we wish to announce MistressNomad as our newest SA and head of our Research & Developement...

[mauisun]

all results will be made public on our own discussion board and our own website so we don't have to deal with others attitudes etc. we will have full disclousre along with certifications. Everyone will be able to read and wonload them and pass them throught the community. If any other dealers wish to join us financially in this endeavour we willingly invite them to do so. Our email address is very prominate and we will happily post the names of any dealers in this country who willingly help supply info on their products, or financial backing in this endeavour.
We have said already, the time to come clean for all dealers is now, we started with OSHA, we will end with the FDA and dealers inclusion in all of this. Or we will go it alone.
Happy Vaping folks

 

[Motorpsychle]

Congratulations MN, I think David and Pam made an excellent choice in selecting you.


David I'm glad to see you guys leading the way for the industry. I look forward to seeing the results as well.

 

[jj2]

This is awesome.
TY for taking the lead and congrats MN!

 

[chr1s234]

I assume that you will have validity to your testing? I.E. you will test the same flavors from both your competitors and yourself? I only ask because we all know most of the varying chemicals in vapes are due to the different flavors and not the base liquids. Will you be posting the results as such and listing the flavor that was tested (hopefully uniformly from vendor to vendor) and not just the brand?

 

[mauisun]

we are going to test everything we can get ahold of. and if any other vendor wishes to have their fluids tested we will do that. If vendors wish to help with the costs we are fine with that.
But Pamela and I are going to have our juices tested, and that of FlavourART, Lorann's and perfumers apprentices the leaders in this industry. That is over 30k out of pocket. If other vendors want to help financially with testing of their own jices they are free to send them to us. We are not a charity. We plan on proving who and what we are. The others can help if they wish or remain silent...

 

[chr1s234]

One more question. I am very interested in your findings as I believe we all are however, are you testing the actual liquid or the vapor produced from the liquid when vaped? Due to chemical reactions when heat is applied the substances will be very different after vaporization than in liquid form and, as such, can't yield conclusive findings when only the liquid is tested. Just a thought.

 

[Celebran]

Congratulations to all involved, David, Pam and MistressNomad.

 

[shanagan]

Congratulations and thank you for reversing your previous stance (I am assuming you will avoid using diacetyl-containing liquids based on this financial outlay - I mean, I don't think you'd test just to say "yes, it's there" and keep using it). Good on ya.

 

[Denrock316]

Wow this is a pretty big surprise. Congrats to FSUSA and Mistress. I wonder if this might possibly lead to some flavors being re-formulated? This is excellent news looking to make sure that the liquids are safe for long term use.

 

[firhill]

everything the other suppliers are hiding. and anything else that might be harmful. We are done with the whole this stuff might be harmful. We have been attacked outright by alot of people. We have come to the conclusion it is time to go on the offense.

This looks like you're painting all suppliers (but yourself) with the same brush, yet below you ask them to join you in funding this.
I sincerely hope that just because a supplier declines, it doesn't automatically make them less credible.

yes they will do spectro on every single ingredient in the liquids. It costs alot of money. It would have been nice if someone else would have done this along time ago. But it falls upon us to put all this to rest. I too, can't wait to post the results. I invite all the other dealers to join onboard along with this. I suspect they won't. Either way we will post everything as we belive we will have the finest juices anywhere and will do whatever it takes to make it so....

Kudos for taking the stand on posting the analysis on your own liquids, but shouldn't that be the extent of it?
It's a shame though, that from reading your posts, that your main goal seems to be outing the suppliers that don't get a pass mark on their liquid analysis.

 

[Chelseafn]

Well crap.....no more MI meets for MN. We will miss you!!! Congrats on the new endevour! Pam, Dave and CO are lucky to have you!

 

[Friend of Atlas]

First I'd like to offer a hearty congratulations to MN on your new job - you said you'd been working hard on something recently, now we know what it was!! Congrats to FSUSA for making a bold step in a transparent direction.

I'm not quite clear about a few things. One, when you say you will testing ALL suppliers are you referring to wholesale suppliers of e-liquid and flavoring or to the vendors that pre-mix liquid and have retail storefronts like yourselves, or both? Two, Chr1s234 has a good point; in that how far will the testing go? Does it end at the chemical analysis of the liquid alone? And lastly, what exactly will be the interaction with the FDA? I know most of our community doesn't trust the FDA to really represent our best interests - many see them as a lobbyist's tool. Will you be working in concert with FDA at all or just presenting your findings?

I hope you don't see this as an attack of any kind becasue it's not meant to be, I'm just curious to understand what exactly will be happening. Additionally, when I said 'will the testing end with the liquid alone' I am not trying to imply it's not enough. I realize this is a big expense and I applaud you for taking the steps to better your product. Too many companies in general are willing to let anything slip by as long as a consumer is willing to pay. The bottom line is not the only thing that makes a company profitable (metaphorically speaking of course ).

 

[mauisun]

firhill you don't see our point. we are not outing other dealers. We are inviting other dealers to come up to ur standards. This is our point. We ask them to do the same, but if they don't we aren't them. We are who we are. We are moving past all of the name calling period. We are a Company who is working hard to come up with every compliance the fda is going to expect of every dealer in the U.S. long before the come down like an anvil. period...
Anyone, as your post, who suggests that we are calling all the other dealers out, does us a disservice plain and simple. if others wish to join in, fine, If not, we are not going to discredit anyone. We are simply going to post credible results, from the finest labs available, on who has what.
The fda is not fooling around, they have already sent cease and decist orders. You all can bury your heads in the sand if you wish but we are not going to run and hide...

 

[DesertDweller]

Great news on both the hiring of MN, and the testing. Just more proof to me I've chosen the right company to do business with. The best of luck to you in these endeavors. I'm glad to support a local Arizona business, and even more happy with my decision now.

Now... about opening that lounge up in the Phoenix area...

 

[cobaltblue]

Mauisun, I can't wait to see the results! Who is the highly reputable Chem Lab you mentioned, and what are the professional qualifications of your new R & D consultant?

 

[Cookie278]

Grats guys.

 

[firhill]

we are not outing other dealers. ...... We are a Company who is working hard to come up with every compliance the fda is going to expect
.... we are not going to discredit anyone.

I think all of the above can only be good

We are simply going to post credible results, from the finest labs available, on who has what.

This, I'm not so sure about.

Let your own product (based on the test results) speak for itself.
I don't see the necessity to test others' liquids.
If, or when, the time comes, the FDA will deal with those suppliers appropriately.

 

[stressedOUT]

And also included in the "posting of findings" will rachael ray get a copy of these results?
I'm srry, I know she can be a good talk show host, but her episode with that little "dr." was ridiculous! Something needs to be shoved in their faces for them to suck on!
All honosty tho, I give all of you much credit, its a huge step and will not be easy. And I thank you very much for putting in the time and effort as well as $ to do this for everyone. I sure know I would love to know exactly what is in these liquids.
And congrats MN on the move up from youtube! I know you will help a lot in the future of vaping! Good luck to you all and thanks!

 

[asti]

Fantastic news for MistressNomad and you both, Dave and Pam!
Way beyond jealous of her getting to a nice, warm, dry state.... please use sunscreen, LOL!

I can't imagine the undertaking you are approaching upon, the best of luck, wishes and Blessings!
A tiny question I am curious about is the reaction from the suppliers like LorAnne, FlavorArt, et al ?

PS you better not find anything silly in Rocking Chair since thats my fav, LOL

 

[skydragon]

Congratulations MN and I also applaud FSUSA for taking this step. I would however also like to see an answer to this question. Thanks.

One more question. I am very interested in your findings as I believe we all are however, are you testing the actual liquid or the vapor produced from the liquid when vaped? Due to chemical reactions when heat is applied the substances will be very different after vaporization than in liquid form and, as such, can't yield conclusive findings when only the liquid is tested. Just a thought.