the difference is there is no one there to object or confuse his vapor for smoke.

Nothing hypocritical about it.

 

[wv2win]

I believe the difference is there is no one there to object or confuse his vapor for smoke.

Nothing hypocritical about it.

He was making the point about following the rules. So, yes, it is hypocritical.

 

[Puffadder]

Work on your reading comprehension, he said nothing about wanting to follow the rules.

I generally don't vape in public places where smoking is disallowed (although I vape to my heart's content in non-smoking hotel rooms) simply because I generally don't want to deal with any potential hassle

So to help you out he doesn't want to deal with the hassle of vaping in a non smoking area in oublic and unless the hotel room sign also said no vaping instead of just no smoking he is not breaking any rules in the hotel room.

So please show me where his concern was for following rules again.

 

[wv2win]

Work on your reading comprehension, he said nothing about wanting to follow the rules.



So to help you out he doesn't want to deal with the hassle of vaping in a non smoking area in oublic and unless the hotel room sign also said no vaping instead of just no smoking he is not breaking any rules in the hotel room.

So please show me where his concern was for following rules again.

That's pure BS and you know it. If you want to vape in non smoking rooms and you think that is just fine because it says "no smoking" instead of our wording "vaping", you just keep slinging that BS. But your are a bigger hypocrite and are being dishonest on top of it.

I personally could care less if someone vapes in a non-smoking room, as I think it is OK to vape just about anywhere. But your BS that the hotel will be fine with someone vaping in a non-smoking room is a fantasy. Your post is a joke.

 

[Puffadder]

Well lets see...Smoking is a potential fire hazard, potentially ruins furniture and rugs with burn marks and leaves a foul odor behind that is nearly impossible to cover up or get rid of.

Vaping - none of the above so yes I would have no problem vaping in a non smoking room because I am not smoking and the next person to inhabit the room would have no idea and therefore no reason to raise an objection.

Now if I am in a crowded place that doesn't allow smoking and I feel there is a reasonable chance I am going to have to waste my time trying to explain something that should be common sense in your opinion to someone who doesn't care to educate themselves or is not capable of understanding the difference between the two things.......

Oh snap! you got me because it would appear that I am doing just that in this discourse with you. Good night and have a great tomorrow!

 

[0siris]

personally i think everyone (non e-cig users) just needs to get over it. some people just want something to complain about. they will never be happy unless the world is exactly how they want it and until then they will try to make us feel guilty about enjoying a small pleasure. they usually back off when I ask to see in writing the "rules" that they are trying to enforce.

 

[Tober138]

I believe the difference is there is no one there to object or confuse his vapor for smoke.

Nothing hypocritical about it.

Exactly. My hotel room is a private room. I'm sitting at the desk in my room at a Marriott at this moment vaping away. No one to complain or have to explain anything to. But I'm not going to pull out my e-cig and start vaping down in the lobby - yes technically I could make an argument and go through the usual spiel, but I'd rather just not be bothered.

 

[Mindfield]

personally i think everyone (non e-cig users) just needs to get over it. some people just want something to complain about. they will never be happy unless the world is exactly how they want it and until then they will try to make us feel guilty about enjoying a small pleasure. they usually back off when I ask to see in writing the "rules" that they are trying to enforce.

While there are uppity sorts out there who just hate smoking or anything that even looks like smoking just on general principle and want nothing to do with you or your metal cigarette, we do have to remember that E-cigs on this side of the world are still pretty new and they haven't had much exposure yet. Very few people know what they are, and it's going to take quite a while before knowledge of them becomes widespread enough that people seeing someone exhaling plumes know enough to ask whether it's a cigarette or a PV.

I don't vape where you can't smoke either unless I have permission for the same reason may others here don't: I don't want other people getting the idea that I'm smoking and decide to light up themselves. It's a hassle for the people that have to deal with the questions and the fallout. Until dealing with electronic cigarettes becomes common enough that people even know there's a question to be asked, I personally think it's best simply to do the courteous thing and be circumspect about it, and ask permission where appropriate.

 

[kingcobra]

Last time I pulled my pv, a silver bullet, out at my favorite bar here in Missouri, an out of uniform officer asked me to step outside with him because he thought I had lit up some kind of strange ..... After a quick explanation and letting him take a toot on it, he was satisfied and we both went inside. He later came up to me and asked me where he could get one. I pointed him in the right direction. About a week later he came up to me in the same bar and pulled out a Yetti. The bartender looked at him strangely and passed him an ashtray. This time he did the explaining and got yet another person hooked on vaping. Electronic cigarettes can spread like wildfire if the right people advertise them.

I totally agree. although we might want to look to explain what we're doing in terms of this being a nicotine inhaler with vapor that's simulated smoke, not real smoke. People will understand that better, if we tell them it's any kind of cigarette, electronic or otherwise, and they see the "smoke" coming from it well they very easily may get the impression that it may be harmful to them and is something that is akin to smoking and something we should do outside.

So we really are doing both ourselves and the vaping community at large a disservice when we feel guilty and refrain from vaping or try to hide it. I've yet to have anyone have a problem with my vaping and some people will ask what it is and I tell them and it's all good, it's all in the way you explain it though. In fact they see it as a better alternative to actual smoking and when you tell them you've quit or trying to quit they will support you and wish you well, and may even get interested in it themselves and ask how they can get started too. If you act like it is or may be a problem then they will probably think it is as well.

 

[Baldr]

That's pure BS and you know it. If you want to vape in non smoking rooms and you think that is just fine because it says "no smoking" instead of our wording "vaping", you just keep slinging that BS. But your are a bigger hypocrite and are being dishonest on top of it.

You are a complete idiot. I'd explain why, except experience has shown me that idiots like you will just keep screaming nonsense.

 

[Crumpet]

I can see being discreet about vaping in non-smoking public areas in view of prying, uninformed eyes but it's never even occured to me to think I shouldn't vape in a private hotel room. It isn't smoking no matter how you try to slice it and it's never going to be smoking.

 

[Mindfield]

I can see being discreet about vaping in non-smoking public areas in view of prying, uninformed eyes but it's never even occured to me to think I shouldn't vape in a private hotel room. It isn't smoking no matter how you try to slice it and it's never going to be smoking.

It's unlikely you'd ever get caught doing that anyway. There would be no odor you'd leave behind -- except maybe a mild, pleasant odour of cinnamon or waffles or something -- and nobody would see you doing it, so I'd feel perfectly justified vaping my brains out in the privacy of a hotel room.

 

[Anima]

... So we really are doing both ourselves and the vaping community at large a disservice when we feel guilty and refrain from vaping or try to hide it.

Backed. If we don't want people to characterize PVs as cigarettes, we can't act like we're doing something akin to smoking. People have every right to know what we are blowing into the air, and we have an obligation to be courteous, but the solution is to educate, not act shady.

 

[uAdC]

at that point when the manager said "anything that looks like smoking", my wise-... instincts would've kicked into high gear.

i probably would've taken a straw, propped it in between my lips, and made a sparking motion with my thumb.

 

[Koman]

Anything that looks like smoking? Well, it is not a clearly defined term to me.

 

[dclee78]

I'm very curious to see what comes of this. I had a similar experience here in Canada at a Boston Pizza. The problem with mine was that they assured me it was against the law to let me vape on the patio, regardless of what came out. They claim it is regulated by the fire department.

I carefully lined my palm up with my forehead and gave them the face-palm of the decade, before paying and leaving.

Epic face-palm eh?? LOL