What in the world is wrong with simplicity?

[Goldenkobold]

Its funny we have someone saying keep it simple but selling the riva set up, which really isn't any simplier than a tiny box mod...either way you have to change batteries.

You want to keep it simple,? Automatic battery- prefilled carts...scratch that, you want to keep it simple? Disposables.

you want to keep it cost effective and relatively simple, well you get into debates about which is MORE simple vs the cost effectiveness.

 

[AlmightyGod]

But does it make that much of a difference?

Yes, it can make a huge difference in the flavor and heat of the vapor.

Ohm's Law: (Voltage x Voltage) / Resistance (ohms) = Wattage

The ego: (3.4v x 3.4 v) / 2.2ohm = 5.25 watts
The ego with an 1.5ohm LR atty : (3.4 x 3.4) / 1.5ohm = 7.7 watts

A 3.7v mod: (3.7v x 3.7v) / 2.2ohm = 6.22 watts
A 3.7v mod with a 1.5 ohn LR atty: (3.7v x 3.7v) / 1.5ohm = 9.13 watts

The flavors and heat intensity can be changed by using different attys, or changing the voltage. A variable voltage device allows you to change the wattage, without changing attys.

 

[JudgeVape]

Its funny we have someone saying keep it simple but selling the riva set up, which really isn't any simplier than a tiny box mod...either way you have to change batteries.

I would argue that the box mod is even more simple. You would be hard-pressed to find any adult who hasn't already changed batteries in dozens if not hundreds of electrical devices in their lifetime and a 14500 is the same size as a "AA" battery. No screwing on or off, no cone.

 

[progg]

But does it make that much of a difference?

It's a huge difference.

I was unable to get satisfaction from a variety of atty/juice combos. Controlling the heat by tiny increments -- priceless.

 

[Stosh]

Yes, it can make a huge difference in the flavor and heat of the vapor.
....... A variable voltage device allows you to change the wattage, without changing attys.

Exactly correct!!! For a newbie the toughest part is finding their wattage preference (and possibly flavor)
Once you know YOUR wattage, you can use any fixed voltage power supply, and the resistance that will produce your preferred wattage.

I vape at 3.2v, 3.7v and 5v at times, but always the same or close to the same wattage.

The size and shape of your power source is up to your ascetic preference, every vaper or newbie just needs to find their own wattage.

 

[wv2win]

The sad part is that if newbies would start off with a simple box mod (and most are indeed very simple), the success rate of PVs as a smoking cessation device would probably be even higher. 3.7V and especially 5V box mods tend to be fairly light, very portable, very inexpensive and deliver a much more satisfying vaping experience than even the oft-recommended eGo/Riva devices, let alone cigarette-style devices like the 510.

..........+1. The OP IS a newbie who doesn't have the experience to make a comparative analysis of better PV's against the ONE he has used. When he has vaped on 5 or 6 different power level devices, I would then put a little my weight on his advice. Also he misses the known problem that there are untold number of smokers who have tried vaping with the highly marketed 3.7v devices and simply went back to smoking because they perform so poorly. Variable volt PV's is the true future of higher consistency vaping (at least from the power part of the equation).

 

[donnah]

When I was new and just starting to ask questions a very helpful guy suggested that I just skip the 510, the ego, box mods and go straight for the big mods (he said that is where everyone ends up anyway).. back then the latest things were the buzz, the screwdriver and the precise. I appreciated his suggestion and can see it's merit.. but back then I just wasn't ready. I had no idea what "voltage" was.. let alone variable voltage. I needed the learning curve.. I needed a simple ,complete kit (I started out with the smoking everywhere pos) I had no idea what all came with the nice, shiny mods but I didn't want to piece something together.. so I bought a 510 from cignot. I liked it. I wanted more battery life so I bought an eGo kit from Liberty-Flights. I love it. I want something with a bit more voltage.. so I just bought (and received today) a simple box mod (3.7v).

I am one of the ones that was overwhelmed by all the advice. Not to say I didn't appreciate it, I just didn't understand it all. While I could have just gone ahead a bought a buzz or a precise, I wasn't ready. I wasn't comfortable. I'm sure I would have figured it out if I had bought one but well, I didn't so I didn't have to.

I am really ready now for a provari or a Darwin but.. what I have works for me and if I were to splurge on something like that I'm sure I would like (love) it better but for now I'll just stick to what I have. I like to try to be cost effective but I can't justify spending $200 on a pv right now when my husband is out of work and times are tight.

So I see what the op is saying and I agree .. to a point.. not everyone is so simple minded as I am.. some many be actually ready to jump in feet first in the beginning. I got big advice but I still managed to get what I needed without being discouraged and/or overwhelmed. I really thank that guy for all his great advice.. I can now go back and reread it and understand what he is actually trying to tell me!

My suggestion is, if you're gonna tell the newbie to jump ahead to the finish line instead of wading in.. let him/her know that you are advising them to skip ahead and that there are many more "steps" in between. I'm sure that in the end I'll end up with a nice, shiny state of the art, variable voltage pv.. but I am enjoying the journey getting there.

 

[FreakyStylie]

People ask for opinions. People get opinions.

People make choices based on opinions.

Not everybody's opinions are the same. Not everybody's tastes are the same.

If there were only one style of everything, it would be simple, but not everybody would be happy.

 

[Levitas]

Yes, it can make a huge difference in the flavor and heat of the vapor.

Ohm's Law:
The flavors and heat intensity can be changed by using different attys, or changing the voltage. A variable voltage device allows you to change the wattage, without changing attys.

Hehe, I have Ohm's law tattoo'd on my forearm, I'm pretty familiar with it

I see what you mean with changing the wattage to change the heat intensity, I just didn't know it impacted the flavor that much. Interesting to say the least.

It's a huge difference.

I was unable to get satisfaction from a variety of atty/juice combos. Controlling the heat by tiny increments -- priceless.

This is interesting. So, if I don't like a flavor (Strawberry from Liberty Flights) for example, a change in power could change the taste?

Exactly correct!!! For a newbie the toughest part is finding their wattage preference (and possibly flavor)
Once you know YOUR wattage, you can use any fixed voltage power supply, and the resistance that will produce your preferred wattage.

I vape at 3.2v, 3.7v and 5v at times, but always the same or close to the same wattage.

The size and shape of your power source is up to your ascetic preference, every vaper or newbie just needs to find their own wattage.

Hm, well so far I have been enjoying my ego(which apparently is approx. 5 watts) 3.4 E.

Now I am a little more curious about a Variable Voltage battery but alas I've already spent like $170 in one week so I don't think I should be investing in any more toys at the moment.

 

[AlmightyGod]

Hehe, I have Ohm's law tattoo'd on my forearm, I'm pretty familiar with it
I see what you mean with changing the wattage to change the heat intensity, I just didn't know it impacted the flavor that much. Interesting to say the least.

This is interesting. So, if I don't like a flavor (Strawberry from Liberty Flights) for example, a change in power could change the taste?

Hm, well so far I have been enjoying my ego(which apparently is approx. 5 watts) 3.4 E.

Now I am a little more curious about a Variable Voltage battery but alas I've already spent like $170 in one week so I don't think I should be investing in any more toys at the moment.

LOL...Ohm's law might have to be my next tattoo...thanks for the idea!!!

I can't say it'll make bad juice taste good, but it makes good juice taste incredible!

Once you vape awhile, a lot of people find a sweet spot in the 8-9 watt range...

Enjoy your eGo...go to Avid Vaper : Electronic Cigarettes, E-Liquid and Accessories and get some Cisco LR306 or LR510 attys in 2.0 ohm and 1.5 ohm.
You can see if those increase your enjoyment without spending a lot of money.

 

[progg]

This is interesting. So, if I don't like a flavor (Strawberry from Liberty Flights) for example, a change in power could change the taste?

Definitely..........

 

[Vapor Vinny]

Well I have to disagree too. Not that it matters. I was just trying to make a point, which obviously wasnt received for the most part. Not everyone wants the ugly box mods or bomb detonators. Just because YOU may think it's the best, doesnt make it the best for everyone. I started with a 510, moved up to an eGo, then eGo-T, then I got a map tank which, guess what, I use on my eGo batts. I am completely fine with it and I dont see this changing. It works, the value is equal to or greater than the cost. I've looked at the big batts and box mods and they are way overpriced in my opinion. I just want simple.. something that works, and my set up does work and works well.

I'm all for providing options, with opinions, but to say that 'if newbies would start off with a simple box mod (and most are indeed very simple), the success rate of PVs as a smoking cessation device would probably be even higher." is more than a bit of a stretch. The rate of success of the e-cigarette is already phenomenal!! I dont want to vape a box, and I am not the only one who doesnt. I'm very glad you love yours I dont, to the point I dont even want to try one and my success as a non smoker hasnt been hurt in the very least because I wont vape a box. Truth is, I could have been successful with just a 510 or even the eGo-T, they work. I just didnt want to mess with stuff all the time so I went with the map. It works for me. Do I really care what the ohms vs the voltage = wattage is?? Not in the least, and again, I'm not the only one who doesnt.

It works, it's really just that simple sometimes!

Maybe if the newbies werent so overwhelmed, some of them wouldnt go running for the hills when they click on a provided link that takes them to some alien baseball bat sized mod that someone says is a MUST HAVE. Maybe instead of newbies lurking for weeks trying to digest the "too much information", they would jump in and buy a unit more quickly and get off the smokers wagon. It's like expecting a newborn to walk and talk before they even learn how to roll over or crawl.

I agree with you. I've talked to a lot of people who didn't start vaping after researching it and many of them named this site specifically. Saying they were scared away or just flat out confused. Your point is not going to be well received here because the people you're talking about, the noobs that were scared away, aren't here to tell you they were scared away. For the most part, the people who post here are those that have persevered, so they've probably progressed to the point of accumulated knowledge.

All you have to do is look at some of the other, less technically in depth boards to see that there are tons of people who just want simple answers to simple questions and above all, a reliable, simple and affordable ecig.

I don't think some people here realize just how intimidating their opinions can be to someone who is a complete novice.

 

[Copperhead]

I kind of knew were this thread was gonna go…99 % of us are here because we’re addicted to nicotine…Pre-ecig…we all managed quite nicely to get our fix puffing on a paper tube filled with tobacco…What I’m sure innocently started out as a healthy alternative to smoking..is at the same time I’m beginning to fear…turning into an alternative to big tobacco

I still believe some manufacturers and suppliers are taking advantage of a captive audience…Sure there is new stuff being introduced that is trying to help make it easier and simpler for vapors to get their fix…but for every one of those…there are lots other new gimmicks introduced… many that are sorely lacking in development and quality control…Make it different, shiny, add a few buttons or dials and throw in an LED readout and you have yourself a winner…for the marketer anyway…

The basis of electronics being part of e-cigs…certainly opens up a lot more options in ways to vape…But whether it’s a good idea is the question.. To push sales of an item…. unneeded options or extras and slick marketing has it’s place to lure buyers who might just walk away otherwise…But take an item that is really only offering a delivery system for an addiction….and do the same thing…it becomes a slippery slope…

It’s only right that new potential vapers hear the voices of those that have found simple options when it comes to vaping…and while it does occur… it often seems to get lost in the fog of all the technical jargon.(look at some of the posts in this thread)

I’ll reiterate that everyone is free to chose what role they want vaping to play in their life… But as with most of my other posts…I’ll also reiterate that lots of the stuff being marketed/sold is often unnecessary for one to make vaping a successful alternative to smoking…

 

[MissKitty47]

Sassy,

I totally understand your point, but I truly see it as everyone rushing in to welcome the newbie with open arms. This community has totally renewed my faith in people! Yep, we all want simple, just want whatever set-up we have to just WORK, not leak, and satisfy our cravings for analogs. (well, that's a generalization, as some have no intention of quitting, just use the ecig when they can't smoke.) What I do is when something peeks my interest, I google it, watch ytube vids on it, ask around, ask a veteran...and I enjoy the research.

Now, DH on the other hand, just wants ME to figure out the best, easiest way and then set him up. If he were the one on these forums, he would have given up weeks ago. He's in his 60s, so age and life experience has a lot to do with their attitude towards all this techy-talk. Now my kids-yep, I'm the lady that's been so moved by your dying friend that I'm saying screw the $ and getting them set up next payday-for them I'll start them out with a eGo PT and tanks, some juice...everything they will need for a month or two and then they can do what they like.

I have found watching the newbies and my own story, that at first we just want something that looks and feels like a ciggie. Then, we start really liking vaping and want MORE...more, more moreMORE!! It could be the addict part in us focusing on vaping instead of smoking, idk. But 100% of people don't fit into the same box...we're all different, so of course our vaping experience will be individual, too. I have noticed that when someone gets overwhelmed, they pipe up and ask questions and the folks on here will break it down, link to videos, posts...anything to help. Ya just can't beat THAT with a stick...it's precious and rare!

Thanks for thinking of the newbies like this, Sassy. I know we are both still newbies...you have a few more days than I. This forum has something for everyone...techy as can be or straight and to the point. I love it, as it does take differences to make the world go 'round. Some folks are totally satisfied with a Blu or other mini...I wasn't. My little addict mind wanted to chain vape, just like I chain smoked, so I needed something that would last me longer than 20-30 mins. ..and not taste like burned sweat sock, lol! uggh, cartos! But that's what works for me...lots of folks love cartos, lots of folks love dripping...etc...it's all to each his own. Thank you, Sassy, for being here...your story changed my life.

 

[JudgeVape]

When I was new and just starting to ask questions a very helpful guy suggested that I just skip the 510, the ego, box mods and go straight for the big mods (he said that is where everyone ends up anyway).. back then the latest things were the buzz, the screwdriver and the precise. I appreciated his suggestion and can see it's merit.. but back then I just wasn't ready. I had no idea what "voltage" was.. let alone variable voltage. I needed the learning curve.. I needed a simple ,complete kit (I started out with the smoking everywhere pos) I had no idea what all came with the nice, shiny mods but I didn't want to piece something together.. so I bought a 510 from cignot. I liked it. I wanted more battery life so I bought an eGo kit from Liberty-Flights. I love it. I want something with a bit more voltage.. so I just bought (and received today) a simple box mod (3.7v).

It may be soon for you to answer the following question since you just got it but I have to ask:

Is there any reason (other than a hangup some might have about cigarette-shaped PVs to start) why your new 3.7v box mod is any more intimidating, or any less newbie-friendly, than a 510 or an eGo/Riva?

To me, simple box mods (or even smallish 3.7 tube mods) are a perfectly legitimate starting point for a new vaper if they know about them when they start. I will certainly agree with you that the Provari/Darwin type devices are the "finish line" and I would never recommend either to anyone but an experienced vaper.

I would wager that if you took 5 people who are about to start vaping and who want a cigarette-shaped device and forced them to use a 510 for one week and then forced them to use a 3.7v box mod for one week (or reverse order, doesn't matter) and then asked them to choose one at the end, at least 4 of the 5 would take the box mod and forget all about their prior hangups about cigarette-shaped devices. Replace the 3.7v box with a 5v box in the same test and I think you might even get better results.

 

[Elendil]

The rate of success of the e-cigarette is already phenomenal!!

Not really. While the quit rate utilizing e-cigs is quite a bit higher than other NRT's it is still only around 30%.

I fail to understand why you are so upset about this topic. When a newb is asking for advice what they are really asking for is opinions based upon the experience of the person giving it. If you re-read your posts and count how many times you use the word "I" you will see you are expressing your opinion based upon your experience. It is no more or less valid than anyone else's.

I have been here for 2 years and for every person you can find that is happy with the "simple" 510/eGo/808 setup, I can find 1 (probably more) that say they really didn't get the most from vaping until they stepped up to a mod of some type...............

If I am new at something and asking for opinions. I want to hear it all, the simple and the advanced and since I'm an adult (as all newbs here should be, or I'm not doing my job) I can take the answers given, do a bit of research based upon info given and come to the best decision for me...............

 

[cyberwolf]

I'd have to agree with the OP to some extent. When a newbie asks how to get the most out of the new Blu they just paid too much for, telling them to buy another unit really isn't a relevant answer. It may be excellent advice, but often simple questions go completely unanswered.

I'm not going to wade into the "best device" fray other than to say that even with multiple box, wetbox, 5V and VV mods, the eGo with an LR atty still hits the sweet spot for me.

 

[MissKitty47]

jfoobar, I'm thinking I may have to go the box method for DH...he just can't stop flooding his tank atty, not matter what I do! For $35, I may get him a new toy when I order for the kids. Gosh, I really wanna love my tank!

 

[Elendil]

jfoobar, I'm thinking I may have to go the box method for DH...he just can't stop flooding his tank atty, not matter what I do! For $35, I may get him a new toy when I order for the kids. Gosh, I really wanna love my tank!

Try to use a thicker juice (juice with more vg). This should help the flooding problem

 

[Vapor Vinny]

I would recommend to a noob the same ecig that was recommended by so many here when I started. The DSE 901. I've been smoking it for 2 years and still love it. It's a low startup cost and performs plenty well enough for a noobie to evaluate whether they want to continue to vape. The last thing I'd do is recommend a $100 mod that looks like it was made in someone's garage with a wood carving kit they got on their 10th birthday.

I teach guitar. I don't recommend my students run out and buy a Fender strat as their first guitar. Because I know there's a real good chance that guitar is going to sit in a corner and never be played.