What are your Vaping etiquettes?

[Tommy-Chi]

The first and third link you posted, talk about a study on lung cancer only. From the first article :

The study doesn’t cover the many other ill effects of breathing somebody else’s cigarette smoke, of course, which include asthma and possibly cardio-pulmonary disease.

The other article you cited comes from a foundation with a certain political leaning ( hint, they are also very skeptical on climate change ). Now, i'm not going to dismiss the article solely based on that, but i will take it with a grain of salt. I won't pretend that their scientific and medical beliefs are not influenced by their ideology.

Mind you, i am not claiming that the dangers of second hand smoke have not been exaggerated in the past, based on political and ideological motivations, by groups from the other side of the political spectrum. I just want to point out that there is no unequivocal scientific consensus as some seem to imply on ECF. For every study claiming there are no ill effects from second hand smoke, you can find five others claiming otherwise.

I think smoking is dangerous, and I think second hand smoke may have some drawbacks too depending on levels.

When it comes to "Climate Change," you can be 100% sure that climate has been varying continuously on this rock and has been for billions of years. The ability to record climate change has not been ongoing accurately for even one thousand years, and all that we have are sediment and core samples to give us a clue. I'm not a skeptic regarding climate change, but I'd be skeptical if it didn't change. If it did not change, I doubt that a multitude of evolutionary periods would have taken place. Anyone waving their arms over climate change is hilarious because we do not know other than the Sun, which controls more than 90% of the climate, exactly what the climate was like for millions of years.

If you REALLY want to get all worried about the planet then worry about the volcanic areas known as super magma caldera, which if even one erupts could kill everything on the planet. Am I worried? No. I'm vaping...

 

[AzPlumber]

I only vape when I'm alone or with somebody.

 

[Robino1]

I only vape when I'm alone or with somebody.

Thanks for the giggle!

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Thanks for the giggle!

I would have come up with that too, but I'm schizoaffective, so I'm never alone.

 

[Mazinny]

I think smoking is dangerous, and I think second hand smoke may have some drawbacks too depending on levels.

When it comes to "Climate Change," you can be 100% sure that climate has been varying continuously on this rock and has been for billions of years. The ability to record climate change has not been ongoing accurately for even one thousand years, and all that we have are sediment and core samples to give us a clue. I'm not a skeptic regarding climate change, but I'd be skeptical if it didn't change. If it did not change, I doubt that a multitude of evolutionary periods would have taken place. Anyone waving their arms over climate change is hilarious because we do not know other than the Sun, which controls more than 90% of the climate, exactly what the climate was like for millions of years.

If you REALLY want to get all worried about the planet then worry about the volcanic areas known as super magma caldera, which if even one erupts could kill everything on the planet. Am I worried? No. I'm vaping...

On second hand smoke, agreed.

On climate change, i don't disagree with what you said in your first paragraph ( up to your concluding sentence ), but your argument is a red herring. I think you know full well i am talking about AGW, and not the natural, climate pattern shifts, over the millenia.

In any case, my point was that we should be careful not to base our understanding of scientific issues ( re smoking and vaping ), on statements from ideologues. Just as i don't rely on Rush Limbaugh ( or Al Gore for that matter ) for my understanding of AGW, i won't take the words of the Cato Institute as gospel, when it comes to smoking or vaping.

 

[Robino1]

It's hard for me to take a lot of 'professional' groups seriously. Too much conflicting information. I just know that I am healthier than when I smoked.

Let's try not to get into a debate over other issues that doesn't have to do with vaping. Passions run high and can get a bit.....testy.

 

[Vaperepav]

That's unfortunate, especially for someone in the industry.

Are Canadian laws that restrictive.. or are a lot of Canadians hostile to vaping?

Actually, it seems to more of an Alberta thing. Kind of frowned upon to be a smoker here.

Current Bylaws:
Smoking - FAQ

What is the law regarding smoking in public places?
Smoking is regulated under the Tobacco Reduction Act. This is an overview of these regulations, so please refer to the actual legislation for more detailed information. Original copies of the bylaw are available at the City Clerk's office.

As of January 1, 2008, the provincial Tobacco Reduction Act became law. The act prohibits smoking in public places and workplaces.

The regulation further:

• Establishes the distance (5 meters) in which smoking will be prohibited from a doorway, window or air intake (further than the previous Smoking Bylaw 57M92restriction of 3 meters).
• Establishes the requirements for signs listing tobacco products and prices.
• Authorizes inspectors to perform their duties as required and establish the responsibilities of inspectors in the performance of those duties.
• Exempts certain retailers such as tobacconists from the display and promotion provisions of the Act.
• Establishes requirements for those retailers to be exempt.

Is there a bylaw regulating electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes)?

E-cigarettes may not be used in public places where tobacco is currently prohibited.

One exception to the bylaw is that the sampling of e-cigarettes will be permitted in stand alone, enclosed retail vape shops. This exception does not include smoking e-cigarettes at kiosks located in malls or any other establishments, i.e. restaurants or bars.

Hope this helps!

 

[zoiDman]

The first and third link you posted, talk about a study on lung cancer only. From the first article :

The study doesn’t cover the many other ill effects of breathing somebody else’s cigarette smoke, of course, which include asthma and possibly cardio-pulmonary disease.

The other article you cited comes from a foundation with a certain political leaning ( hint, they are also very skeptical on climate change ). Now, i'm not going to dismiss the article solely based on that, but i will take it with a grain of salt. I won't pretend that their scientific and medical beliefs are not influenced by their ideology.

Mind you, i am not claiming that the dangers of second hand smoke have not been exaggerated in the past, based on political and ideological motivations, by groups from the other side of the political spectrum. I just want to point out that there is no unequivocal scientific consensus as some seem to imply on ECF. For every study claiming there are no ill effects from second hand smoke, you can find five others claiming otherwise.

When the average person is confronted with two "Studies" that have Opposing Results, the reader will generally Trust the conclusions that is most aligned with their Beliefs. Especially if conclusion yields an "Easier Road to Travel" for the reader.

This is Nothing New. And it is more Human Nature than anything. Policy and Agenda Promoters have known this from Day One. The concept of Countering a Study with a Study is a SOP.

One thing about 2nd Hand Smoke that you Don't see mentioned much is the Primary Danger lies not in what Smoker Exhales, but from the Smoke coming off a Burning Cigarette when Not being inhaled. Because that Smoke is Unfiltered by either the cigarettes filter or the Smokers Lungs.

Not saying that what a Smoker Exhales is good to Inhale. Far from it. But it is Much Less Harmful than the Smoke coming off a lit cigarette sitting in an ashtray. Or in a Smokers hand.

e-Cigarettes do Not emit Vapor when not being used. Something that I have Rarely seen mentioned when the concept of 2nd Hand Smoke is compared to Vaping. And something that would seem Very Important.

 

[pennysmalls]

I was a closet smoker. Only smoked in front of hubs and a few fellow smoking co-workers or in my car alone. I didn't want my kids to see or hear about it from someone else. I've carried that over with my vaping. Unless I'm in a vape shop I only vape alone or in front of hubs. My son (almost 19) vapes but has never seen me vape, I just can't do it. He knows though how passionate I am about it and I do give him advice on gear/batteries/liquid etc.

I would vape around smokers but I'm never in that situation now that I've changed jobs, no vaping or smoking on work/school property, though I will stealth vape in my car on work property. It would not be cool to vape in a school bus! So I can't complain about no vaping rules at my job. I do know of two other current co-workers who vape but I never see them outside of work so I'm not sure what they vape with or anything. My social circle is very small, no smokers or vapers. Oh, but I did recently come out of the closet at a rally at our state house and vaped in opposition to our lunatic state laws. Yeah me!

 

[tomitom12]

i live in california so i tend to follow california's smoking policy which states 15 ft of any operable window/door or curbside in areas where businesses are. I also live in an area where there's a lot of technicalities. Like at our main bus plaza there is no smoking/ vaping within the plaza but i can walk across the street and vape it up. All parks have a 15 ft vape zone around them now but parks with bbq pits i can vape around. Beaches and coastlines have a state ban, but i tend to park away from the coastline and vape in my car. Now i'm no saint i sometimes don't follow the law to the T and ill vape in park, beach, or forest but i make sure i'm well away from play areas, general public, and i'm in a clear well open area. Im finding that my local laws are putting a ban of in public vaping and easing the restrictions on vape shops so people can sample and vape. My city recently did this i'm not enthralled with them linking vaping with the current ca tobacco rules but it allows me to vape in the shop still so i don't care.

 

[BrownManVapes]

I vape at home, my car, I'm allowed to vape at work, vape shops. My local mall permits it but I don't see the need

 

[Steelgirl]

I vape at any restaurant that allows smoking, but I don't blow huge clouds. I don't want ppl staring at me. Having said that, my smoking pal Mel and I go to a Chillis about once a week. Eat at the bar area, and she smokes while I vape. Quite often a non-smoking patron will be at a booth close to ours and I can here them talking or even see them point ME out as the offensive person spilling nasty smelling smoke near them. But it's Mel that smoking. Just can't see it as easily as you can my vape. Guess I can't win for losing

 

[rhm3769]

Just to avoid the hassle, if I can't smoke inside, I'm not going to vape inside.... If it's posted outside, depends on where it is, what specifically is posted, if I can rationalize the reason and if it is enforceable....
Recently went to an outdoor festival with alot of running vehicles and generators but one sign posted heading in, no tobacco, smokeless or not, and no vaping, but the parking lot was a makeshift lot and it was fine.... No event staff anywhere except the parking staff, and no "security" anywhere....
I walked around a bit, stealth vaped the rest of the time there after seeing a few others....
No smoking made sense, especially that day, since some people weren't taught how not to throw things on the ground, but adding in all tobacco and vaping, it gives the impression the problem is with nicotine and I tend to have problems with that.... If there's no visible exhale, how can you prove someone was vaping,....
I'm not going to exhale towards someone or near them depending on position and wind direction, but they're going to see me vape if there is no legitimate reason I can't....

 

[skoony]

The ongoing debate concerning whether or not second hand smoke
is one that will no doubt continue for quite some time. One can have
a battle of studies until as they say the cows come home.
For me personally it's not any study done by one side or the other
that has influenced my opinion on the mater but, what hasn't been
done if the figures estimating 40 to 60 thousand second hand smoke
related deaths per year are even remotely true. I ask myself,if in fact
these figures are true why hasn't there been any criminal wrongful
death prosecutions of any offenders. Not even reckless endangerment.
Why hasn't a coroner (most likely in California) signed his report,"Mrs
Jones died of homicide as the result of her husbands 30 year smoking
habit that caused her COPD"? Where are all the outraged Doctors complaints
to the child protective agencies accusing Mary of causing her child's severe
asthma? I suspect there hasn't been any of this sort of activity because
the evidence wouldn't hold up in a criminal court. I freely admit in civil
court all bets are off. Even so the recent jailing of that CEO? from the
peanut butter factory may lead down the road to all sorts of things.
Do I believe smoking is safe? Of course not. Do I believe second hand
smoke is killing 40 to 60 thousand people a year roughly 4 to 6 thousand
of these children? Quite frankly no. Like the extract in this article states
lacking no clear link to lung cancer we have have to find other risk factors.
"The fact that passive smoking may not be strongly associated with lung cancer points to a need to find other risk factors for the disease [in nonsmokers],” said Ange Wang,
No Clear Link Between Passive Smoking and Lung Cancer


Regards
Mike

 

[HazyShades]

It's hard for me to take a lot of 'professional' groups seriously. Too much conflicting information. I just know that I am healthier than when I smoked.

Let's try not to get into a debate over other issues that doesn't have to do with vaping. Passions run high and can get a bit.....testy.

Can you direct me to the testy area, please?
I'm having withdrawls from hostile nonsense
which in the end doesn't mean jack or jill.

 

[HazyShades]

I vape wherever smoking is allowed in public, in my vehicle and my wife's,
at home, and at friend's who allow it in their home.

I never vape where it might have adverse effects on sick and or elderly people
regardless of what any studies say about second hand vapor, out of consideration for others
preferences. I never blow vapor on anybody unless they ask me to..

I have caught myself absentmindedly vaping while walking through Walmart or Home Depot
only because I slip the mod in my back pocket and I run around on auto-pilot...but I don't do it on purpose.

Now since this is about etiquette..I don't keep my left hand under the table
and at least one elbow is usually on the desk when I vape...But I vape with my mouth closed
and never talk while I hold the vapor in...

edit: The pinky stays on the mod...

 

[Asmo6]

I vape where I want. If I'm in an area where it might be frowned upon, or is outright prohibited then I hold that hit like a champion until almost nothing comes out. I don't blow clouds at people, or in areas where people will notice. I use small devices and juices that aren't super cloud producing. I have converted every single co-worker here into a vaper. Some of them still smoke here and there, but they all vape at work now and we all duck into the back and nuke it all day long. It is not outright prohibited in our WP. But with everyone on board it is a discussion we never have to have with anyone.

From a company perspective the need for people to step out has dropped to almost zero. From our perspective it is much more convenient.

If I am outside I will do as I choose, as - I'm outside. If you don't like it, boo hoo.

Not one person has ever said anything to me directly about my vaping habits, ever. So I must be discreet enough to not be rustling many feathers. If they did my response would be, I smoked for 20y+. I feel better. I'm not hurting anyone around me. GFYIT. And then I'd smile and walk away.

If I'm vaping something like Nillionaire raspberry I do get people following me around like I'm Peter Piper trying to figure out where it's coming from and tell me it's amazzzzzzing. Which usually just gets an IKR? And that's it.

 

[Munk]

Do I believe smoking is safe? Of course not. Do I believe second hand
smoke is killing 40 to 60 thousand people a year roughly 4 to 6 thousand
of these children? Quite frankly no. Like the extract in this article states
lacking no clear link to lung cancer we have have to find other risk factors.
"The fact that passive smoking may not be strongly associated with lung cancer points to a need to find other risk factors for the disease [in nonsmokers],” said Ange Wang,
No Clear Link Between Passive Smoking and Lung Cancer


Regards
Mike

Lung cancer only accounts for a fraction of the claimed deaths due to first-hand and second-hand smoke (approximately 7,000 of the 40,000 total deaths according to the CDC). The other ~33,000 is due to heart disease, which your study makes no claim against. As such, you can't really use that study to rule out "danger" as a whole when it didn't even look at the biggest cause of smoking related deaths.

 

[skoony]

Lung cancer only accounts for a fraction of the claimed deaths due to first-hand and second-hand smoke (approximately 7,000 of the 40,000 total deaths according to the CDC). The other ~33,000 is due to heart disease, which your study makes no claim against. As such, you can't really use that study to rule out "danger" as a whole when it didn't even look at the biggest cause of smoking related deaths.

and that biggest cause is?
regards,
Mike

 

[ElevenEleven]

I blow my clouds right in people's faces. They love it.