In my local paper yesterday, I read where they do not want people to use the e-cig, saying that they are bad, and they are going to block them from coming here.... I personally think the FDA is full of *%#*, but that just my opinion and doesn't mean anything
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Trust me you aren't the only one around here that thinks that the FDA is full of ****. They found what 2 chemicals in e-cigs that they didn't even compare to a cigarette or stop smoking medicines and devices already on the market. It is like saying they are going to ban a new type of burger because while it has less fat in it than a normal burger it still has fat (that make any sense?)
Basically getting rid of one alternative that is much more healthy than what they are leaving on the market. Man don't you love politics?
Basically getting rid of one alternative that is much more healthy than what they are leaving on the market. Man don't you love politics?
To understand why the FDA has it's knickers in a twist over e-cigs, you simply need to follow the money. The FDA gets half of its funding from the drug companies in the form of user fees and from what I found out, Lobbyists have heavy influence as well.
Gotta love politics
J
Gotta love politics
J
#1: 2009 has marked a MAJOR INCREASE in the sheer number of people who have started vaping and CEASED to buy analogs. Federal AND state tobacco taxes lost so far in 2009 are astronomical
#2 : Tobacco mfrs have also lost BIG BUCKS so far in 2009. Tobacco manufacturers = BIG BUSINESS. They contribute to the cost of getting politicians ELECTED and they expect those very same politicians to WORK VERY HARD to KEEP THEM IN BUSINESS
ANY IDIOT can see that vaping poses FAR LESS DANGER than tobacco products. Feds got the FDA to seize some imported vaping juice and they (allegedly) found just a couple little samples of vaping juice which contained TRACE ELEMENTS of diethylene glycol (bad stuff which CRYSTALIZES within the body and never breaks down).
They have totally IGNORED THE FACT that the vast majority (virtually all) of vaping juice is based upon PROPYLENE GLYCOL...which was deemd by the FDA as being SAFE FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION YEARS AGO, as confirmed in paragraph 1.7 this FDA document >>>
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp189-c1-b.pdf
If you value vaping, I would recommend you download and save a copy of this document.
Furthermore, what will their excuse be if I wean myself OFF the nicotine and continue to vape 0% Nicotine juices? Will they still try to call it a "Tobacco related product" and place new taxes on it? I'm SURE they will find a way to tax it. They can put a ban on vaping, but that does not mean all vapers will stop vaping! My guess is that eventually they will legalize it, but they will also impose taxes on it...since it is replacing a DEADLY POISON which they are losing HUGE tax dollars on.
CORRUPTION and OPPRESSION are nothing new...they just come in newly invented forms all the time....
Ridding this world of one more poison would only make this planet a far better place...but for the almightly dollar, the politicians would rather KEEP CAPITALIZING UPON THEIR TAXATION OF THE POISON INSTEAD............ the overall health of this world at large, the LOVE OF WEALTH and POWER is FAR MORE IMPORTANT...besides, TOBACCO PRODUCTS are another great form of population control!
#2 : Tobacco mfrs have also lost BIG BUCKS so far in 2009. Tobacco manufacturers = BIG BUSINESS. They contribute to the cost of getting politicians ELECTED and they expect those very same politicians to WORK VERY HARD to KEEP THEM IN BUSINESS
ANY IDIOT can see that vaping poses FAR LESS DANGER than tobacco products. Feds got the FDA to seize some imported vaping juice and they (allegedly) found just a couple little samples of vaping juice which contained TRACE ELEMENTS of diethylene glycol (bad stuff which CRYSTALIZES within the body and never breaks down).
They have totally IGNORED THE FACT that the vast majority (virtually all) of vaping juice is based upon PROPYLENE GLYCOL...which was deemd by the FDA as being SAFE FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION YEARS AGO, as confirmed in paragraph 1.7 this FDA document >>>
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp189-c1-b.pdf
If you value vaping, I would recommend you download and save a copy of this document.
Furthermore, what will their excuse be if I wean myself OFF the nicotine and continue to vape 0% Nicotine juices? Will they still try to call it a "Tobacco related product" and place new taxes on it? I'm SURE they will find a way to tax it. They can put a ban on vaping, but that does not mean all vapers will stop vaping! My guess is that eventually they will legalize it, but they will also impose taxes on it...since it is replacing a DEADLY POISON which they are losing HUGE tax dollars on.
CORRUPTION and OPPRESSION are nothing new...they just come in newly invented forms all the time....
Ridding this world of one more poison would only make this planet a far better place...but for the almightly dollar, the politicians would rather KEEP CAPITALIZING UPON THEIR TAXATION OF THE POISON INSTEAD............ the overall health of this world at large, the LOVE OF WEALTH and POWER is FAR MORE IMPORTANT...besides, TOBACCO PRODUCTS are another great form of population control!
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You don't really NEED any electronics to make a good reliable PV......only a good atty. As long as you supply the atty with the appropriate voltage supply, you really need not worry about any fancy schmantzy control electronics........Keep it simple. I have several homebrewed mods right now and NONE OF THEM utilize anything more than an atty, switch and voltage supply.....and they work QUITE WELL INDEED! Some of them use DC supplied by a USB port. Some of them use DC power supplied by an adapter that plugs into the wall. Some of them use little plastic battery holders that hold rechargeable AA cells. Most of them are MANUAL with some kind of switch.........SUPER EASY!!!!
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OK, ONE of my ultra simple mods is a manual USB passthrough for the VX2 series attys. It has a USB plug with a 2 ft harness that goes into a little plastic box. The box has a momentary switch with a yellow rubbery-like plastic knob epoxied onto the top of the momentary switch plunger, which acts as a FOOTSWITCH. The box also contains a small fuse and a 5W power resistor. Those are just extra features that are NOT NEEDED. Then another 2 conductor cord carries 5VDC into the rear casing of a UNI-BALL PEN....which has the VX2 female connector pressed & epoxied into the pen casing......done deal. It's VERY SIMPLE and here is the link >>>>
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/litecig/32093-vx2-footswitch-usb-passthrough.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/litecig/32093-vx2-footswitch-usb-passthrough.html
I also completely agree with every thing you have said doc.. I also agree that the fda/goverment is more then likely trying to find a way to tax PV's, niticone juice as we speek..
Plus, i figure if they did tax us vaporers, they would get the best of both worlds with tax.. That is, taxing us vaporers, and taxing the analog smokers as well..
Plus, i figure if they did tax us vaporers, they would get the best of both worlds with tax.. That is, taxing us vaporers, and taxing the analog smokers as well..
personally i dont care if the tax them, that is just a givin with the govt, y not just tax them an let us continue on. there they get there money an we are happy tooo
Yea i agree. LOL i mean they tax everything else so i wouldn't care personaly.
Then they can leave us alone like you said, and maybe do more important things with their time..
Got to agree 100% on taxing. Big tobacco companies are whining enough in washington, there is bound to be a tax eventually. Until then I will enjoy my e-cig for now.
Tobacco product taxation of juice that actually contains nicotene is fair. Juice that is nicotene FREE should NOT be taxable any more than a PV kit. One could always use a PV kit for ZERO NICOTINE VAPING.
This crap they are trying to pull with saying that vaping is dangerous/hazardous and should be banned.......it's absolutely PERVERTED.......to ALLOW the sales of analogs but NOT vaping products!
Now some stupid politician here in CT is attacking the vaping rights here. My dad was telling me about it over dinner with my parents tonight....the whole damned thing is just absurd ans it SICKENS ME that they can attck something that is not even REMOTELY as dangerous as analogs. It makes me sick to think about how LOW people can go just for the love of money & power.
This crap they are trying to pull with saying that vaping is dangerous/hazardous and should be banned.......it's absolutely PERVERTED.......to ALLOW the sales of analogs but NOT vaping products!
Now some stupid politician here in CT is attacking the vaping rights here. My dad was telling me about it over dinner with my parents tonight....the whole damned thing is just absurd ans it SICKENS ME that they can attck something that is not even REMOTELY as dangerous as analogs. It makes me sick to think about how LOW people can go just for the love of money & power.
I thought they were actually below the number needed to be considered trace elements.
I believe that is correct, but they are still trying all they can to make a big stink about it. As far as CT goes, they are just really missing their damned CT tobacco taxes, plain & simple
It's all horse crap. Think about it. They don't release their tests till last month (they did it 4 months ago). It only targeted s.e. and njoy (duh). After they claim they have been testing shipments for how long now... a year or more. Bottom line they went looking for trouble and eventually found it.
You can always find trouble if you're looking for it.
Say for example they find bad peanut butter with let's say e coli. Do they ban it or tell you to never use it ever again. Hell no, they do a recall. SO why in the hell can't they leave it at that.
You can always find trouble if you're looking for it.
Say for example they find bad peanut butter with let's say e coli. Do they ban it or tell you to never use it ever again. Hell no, they do a recall. SO why in the hell can't they leave it at that.
That would sort of blow, though, because the main reason I even looked into e-cigarettes was because the tax on cigarettes was getting completely obnoxious :/
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