What exactly is an Advanced Vaper?
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Now I want to meet Oprah.Oprah sais everybody gets a trophy! Everybody is a winner! In the end, it's a small bit of wire heating a wick with some e-liquid containing nicotine. It's really funny how invested we are in the process.
I feel like I'm missing the point.
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I don't see folks around here calling themselves advanced vapers. I do see the term on vape shop site warnings and I'm good with that.
Being advanced at anything is not about how long someone has been doing an activity or how much gear they have. It's a knowledge and experience thing.
For example, an advanced driver may understand how understeer and oversteer work and be experienced enough with these phenomena to be able to avoid an accident on a slippery road. An advanced photographer may understand how lens aperture affects a picture and be experienced enough to use that knowledge to create the picture they want. I have no idea where average ends and advanced starts, but I generally know the difference between them when I see it
Not quite sure what the premise was for the OP to start this, but it's been an interesting read.
I walked away a bit to try and think of a thoughtful way to post.
When mechanical's first came out they weren't this big scary thing they are now. They were a true God send! We had something that would work longer than 20-30min and life was pretty good! Everyone was using off the shelf cartomizers, around 2-2.5 ohms, no problems at all. Then people started pushing things, as people do, they would stack two 3.7v batteries to get a better hit, manufactures started making lower ohm carto's, and mods started blowing up.
Then came the Genesis style atties, of course people had to push them, and the batteries blew up.
Then came the sub-ohm craze and cloud chasers and it got flat scary for a while!
Many of us spent countless hours in the new members section trying to keep new vapors from blowing themselves up because they wanted to duplicate what they saw some idiot on Youtube do! Myself, and several others were approached by the moderation team here to create a battery safety area, I'm not sure what happened with it, but I see Badittude has created several blogs on the topic for us to refer to.
It pains me to see we are coming full circle again with stacking batteries, the "Noisy cricket" being a prime example. Sure, it can be done somewhat safely, but it takes a lot of diligence and pushing these batteries at the limits already, just makes it that much easier for something to go wrong. There are a LOT of very good reasons there is so much information and concern expressed about battery safety. When it goes wrong it goes fast and it's normally bad!
I spent a lot of time learning batteries. I spent a lot of time with mechs. I spent a lot of time with rebuldable's. I don't feel it makes me superior to anyone, in fact I'm having to learn a lot over again after taking some time of for health reasons. Most of the other knowledgeable and "veteran vapers" (is that better?) seem pretty eager to share their knowledge with anyone and are eager to help solve a problem.
I think "Advanced" means you understand the batteries you have, and know their limits, have a good understanding of Ohm's law and have the means to build, then test, your build to make sure you are within those limits and accept the responsibility of what you are doing.
Is that better?
I walked away a bit to try and think of a thoughtful way to post.
When mechanical's first came out they weren't this big scary thing they are now. They were a true God send! We had something that would work longer than 20-30min and life was pretty good! Everyone was using off the shelf cartomizers, around 2-2.5 ohms, no problems at all. Then people started pushing things, as people do, they would stack two 3.7v batteries to get a better hit, manufactures started making lower ohm carto's, and mods started blowing up.
Then came the Genesis style atties, of course people had to push them, and the batteries blew up.
Then came the sub-ohm craze and cloud chasers and it got flat scary for a while!
Many of us spent countless hours in the new members section trying to keep new vapors from blowing themselves up because they wanted to duplicate what they saw some idiot on Youtube do! Myself, and several others were approached by the moderation team here to create a battery safety area, I'm not sure what happened with it, but I see Badittude has created several blogs on the topic for us to refer to.
It pains me to see we are coming full circle again with stacking batteries, the "Noisy cricket" being a prime example. Sure, it can be done somewhat safely, but it takes a lot of diligence and pushing these batteries at the limits already, just makes it that much easier for something to go wrong. There are a LOT of very good reasons there is so much information and concern expressed about battery safety. When it goes wrong it goes fast and it's normally bad!
I spent a lot of time learning batteries. I spent a lot of time with mechs. I spent a lot of time with rebuldable's. I don't feel it makes me superior to anyone, in fact I'm having to learn a lot over again after taking some time of for health reasons. Most of the other knowledgeable and "veteran vapers" (is that better?) seem pretty eager to share their knowledge with anyone and are eager to help solve a problem.
I think "Advanced" means you understand the batteries you have, and know their limits, have a good understanding of Ohm's law and have the means to build, then test, your build to make sure you are within those limits and accept the responsibility of what you are doing.
Is that better?
An advanced driver might know in a tractor trailer you don't drive at the vehicles top speed in case of a steer tire blowout.I don't see folks around here calling themselves advanced vapers. I do see the term on vape shop site warnings and I'm good with that.
Being advanced at anything is not about how long someone has been doing an activity or how much gear they have. It's a knowledge and experience thing.
For example, an advanced driver may understand how understeer and oversteer work and be experienced enough with these phenomena to be able to avoid an accident on a slippery road. An advanced photographer may understand how lens aperture affects a picture and be experienced enough to use that knowledge to create the picture they want. I have no idea where average ends and advanced starts, but I generally know the difference between them when I see it
If a steer tire blows out the vehicle likely will want to pull to one side which could cause an overturn which may be a deadly event not only for the driver, but up to and maybe over 4 lanes of traffic that the truck may block or barrel down uncontrolled.
It's prudent to allow some acceleration to alleviate some of the weight on the remaining steer tire until the driver can regain control.
The same with battery current limits, hybrid top caps with direct contact, flush positive atty contacts, etc. ...
If you don't know the gear, how it works, what the dangers are, how to avoid them, etc., you're simply unprepared for advanced gear and dangerous to yourself and others around you.
Doesn't make someone who is prepared "advanced". Just properly concerned and educated for the sake of safety.
I support your post.
Tapatyped
No
At that point most battery failures were abused ego batteries exploding on their chargers.
Probably still are. Just not as sensational as "those damn kids".
Tapatyped
Well, as luck would have it, here is a prime example of to what I was referring to! Need help to understand dripping with box mod
Yes, there was a lot of that going on for a while also, people using the wrong chargers in the house, but mostly in the car for some reason?
That's actually a large part of the subject matter in this thread.
And unfortunately there will always be an active, recent example to refer to as long as this site is active.
I'm just glad the membership here has evolved enough that that member is getting some good advice from knowledgeable individuals instead of the assumptions, ridiculous conjecture and "you'll blow your face off" comments of the not so distant past.
Tapatyped
*Vaper Vapor is what we create, we are vapers.
anyways, someone with not only in depth knowledge of how vaping works but also a profound understanding of how and why it works...
PG/VG ratios for different situations, different wicking materials, coil size, wicking hole size, viscosity and their advantages/disadvantages.
Ohm's law applications, understanding voltage, wattage, amp draw at different resistances but also know generally what ohm a coil will be even before you stick it on a ohm reader without the help of lets say steam engine......
A really good understanding of all devices, hybrids including fake hybrids, mech's the ins and outs of not only RDA's but all tanks/mods..
Battery safety, knowing their batteries very well, amp limits, charging rates, monitoring of usage cycles, the importance of cases, knowing the minimum voltage, when using a mech being able to sense when the battery is near its minimum voltage....
Most advanced vapers I know will research the crap out of just about anything and everything they buy before they consider buying it, weigh the pro's and con's then decide whether or not it will suit them, it's not always just about the clouds....
I could go on but that covers the basic stuff.... Being an advanced vaper has nothing to do with big clouds, it's all about grasping the concept and properly learning about it, there could almost be classes for it with tests lols...
But like math, no matter how hard some people try, no matter how many hours people spend studying it there's people that just suck at it, for the vapers like that I recommend sticking with regulated mods with short circuit protection ^__^
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Quoting because I can't like the post twice.Sad thing is most advanced gear like mechanical mods are primitive electonics. Old school fashlight tech.
Basic battery safety for mechanical mods requires about 15 minutes of research.
If you cant look at a mech and understand how it works, you arent ready to use one.
Advanced refers to the gear, not the user. Ironically, advanced gear is actually more "simple" but it isn't the idiot proof plug and play stuff people are used to. It requires some knowledge to be able to operate safely. I don't get why this is so misunderstood. When I see advanced user on a vendor site, it's almost always preceded by the word WARNING.
Always does.
At least the current crop of folks giving "good advice" actually are giving good advice and not what I mentioned earlier.
Tapatyped
OK, I have to ask, did somebody really call themselves an advanced vaper?
To me it's rather simple
1. Observe in person, watch a video, or read about something
2. Decide to try something
3. Do something
4. Go To #1
Expertise if any is in the knowledge gained in repeating these steps or in helping others to get through these steps. I would think that with enough loops through the loop, you could call yourself experienced. Happens in every domain that I know of.
I bring it to help deal with the smell, actually I did it once and the wife suggested I should do it from then on lmao...
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