we wish to announce MistressNomad as our newest SA and head of our Research & Developement...

[Nyxie]

Cheers David. Happy to be here.

You all might notice my spiffy new tag.

Those of you wondering what I was talking about the other night, this is it - I will be relocating permanently to AZ in early December. I was waiting semi-patiently for my supplier associate application to go through so I could tell everyone the good news! I will have a post up disclosing this and talking about a few things later this evening (I have to go out shortly, but it's mostly written).

Thank you to David and Pam, and everyone here. Happy vaping.

Congrats and good luck to you!

 

[Zen~]

Two comments and Two questions...

Comment One: Congratulations to MN. You are a talented young lady with a bright future.

The Questions:

1) Is this testing being done in a Federal Lab? If so, Which One?

2a) If the answer to question one is Yes, how do you expect to get this done for 30K?
2b) If the answer is NO, why bother... the FDA won't even look at the results. Are you doing this to post your Federally certified findings to the FDA? If so, it is imperative to use a lab from which they are willing to accept the results. Anything less might be misconstrued as having a hidden agenda.

Comment 2: You seem to be making a big deal out of passing an OSHA inspection... The Occupational Safety and Health Administration inspections must be passed by EVERY legitimate business, or fines will be levied. Passing an inspection means they won't be shutting you down for work-site safety related issues, nothing more. It is hardly cause for celebration and hoopla, unless of course, you were worried that you might not pass. If you wish to impress, get yourself an ISO rating including Six Sigma.

I mean to imply absolutely no disrespect in asking these questions, or making these comments.

I work in the general business space of the Federal scientific community, and have the utmost respect for any company with a sincere objective to making advancements in their area of interest. As you can well imagine, there are thousands upon thousands of studies performed at GREAT expense to those funding the research, and the research is being done to support claims which in many cases will be used as marketing tools. Yes, it is Scientific Research, or Science for Hire, but these results can often be far from credible. These marketing claims are found on everything from Orange Juice bottles to OTC dietary supplements, and even though the tests were performed in a "lab", it doesn't mean the findings will bear any weight whatsoever with the FDA or any other Government Agency for that matter. Federal Labs have credibility. "Accredited Labs " or "Certified Labs" in most cases, are commercial endeavors... and bear little if any real weight on a Federal level.

 

[ab357]

I think all of the above can only be good



This, I'm not so sure about.

Let your own product (based on the test results) speak for itself.
I don't see the necessity to test others' liquids.
If, or when, the time comes, the FDA will deal with those suppliers appropriately.

David is only referring to testing all the flavorants used to make vape juice. He is not stating he will test other suppliers' e-juices. He's testing each and every ingredient HE uses or will consider using. Period.

 

[smilyblue]

Wow, this is great! Congrat to Mistress and FreedomsmokeUSA as a team. I love FSUSA's ejuices and Mistress explanations on YouTube.

 

[mwa102464]

Two comments and Two questions...

Comment One: Congratulations to MN. You are a talented young lady with a bright future.

The Questions:

1) Is this testing being done in a Federal Lab? If so, Which One?

2a) If the answer to question one is Yes, how do you expect to get this done for 30K?
2b) If the answer is NO, why bother... the FDA won't even look at the results. Are you doing this to post your Federally certified findings to the FDA? If so, it is imperative to use a lab from which they are willing to accept the results. Anything less might be misconstrued as having a hidden agenda.

Comment 2: You seem to be making a big deal out of passing an OSHA inspection... The Occupational Safety and Health Administration inspections must be passed by EVERY legitimate business, or fines will be levied. Passing an inspection means they won't be shutting you down for work-site safety related issues, nothing more. It is hardly cause for celebration and hoopla, unless of course, you were worried that you might not pass. If you wish to impress, get yourself an ISO rating including Six Sigma.

I mean to imply absolutely no disrespect in asking these questions, or making these comments.

I work in the general business space of the Federal scientific community, and have the utmost respect for any company with a sincere objective to making advancements in their area of interest. As you can well imagine, there are thousands upon thousands of studies performed at GREAT expense to those funding the research, and the research is being done to support claims which in many cases will be used as marketing tools. Yes, it is Scientific Research, or Science for Hire, but these results can often be far from credible. These marketing claims are found on everything from Orange Juice bottles to OTC dietary supplements, and even though the tests were performed in a "lab", it doesn't mean the findings will bear any weight whatsoever with the FDA or any other Government Agency for that matter. Federal Labs have credibility. "Accredited Labs " or "Certified Labs" in most cases, are commercial endeavors... and bear little if any real weight on a Federal level.

Great questions : I await the answers to these and look forward to seeing them.!

 

[shanagan]

When y'all get a chance, if you could also tell us what the outcome of these tests would be, that'd be just great. I mean, if you test for diacetyl (and it is confirmed beyond just FlavourArts diacetyl-disclosure) in the juice - then what?

 

[OgreLokon]

Welcome (well, soon anyway...) to AZ MistressNomad!! Lol the summers are gonna KILL you!

 

[Edwv30]

I posted this on another thread in your sub-forum David but want to make sure you see my questions.

I am curious...

- What is the name of the lab doing the testing? <---This is a BIGGIE for me!
- When will testing begin?
- Are the samples "blind" samples chosen from random batches?
- Is the lab a third party entity or do they have direct interest in FSUSA, (e.g. paid by FSUSA to do the testing)?

Thanks David!

 

[Jim211]

Thanks and congrats also, and thanks for taking the time for all the hard work

 

[Automaton]

Whoa, just got home and read through 7 pages of posts! Thank you everyone. And ab, behave. I'm totally watching you.

 

[ab357]

Sheesh. I was already out numbered. The rules state that I can only be smacked upside the head once a day... per associate.


I'm going to need more aspirin...

 

[dannoman]

Congrats MN...I want t know will you still call her Mistress Nomad around the office???

 

[Automaton]

Of course.

I can HEAR David rolling his eyes.

 

[Free2BMe]

Congrats, MN!

 

[mle]

Oh wow! Congrats Mistress on your new job.
This is kind of a big step for the vaping community, right? Have there been other studies like this done? What happens if the results indicate that an ingredient is harmful?

 

[Automaton]

Thank you mle. As far as we're aware, nothing like this has ever been done.

A lot of things factor into whether or not a given substance is harmful - dosage, form of exposure, etc. All of those things will be factored into risk analysis and we'll make decisions accordingly to minimize risk as much as we can.

If you want my personal opinion, I think in the next few years we will start seeing purpose-made vaping flavorings. And by "purpose-made" I don't mean "tobacco flavored." I mean purpose-made from the perspective of their chemical make-up. The entire vaping community is relying on flavorings that were never designed for that purpose, and we don't know enough about their safety when applied to that purpose, which is the reason we're putting them to the test.

It's hard to really predict what we'll find, since nothing like this has ever really been done.

 

[mle]

Sounds exciting, actually - no matter what the results. Best of luck to you guys!

 

[dannoman]

You know yur gonna dig no black ice in the winter...

Of course.

I can HEAR David rolling his eyes.

 

[Automaton]

No friggin snow, no black ice, no sub-zero temps... count me in. I took the job for the weather.

 

[dannoman]

Really wish you all the best for all of us concerned...

Thank you mle. As far as we're aware, nothing like this has ever been done.

A lot of things factor into whether or not a given substance is harmful - dosage, form of exposure, etc. All of those things will be factored into risk analysis and we'll make decisions accordingly to minimize risk as much as we can.

If you want my personal opinion, I think in the next few years we will start seeing purpose-made vaping flavorings. And by "purpose-made" I don't mean "tobacco flavored." I mean purpose-made from the perspective of their chemical make-up. The entire vaping community is relying on flavorings that were never designed for that purpose, and we don't know enough about their safety when applied to that purpose, which is the reason we're putting them to the test.

It's hard to really predict what we'll find, since nothing like this has ever really been done.