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Is There such a thing as Proper Vaping Etiquette ?
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Or by then, from those who raised us.
The only reason I did not like the word "fumes", is just because it is typical ANTZ misinformation. Just like when they tell people about the "smoke" coming from an e-cigarette. Scaremongering lies to make uninformed people believe they're just as bad as smoking.
Another ANTZ misconception is this "right" to clean air, EVERYWERE they decide to go.
Would a vegetarian walk into a stake house, and then start rambling about the "disgusting" smell of roasted beef? No.
Would vegetarians demand for laws that would make EVERY restaurant a vegan one, so that they can roam everywere they please without being disturbed by said smell? No.
"your rights end where the other guys begins", you stated. Fine. Would can't non-smokers and anti-vapers rights END where the rights of property owners begin?
Why should property owners be forced to abide by draconian laws, demanded by "non-smokers' rights", against his will and his own business model, just to accomodate for people that are NOT supporting his business, anyway?
" While I'd much rather be subjected to someones vaping as someone else's smoking, in a perfect world I'd rather not have to deal with either". In a perfect world, you would NOT have to deal with either. You would only need to choose a restaurant/bar where the owner, and no-one else, has decided to ban vaping and smoking, for the sake of his own business. On the other hand, smokers and vapers would be left at peace, with no-one complaining about "fumes" - either from a cigarette, or from an e-cig.
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You know, I agree with you. You are right.
Unfortunately it makes little difference. Most owners will ban vaping anyway - vapers are a small minority, so they will try to satisfy an anti-vaping majority. From the other hand we may have a small number of vaping friendly bars, oriented mostly on vapers...
I wasn't talking about banning anything, all I was trying to say was be nice and respect the other person.
Some people are just always looking for a fight and usually the subject is immaterial.
Some people are just always looking for a fight and usually the subject is immaterial.
Quite. It depends on what kind of business you have. In a "family oriented" business (a restaurant, for example), I can see that happening, of course. Because in those circunstances, there are maybe only 20% of smokers, just like in the "general" population.
On the other hand, we all have heard about what happened to pubs in England, after 2007. Smokers mostly stopped going there, because they were forced to smoke outside, in the cold and the snow. Non-smokers never appeared to replace those people, and now that they had pubs "their way". Owners were told that "everything will be allright, bacause 80% of people are non-smokers, and the "only" reason they do not go to pubs is bacause of the smoke". It was all a fallacy, of course. Most non-smokers do not go to bars or pubs because they do not feel inclined to do so. And closure rates of pubs skyrocketed because of the draconic demands of people who never went there, anyway. And in the process, they ruined those places for those who were supporting those businesses with their wallets. That's why I firmly believe owners should get a saying on this matter.
Sometimes after work I like to have a beer at some bar or coffe shop. And what I see, is that smokers in there vastly outnumber non-smokers. (Non-smokers are probably the ones who are jogging in the street at that same time). It's probably just a "lifestyle" thing, but it does happen. Owners should not be forced to comply with the demands of people who are running outside, instead of spending their cash inside.
In Portugal, if your total area is less than 100 square meters, it's not possible to have separated areas. So, owners must choose between a non-smoking only, or smoking friendly place. But here's the catch: by choosing a smoking venue, you must spend some money installing air filtration equipment.
When the tobacco law was passed, many small venues started as non-smoking (to save that money), but shortly after, became smoker-friendly. Even bigger establishments, where it is possible to have separated areas, decided to invest in a separate smoking area. Even without being required to do so by law.
Obviously, there was a reason for that: revenue loss far exceeded those initial savings. Fortunately, Portuguese business owners are allowed to choose how to run their own businesses (It's them who have the bills to pay at the end of the month, after all). Otherwise, it would be "pubs in England" all over again.
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after being kicked to the curb when i was smoking i am not
about to get bounced back again. its time for the majority
to get used to the fact they wont have a sub set of humanity
to push around anymore.
the balls on their side of the field.
regards
mike
As with all threads like this, it can be boiled down to two sentences...
1) Don't be a jerk
2) Don't let them treat vaping the same as smoking
If anyone needs any clarification on either sentence, let me know.
1) Don't be a jerk
2) Don't let them treat vaping the same as smoking
If anyone needs any clarification on either sentence, let me know.
This sounds like myself. I will vape in the waiting room at a mental
health therapy site, but only if it is not crowded. I have vaped in
seeing the mental health therapist.
I vape in the asilse of 'dollar' stores, have vaped in Kroger aisles.
Not vaped in Wally World yet, not had a chance and not too concerned if
I don't get one soon.
I look at eating places to see if they specify no vaping as well as
no smoking. If they do not I might ask a server, or may not and vape
anyway. If asked I'll put it away.
Think generally speaking Bill and Ted had it right.
"Be excellent to one another."
To me that means I am diligent in trying to not be rude to others.
Although there are times when being rude to others is well, an act of
assertion, or saying, "I'm not putting up with your rudeness to me. Jog
on! Thanks." And sometimes being rude to others is an acceptable comedic
art, yet one needs to discern these carefully.
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Fair enough. But you were also talking about being "forced" to inhale e-cigarette "fumes" in enclosed spaces - the ONLY reason why you would be forced to do so, is because you are sitting in a place where the owner allows vaping, is it not? Otherwise, the "fume" emitting person would be asked to stop.
The "other person" who also deserves respect, is the business owner who is trying to make a living. The fellow vaper, who is vaping where he has been allowed to do so, should also deserve some respect.
By all means, even a smoker deserves respect, if he is smoking in a smoking-friendly venue...! I have heard this "right to clean air" before, coming from non-smokers - in places where smoking was allowed!
You do not have to be forced to be around second-hand vapour - simlpy choose a place to go, where vaping and smoking are not allowed. But what I cannot see, is how someone is "respecting" other, by complaining about what others are doing - when they were allowed to do so.
As with all threads like this, it can be boiled down to two sentences...
1) Don't be a jerk
2) Don't let them treat vaping the same as smoking
If anyone needs any clarification on either sentence, let me know.
*nodding in agreement* Seems fairly clear in my perception of things as well.
All kinds of discussion for both sides of the situation on the smoking issue.
Now, all kinds of discussion for both sides of the situation on the vaping issue.
An awful lot of turmoil over something easily solvable with 3 simple signs, but then again, government never does anything simple:
Smoking/vaping is prohibited in this entire establishment.
Smoking/vaping in designated areas only.
Smoking/vaping is allowed in this entire establishment.
Business owners pick the sign of their choosing and post it on every entrance door.
Prospective customers get to "pick a door".
Issue solved and closed.
Now, all kinds of discussion for both sides of the situation on the vaping issue.
An awful lot of turmoil over something easily solvable with 3 simple signs, but then again, government never does anything simple:
Smoking/vaping is prohibited in this entire establishment.
Smoking/vaping in designated areas only.
Smoking/vaping is allowed in this entire establishment.
Business owners pick the sign of their choosing and post it on every entrance door.
Prospective customers get to "pick a door".
Issue solved and closed.
We learned everything we ever really needed to know in kindergarten....
then that explains why I need a nap at work
I agree^^^.... reminds be of Borboun St in New Orleans.... if the undressed girls dancing on the stage in the bar you just walked into offends, there is another bar just down the street....
So, now that we know where you take your lunch breaks....
If the bar with undressed dancing girls on stage put up a sign that reads "NO Vaping Allowed", would you still spend your money there ?
nope.... and unfortunately New Orleans just passed a law that excludes smoking/vaping in bars just reciently... now I have no where to go eat lunch
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Thank goodness that hasn't happened, cause nope I wouldn't. Then again you can still smoke in there but vaping draws more of a "crowd".
Since there are no laws as far as I'm aware against it, I'll vape indoors somewhere like a grocery store unless someone asks me to stop in which case I will. In someone's house I'll ask them first. In my car I'll do what I want and if the wind blows a cloud out of my open window into yours and you don't like it, close your window.
except in Minneapolis when the bar owners complained because the bars
that allowed it took away their business big time.
mike
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