Is There such a thing as Proper Vaping Etiquette ?

[jpargana]

Speaking as both a former smoker AND a former vaper, I can assure you that being in an enclosed space (such as a bar or restaurant) and forced to breath in your fumes, while certainly a much better experience than if it were cigarette smoke, is still usually not a very pleasant experience.

When I was active here my attitude was always "your rights end where the other guys begins", and it still is.

As an ex-vaper, you should know already that there are no "fumes" coming out of an e-cig. Unless something was really wrong with your devices...


As for "forced to breath"... well... nobody would be "forced" to anything, if only property owners could have the RIGHT to be left alone to run their own business as they see fit. If they have a great number of vaping, or smoking costumers, they should allow those if they wished to.

A simple sign at the door would inform people that vaping (or even smoking) IS allowed inside. That way, noboby would be "forced to inhale" anything they did not want to.

My concern is about owners being "forced to run their business" in a way they would NOT choose in the first place. And all that so that people inside would not be "forced to breath" nasty e-cigarette "fumes", in places those people are NOT "forced to go" in the first place.

 

[OlderNDirt]

As you can see, first we have to agree on what good vaping etiquette is

Based on what I have read in this thread, there are many vapers (supposedly) that agree vaping should be regulated and controlled at the same level as smoking. If you don't like the smell of strawberries in a restaurant, don't eat there. If you don't like slimy apples in the grocery store, find one without slimy apples, apples that have been handled by God only knows who. What is so wrong with a business owner being allowed to determine his/her own model, or should I say the "no soup for you" plan. I guess in this day and age, most think "the soup Nazi" should not only have his business closed, but he should do hard time.

Sorry, but it frustrates me when "etiquette" becomes synonymous with "regulated", be it self of government.

 

[HauntedMyst]

As an ex-vaper, you should know already that there are no "fumes" coming out of an e-cig. Unless something was really wrong with your devices...


My concern is about owners being "forced to run their business" in a way they would NOT choose in the first place. And all that so that people inside would not be "forced to breath" nasty e-cigarette "fumes", in places those people are NOT "forced to go" in the first place.

I agree with this on the smaller shops but corporate run business will almost always tow the health insurance/regulation line. If given the opportunity, Target wouldn't suddenly allow open vaping in their stores. Also, while there aren't fumes, there are smells. People go to a restaurant for their "food", not someone elses cloud and vape smell. Most successful restaurant business owners understand that and wouldn't want vaping in the general area. We need to go back to the days when restaurants had smoking and non smoking sections. And vaping should be included in the smoking section.

Based on what I have read in this thread, there are many vapers (supposedly) that agree vaping should be regulated and controlled at the same level as smoking.....What is so wrong with a business owner being allowed to determine his/her own model, or should I say the "no soup for you" plan. I guess in this day and age, most think "the soup Nazi" should not only have his business closed, but he should do hard time.

I would guess I'd fall under this category except that I think vaping has all the regulations it needs right now. No nicotine sales to people under 18. Unfortunately lots of people can't understand the concept of just because technically they can do a thing, doesn't mean they should. I "can" put on a speedo and one of my wifes tight tank tops and go grocery shopping and I'm not breaking any laws but it doesn't mean I "should." It may be my right to do so but that doesn't mean other people want to shop or eat around me while I am doing so. I'm confused about the soup nazi (one of the best episodes every) model. Should we go back to the good old days of discrimination and that if the soup nazi wanted to put up a sign that said "No Jews Allowed" then that should be ok? Or are you just limiting it to the model that if people want vaping in their business then that should be ok? Or should we just cut out all regulations and allow the soup nazi to let sewer rats swim in his soup and add that special flavoring only sewer rats can provide? Yeah, let's do that! Hey, if people don't want rat crap in their food, they can eat elsewhere!

 

[WattWick]

Based on what I have read in this thread, there are many vapers (supposedly) that agree vaping should be regulated and controlled at the same level as smoking. If you don't like the smell of strawberries in a restaurant, don't eat there. If you don't like slimy apples in the grocery store, find one without slimy apples, apples that have been handled by God only knows who. What is so wrong with a business owner being allowed to determine his/her own model, or should I say the "no soup for you" plan. I guess in this day and age, most think "the soup Nazi" should not only have his business closed, but he should do hard time.

Sorry, but it frustrates me when "etiquette" becomes synonymous with "regulated", be it self of government.

Yep I brought up slimy apples. Which is sort of ridiculous, I know. But I expected most people who read it to see it for what it was: hyperbole.

Easy living 101: Politeness is not for other peoples sake.

 

[NasonV2]

I pretty much Vape in the same places I smoked when I did, I might take a quick puff in a store or at work if no one is around, but that is rare. I don't Vape in Businesses either, Unless it's a Vape Shop or Something.. I try not to push my hobby on anyone if I'm at their homes or whatever. Will go outside unless they say I don't need to, usually don't even bother asking, only if they offer.

 

[OlderNDirt]

I would guess I'd fall under this category except that I think vaping has all the regulations it needs right now. No nicotine sales to people under 18. Unfortunately lots of people can't understand the concept of just because technically they can do a thing, doesn't mean they should. I "can" put on a speedo and one of my wifes tight tank tops and go grocery shopping and I'm not breaking any laws but it doesn't mean I "should." It may be my right to do so but that doesn't mean other people want to shop or eat around me while I am doing so. I'm confused about the soup nazi (one of the best episodes every) model. Should we go back to the good old days of discrimination and that if the soup nazi wanted to put up a sign that said "No Jews Allowed" then that should be ok? Or are you just limiting it to the model that if people want vaping in their business then that should be ok? Or should we just cut out all regulations and allow the soup nazi to let sewer rats swim in his soup and add that special flavoring only sewer rats can provide? Yeah, let's do that! Hey, if people don't want rat crap in their food, they can eat elsewhere!

I guess if you want to take the "soup Nazi" comment to the level of discriminating against Jews, sewer rats, and the elimination of health regulations, that would be your interpretation of my comments and not my intent. Hopefully government will regulate when and where you can wear a speedo.

 

[James Wilson]

As an ex-vaper, you should know already that there are no "fumes" coming out of an e-cig. Unless something was really wrong with your devices...


As for "forced to breath"... well... nobody would be "forced" to anything, if only property owners could have the RIGHT to be left alone to run their own business as they see fit. If they have a great number of vaping, or smoking costumers, they should allow those if they wished to.

A simple sign at the door would inform people that vaping (or even smoking) IS allowed inside. That way, noboby would be "forced to inhale" anything they did not want to.

My concern is about owners being "forced to run their business" in a way they would NOT choose in the first place. And all that so that people inside would not be "forced to breath" nasty e-cigarette "fumes", in places those people are NOT "forced to go" in the first place.

I have to say I agree with you. It should be up to the owner of the business what is allowed and what isn't. In Indianapolis, IN when they passed the smoking ban on bars,. which included e-cigs, it hurt the business of a lot of bars. I think some even went under and had to close. I can understand in some places and even sorta understand on cigarettes themselves. I do think it should be up to the owners though. The air quality alone in some cities are worse to breathe in then even analogs. Especially for those who live closer to the interstates/highways.

What I hate is how vaporizers are being put into the same category as cigarettes. They should not be. I agree on not selling to minors. I could even deal with taxes though not the ones they are wanting. I am talking about just requiring them to have a sales tax like a lot of normal products do. I doubt anyone would argue much over that and it is reasonable. They should not be grouped in with cigarettes though. Same goes on bans. Let the owners of the places decide if someone can vape there or not.

As for where I vape. I will vape anywhere outdoors. There is no reasonable reason to not allow vaping at outdoor places. As long as a person isn't blowing clouds into people's faces and stuff they should be fine. As for indoors, it just depends on the place. If they don't allow smoking I usually won't vape. Though I will stealth vape in restrooms. If no one is in there like at a Dairy Queen yesterday I will just let out the clouds and enjoying myself. Now on Valentine's Day me and my girl stayed in a hotel. I vaped all I wanted in there. Indiana state law forbids people from smoking or vaping in hotels. But most hotels aren't going to ..... about people vaping in their room. Most won't even notice. Others just think your using an air-freshener Then there are some who are just understanding people who know that it isn't bad. Another place I occasionally vape indoors is at the movies. Though I stealth vape. It can be hard to sit through a long movie without any nicotine. So I do need the occasional vape. . Nobody around me ever notices. Even my GF doesn't notice unless I point it out to her. Then she scolds me lol

 

[PapawBrett]

WHOA ! Did I open a can or worms ?!?
Several comments have been on Freedom and Rights. Might I add my opinions here....

Freedom is not a Possession. It is not My Freedom, or Your Freedom. The moment you treat Freedom like a personal possession, someone of supposed authority will try to take it away. Example ; the Right to Privacy. After the Acts of War committed against the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, than President Bush began authorizing (with Congressional Approval) Data Monitoring Systems. To "Go Get 'Em", and "Let's Roll !".President Bush's political advisories cried and wailed that it was 'Unconstitutional !' and a "Violation of Our Rights to Privacy !". Then, when Bush was replaced with his advisories, in the form of President Obama, those who cried the loudest began to purposely use those same "Homeland Security" protocols against the American Public to gather personal information. Both Parties were guilty. Those who wield Power will always seek more Power.
What now of the "Right to Privacy" ?
Freedom is a Shared Ideal. Based on the belief that ; Bestowed Upon All Men is Natural Yearning for Freedom. Freedom in not a possession, but a shared principle. WE must all protect one another's Rights, or none of us can truly be free. The ONLY limitation on Freedom is if it Causes Harm to another.
Do I support the NRA ? No, but I believe in their Right to Assemble, and pursue their beliefs as long as they are not harming another.
Do I support the NAACP ? No, but I believe in their Right to assemble and pursue their beliefs as well, as long as no one in 'Harmed'.
Many times people cry for "their" Rights, or Define "their" Freedom. But are they doing so at the expense of another, and eventually themselves ?
Those who Wield Power will always Seek More Power. Only United can we stand against those who would seek to limit Our Freedom.

"If You would Cry for Your Freedom, will You Stand for the Freedom of Another ?"

 

[gthompson]

I smoked for 38 years and vaped for 3 years, so please don't try to treat me like some rookie. You don't like that I used the word "fumes", fine, but you know where I'm going. I'm living clean now and I love it, but I'm NOT trying to rub anyone's nose in it. I'm just expressing the opinion of someone who has lived on all three sides of this fence.

Make no mistake, I'm a huge fan of e-cigs. Vaping has probably added years to my life. While I'd much rather be subjected to someones vaping as someone else's smoking, in a perfect world I'd rather not have to deal with either.

I also realize this is far from a perfect world.

All I'm saying is try to have some respect for the other guy. None of us live in a vacuum.

 

[caramel]

In a world where due to societal reasons people act on a competitive basis limited only by the "whatever you can get away with" rule, it would be a disadvantage to observe any additional rules.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I wonder if .... burps were visable... someone would try to ban that too ...

 

[PapawBrett]

I wonder if .... burps were visable... someone would try to ban that too ...

Leave it to BK to put a different point of view in the discussion.......

 

[Bunnykiller]

seriously... no more crop dusting in isle 7

 

[skoony]

I smoked for 38 years and vaped for 3 years, so please don't try to treat me like some rookie. You don't like that I used the word "fumes", fine, but you know where I'm going. I'm living clean now and I love it, but I'm NOT trying to rub anyone's nose in it. I'm just expressing the opinion of someone who has lived on all three sides of this fence.

Make no mistake, I'm a huge fan of e-cigs. Vaping has probably added years to my life. While I'd much rather be subjected to someones vaping as someone else's smoking, in a perfect world I'd rather not have to deal with either.

I also realize this is far from a perfect world.

All I'm saying is try to have some respect for the other guy. None of us live in a vacuum.

after being kicked to the curb when i was smoking i am not
about to get bounced back again. its time for the majority
to get used to the fact they wont have a sub set of humanity
to push around anymore.
the balls on their side of the field.

regards
mike

 

[gpjoe]

I vape anywhere it is legal to do so. Simple.

As with any other behavior, if it is bothering someone - I'm more than willing to talk, as long as you don't assume I am a smoker. If you're misinformed and merely want me to stop "smoking" or force me out to the "smoking" area, well then we are going to have a polite disagreement.

 

[Light Seeker]

Was at a bar where some twit was obnoxiously blowing clouds, since we were shoulder to shoulder was right in my face. Politely asked him to blow the other way. He then proceeded to school me on how vaping is just moisture, no harmful chemicals, blah blah blah. After listening to his tripe for 5 minutes, unpocketed my mod & blew a huge cloud in his face, asking how he likes it. Look on his face..... Priceless

 

[Bunnykiller]

Was at a bar where some twit was obnoxiously blowing clouds, since we were shoulder to shoulder was right in my face. Politely asked him to blow the other way. He then proceeded to school me on how vaping is just moisture, no harmful chemicals, blah blah blah. After listening to his tripe for 5 minutes, unpocketed my mod & blew a huge cloud in his face, asking how he likes it. Look on his face..... Priceless

I believe I would have told him " its not the vapor Im concerned about... its your breath..."

 

[PapawBrett]

Was at a bar where some twit was obnoxiously blowing clouds, since we were shoulder to shoulder was right in my face. Politely asked him to blow the other way. He then proceeded to school me on how vaping is just moisture, no harmful chemicals, blah blah blah. After listening to his tripe for 5 minutes, unpocketed my mod & blew a huge cloud in his face, asking how he likes it. Look on his face..... Priceless

That's why I asked about "Proper Vaping Etiquette". In all of the examples I offered in the O.P., I was away from others. But if I am standing right directly in the presence of other people, I can wait until I am not. Even when I am outside, I turn to exhale.
It sounds to me like the person you met could review this thread, or the ECF in general.

 

[Bunnykiller]

so I suppose etiquette boils down to dont do to others that you dont want done to you...

 

[gthompson]

so I suppose etiquette boils down to dont do to others that you dont want done to you...

We learned everything we ever really needed to know in kindergarten....