What is currently the best DTL RTA ?

[Shawn Hoefer]

Yup. I have an Engine, Engine Mini, and Engine Nano. Like 'em well enough.

Full disclosure... I am an avid hobbyist. I own and rotate through some odd 180 mods ranging from an iStick Mini with a dinky genny up through a 400 watt Reuleaux with an Envii Terra Octa-coil RTA I build myself (no premade coils). In that collection, there are around 280 atomizers - most are rebuildable or have rba sections. With very few exceptions, there are no duplicates in my collection (I have an admitted fondness for Broadsides and Admiral mechanicals). I run primarily RDAs and RDTAs on my mechs, and tanks and RDTAs on my regulated devices. There are about 45 mechs in the collections (18350, 18500, 14500, 14650, 26650, and 20700), a round dozen squonkers... well... everything...

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[mimöschen]

That seems to be a nice collectionBut that's a little bit pointless here, because it isn't about who has the largest, but about what's the best someone can get out of his instrument

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

Experience counts

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[Steamer861]

+1 for FT, good Prices & great website! So it takes a few weeks for delivery, I can wait
I do exclusively DTL vaping. If it's a good quality built atomizer your looking for, Steamcrave makes quality products!
The Aromamizer plus is my favourite atty, it's big! But it works well, all day long, every day!
A Kay-Fun V5 is an atty every one should have, IMO! (SXK make a good clone)
Other atty's worth mentioning are a Merlin, Skyline, Pharaoh, Amit 25, SMM.
Most atty's Don't Leak! IF! it's wicked correctly
It's next to imposable to recommend an atty for some one now a days, Your just going to have to find what works for you. The old fashion way, trial & error

 

[mimöschen]

Experience counts

That's exactly what I said. It's always nice to find some common ground at last, right?

 

[Krang]

I think I will be going with a OBS engine nano for my first RTA.
Down the road I want to try the Wotofo Troll as it seems to be a good dual coil rta.
Seeing how so many new products seem to be coming out each month that might change though..
What are your thoughts on The Troll?

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Anyone ever buy from fasttech? I see allot of places linking there and the prices are pretty cheap. Wondering if I will try my luck and buy a bunch of my future set up from there.

All the time. Got me 3 OBS Engine Nano's from there (9 days order to door for one). Make sure what ever you buy from Fasttech says "Authentic".

Engines , if wicked too tight will give you dry hits. Too loose and it will flood (happened to me this morning trying less rayon..). You have to get them just right, whether it's the Engine or the Engine Nano.

 

[Wheelin247]

Hi,

I am jumping back into vaping after quite a while.
I quit smoking/vaping for 3 years but started smoking again recently and want to jump back into vaping.
I used to build my own atomizers on an I-Atty from GG in the early days of RTA's.
Now I already know I want a versatile mod that will be able to provide me with MTL and DTL depending on what I am feeling like (and especially since I have not tried DTL yet).

I have my MTL RTA already selected but now I need to find which DTL RTA to buy.

What is objectively the best DTL RTA I can buy atm?
Keep in mind I want something in the 30-50$ price range like most of them are nowadays.
I don't want to pay close to 150-200$ like back in the day and be disapointed (sadly the I-atty wasn't very good and went back to punching cartomizers and putting them in a tank.

Thanks!

If your device can handle the size I would say the Voltrove (41mm) or the Modfather RTA (30mm). They are both absolutely awesome!


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[evan le'garde]

For me it's what can provide a sufficient throat hit at a low temperature. So without having to turn up the heat just to create some kind of harsh sensation, which could be considered a throat hit, i need an atomizer which "actually works". Seems to me there are literally hundreds of atomizers on the market which produce vapour, but that's practically all they do !. None of these manufacturers look into the science at all. They'll just copy whatever existing devices are out there already and consumers flock to buy the "latest thing" even though it's just another piece of plagiarized crap.

So what does the op require ?.

An atomizer which can satisfy by providing a throat hit at low temperatures, around 10 - 12 watts ?.

Or an atomizer which can provide a harsh sensation which most consider a genuine throat hit, but only at high temperatures ?. If this is the case then absolutely anything will do.

Personally i don't consider the sensation produced at high temperatures a "throat hit". It's just rough !. Seems most people are easily satisfied.

An atomizer which can produce a throat hit at low temperatures is very hard to find. Pretty much every atomizer i see in all the b+m's and online is a standard vapour maker and those who buy these devices aren't looking for any kind of satisfaction. They just want something which gives them enough nicotine that will enable them to cut down on their smoking habit.

It's virtually impossible to convince anyone what it is exactly that they need. It's because, really, they don't "need" anything, so anything will do, just as long as it produces nicotine vapour. Then they just turn up the heat until they get a harsh vape, and they''ll call that a throat hit !.

MTL Satisfaction can be achieved at low temperatures, with a sufficient amount of nicotine, and with a specific device/atomizer.

But there's no real point in mentioning this device because no one is really interested. And in addition to that all i ever hear is how over engineered it is blah blah blah !.

It's fun being a people watcher though. When people talk to me in this way my only conclusion is they most probably still smoke, are complacent with the devices they use at high temperatures, of which they possess dozens, even hundreds (That should give them some inkling that they simply have no idea what they are doing, but no !) and continue to say "everyone is different and vaping is subjective". They do all have one or two things in common though. They all continue to say this, they all continue to smoke, and they all continually buy more and more crap being produced by the industry, even though it doesn't even simulate the sensations smoking provides.

So you see when i see people talking about they've just bought this and that and have dozens of atomizers etc, talk about a list of random atomizers that they've got, it's this information which tells me instantly that these people do still smoke, as regularly as they ever did, just not for as many hours per day.

If you did find an atomizer that actually simulates the sensation of smoking you wouldn't be continually buying more and more atomizers.

I'd say of the thousands of ECF members only a small % actually completely quit smoking via vaping. Probably a perfect example of the % of vapers worldwide who still smoke.

I just wish there was a way of seperating those who vape + smoke, and those who quit smoking completely via vaping. I get a lot more sense from those who've quit !.

It's impossible to get any "real" information from smokers/vapers because they "constantly" talk a complete load of rubbish. After all it's not difficult to appear online and simply say "i don't smoke".

So when a question is asked such as "what is currently the best DTL RTA ?. You may as well be talking to a magic 8 ball.

If you are genuinely looking for an RTA which works, aren't bothered and misled with all the extraneous babble you know you're going to hear, and want to quit smoking forever (even though you say you already have), then the only RTA which "actually works" at low temperatures is the Kayfun V4.

And don't ever say no one ever told you !.

I know it has it's flaws, i know !. It works though !.

Running 29g kanthal, 5 wraps - 2mm, 1ohm, 11.5 watts 24mg nicotine.

There are those who still smoke who will disagree with this post. Then there are those who agree with this post who don't smoke. But then there are those who vape at high temperatures and call a harsh vape a throat hit, they will also disagree with is this post. So, most members will disagree, though having said this, probably won't respond at all, as if it were a game they're playing or something. But no matter the outcome i will definitely be made to look an idiot.

My vaping hardware doesn't lie you know !. You don't need high temperatures to get a throat hit. Just a V4.

I had second thoughts about pressing the "post reply" button on this post.

No harm no foul !.

 

[mimöschen]

The OP wanted to know a good DL RTA. And the V4 is definetively no such thing.

Aside from ridiculously high nicotine levels, throat hit can also be achieved by using higher PG juices. 70/30/10 for example.

 

[Letitia]

I'd say of the thousands of ECF members only a small % actually completely quit smoking via vaping. Probably a perfect example of the % of vapers worldwide who still smoke.

I quit smoking via vaping. IMO you are off base here. I would never have quit without dtl.

 

[Eskie]

I haven't smoked in 2 years since I started vaping, and still enjoy finding new tanks and stuff for new experiences. Tanks do vape differently and personal preference comes into play. But assuming anyone with more than one tank (and a mtl tank to boot) must still be a smoker (or dual user) is a tough sell.

 

[mimöschen]

I quit smoking via an old Bullismoker/Corona V1. Both of them really old-school rebuildable MTL devices. A friend told me to start with high PG and nic juice (20mg), but after two weeks I changed to 10mg and high VG and a little bit later to 6mg, because 20mg or even 10mg was way too much nic and throat hit for me in the long run, although I was a heavy smoker. When I came to DL after about half a year, the nic level dropped to 2mg and atm I'm vaping at 1mg without any PG, because I just don't need or even want a throat hit anymore.
A few months ago I was offered a cigarette, but I found the taste absolutely disgusting and the satisfaction was nowhere near of having a warm, tasty and sweet DL vape. So I'm pretty sure, that I'll never ever fall back on smoking.
You see, experiences may differ, and what works for one, doesn't necessarily work for others.

 

[drugarth]

just get the Aromamizer V2 (or the plus)...I own 50 RTA's and the Aromamizer is still the best imho, also very versatile (single, duals, tall glass, short glass)

 

[bood]

So, most members will disagree, though having said this, probably won't respond at all, as if it were a game they're playing or something. But no matter the outcome i will definitely be made to look an idiot.

don't think so...

I guess that the matter is more or less like drinking coke . Who prefers original Coke , who can take discount brands , who wants light coke , who drink it mainly mixed in alcohol drinks (?) and occasionally can take a can too ; then there is who drinks a coke and after he drinks a coffee , and then there is who look at this person and say : holy .... is he crazy or something

etc

In the end water is better .
Even water can be bad . Sparkling is worse then natural . I digest better a kind of water , whereas a friend of mine absolutely prefer another one <- for real

etc



But I'm interested in your idea and in knowing what others think ,

because saying that just 1 and only 1 device is able to express what's supposed to be the maximum mtl (vape?) satifisaction is quite extreme ..nevertheless very interesting if close to real .



_a very noob vaper who bought a casual last design' rdta + an old time classic rda, dont plan collections

 

[evan le'garde]

The attraction to vaping as an alternative to smoking is obvious.

The thing is if someone starts vaping habitually then it's clear that they never really wanted to give up smoking at all. It's not as if they use patches or gum and are so desperate to quit Tobacco they'd pay the extortionate prices for those NRT's. Vaping is similar to smoking in a much more apparent or conscious way (unlike patches and gum etc). So to continue to vape without having a plan to quit vaping says that smoking was never something someone was prepared to give up in the first place.

I only started vaping because of the cronic heart burn i was experiencing from smoking. 24 hours a day with no relief at all. Root cause is a stomach condition, but that's another story, though i do still have this condition, had it now for 11 years this November. I can't smoke !, it's far too painful. So like many people i started with cig-a-likes, progressed to ego types then moved to mods, tanks etc. Did the cig-a-likes work ?, no, but i needed something so i continued to vape anyway, the ego's never worked either but i couldn't go back to Tobacco, i wanted to though !.

People aren't like me. My reason for vaping is unique, it's the only reason.

I just cannot see how people are able to quit smoking, as addictive as it is, by vaping !. If i were healthy today with no stomach issues i'd be smoking as much as ever and laughing at the vaping crowd.

Vaping at high temperatures gives me heartburn. With a stomach as sensative as mine i need to use low power. So even though it's a condition unique to me i still think that, regardless of how sensitive "my stomach" is, vaping at high temperatures long term should cause heartburn in anyone. Theoretically, it's the heat of the vapour. If that's the case then the alternative would be to smoke again. If using high temperatures is how people get their throat hit, but long term causes heartburn, then the only alternative is to smoke. It's not "dual use". It an alternating habit. Vape for a few weeks or months, then switch back to smoking, back and forth. That's what i'd be doing, no doubt !.

So in a sense i kind of sit on the sidelines watching and listening to whatever the vaping community has to say feeling as though i'm not one of the crowd. Unlike you folks i have no choice, i cannot smoke, it isn't an option !.

If i couldn't find a vapourizer which could give me the satisfaction i need i would continue to search for one. One that ticks all the boxes. Not one which ticks all the boxes except for the fact that it gives me heart burn, that would be a box left unticked.

I don't think people are so different. Not anywhere as different as members claim anyway.

So these are the reasons for the items mentioned in my previous post. Theoretical as they may be.

I'm just waitng for an improved V4. The prime ?, i've asked and asked but haven't had any satisfying replies, not enough to make me go and buy one anyway. My vapourizer works, i don't know if the Prime would do likewise. The evaporation chamber is smaller to allow more flavour production. In my experience a smaller chamber equals less to zero throat hit.

So the V4 isn't perfect !!.

What i want is the guts of the V4 in a new improved body. Until then i won't be buying anymore vapourizers. Cleaning and re-wicking the V4 daily is a bit of a chore. I'd like it to be made simpler and easier to use.

I did just win a Charon TS 218 though. Can't have too many mods right !!?.

 

[bood]

I am sorry to not provide a long and articulated answer , but just 2 educated cents i can guess,

that vaping has become a much wider and more complex habit then its original purpose (quitting cigarettes) and that this newborn era eventually will grow and refine in the years to come possibly going well past and beyond its former origins, nicotine or not, with plenty of new products that we probably do not completely imagine now..

 

[Krang]

The attraction to vaping as an alternative to smoking is obvious.

The thing is if someone starts vaping habitually then it's clear that they never really wanted to give up smoking at all. It's not as if they use patches or gum and are so desperate to quit Tobacco they'd pay the extortionate prices for those NRT's. Vaping is similar to smoking in a much more apparent or conscious way (unlike patches and gum etc). So to continue to vape without having a plan to quit vaping says that smoking was never something someone was prepared to give up in the first place.

I only started vaping because of the cronic heart burn i was experiencing from smoking. 24 hours a day with no relief at all. Root cause is a stomach condition, but that's another story, though i do still have this condition, had it now for 11 years this November. I can't smoke !, it's far too painful. So like many people i started with cig-a-likes, progressed to ego types then moved to mods, tanks etc. Did the cig-a-likes work ?, no, but i needed something so i continued to vape anyway, the ego's never worked either but i couldn't go back to Tobacco, i wanted to though !.

People aren't like me. My reason for vaping is unique, it's the only reason.

I just cannot see how people are able to quit smoking, as addictive as it is, by vaping !. If i were healthy today with no stomach issues i'd be smoking as much as ever and laughing at the vaping crowd.

Vaping at high temperatures gives me heartburn. With a stomach as sensative as mine i need to use low power. So even though it's a condition unique to me i still think that, regardless of how sensitive "my stomach" is, vaping at high temperatures long term should cause heartburn in anyone. Theoretically, it's the heat of the vapour. If that's the case then the alternative would be to smoke again. If using high temperatures is how people get their throat hit, but long term causes heartburn, then the only alternative is to smoke. It's not "dual use". It an alternating habit. Vape for a few weeks or months, then switch back to smoking, back and forth. That's what i'd be doing, no doubt !.

So in a sense i kind of sit on the sidelines watching and listening to whatever the vaping community has to say feeling as though i'm not one of the crowd. Unlike you folks i have no choice, i cannot smoke, it isn't an option !.

If i couldn't find a vapourizer which could give me the satisfaction i need i would continue to search for one. One that ticks all the boxes. Not one which ticks all the boxes except for the fact that it gives me heart burn, that would be a box left unticked.

I don't think people are so different. Not anywhere as different as members claim anyway.

So these are the reasons for the items mentioned in my previous post. Theoretical as they may be.

I'm just waitng for an improved V4. The prime ?, i've asked and asked but haven't had any satisfying replies, not enough to make me go and buy one anyway. My vapourizer works, i don't know if the Prime would do likewise. The evaporation chamber is smaller to allow more flavour production. In my experience a smaller chamber equals less to zero throat hit.

So the V4 isn't perfect !!.

What i want is the guts of the V4 in a new improved body. Until then i won't be buying anymore vapourizers. Cleaning and re-wicking the V4 daily is a bit of a chore. I'd like it to be made simpler and easier to use.

I did just win a Charon TS 218 though. Can't have too many mods right !!?.

I started using joyetech 510's in 2010 because I was smoking and wheezing allot using cigarettes. Used that for a bit but it wasn't satisfying so I kept on smoking while using it inside a bit.

After a while I decided to try an Ego type ecig. They were better but still not good or satisfying enough for me to switch to ecigs completely (this would have been in 2011 so the tech wasn't quite there and pretty bad tbh)

I then decided to invest myself in the hobby a bit more.
Bought all I needed to make my own liquids, a provari V2 and cartomizers and tanks.

I got pretty big into vaping and would constantly buy new parts to try out to get the best and most satisfying vape I could out of it. When I got to a point where I was a happy vaper and satisfied with my setup the ''need'' to have an analog went away. Still, i always strived to better my experience.

I will be honest, my objective at first wasn't to stop smoking or vaping completely. It was as an alternative.
I decided that since I was making my own juices I would gradually cut down on the nicotine since it would be only logical to ingest less of the drug.

Gradually, with time I went from 36 mg, 24 mg, and so on until one day, after several months of beings at 2-4 mg I decided to mix juices without any nicotine at all.

After only maybe 2 weeks of vaping no nic liquid I started noticing I was reaching for my provari less and less without even thinking about it.

One day I noticed I had not touched my mod for the last 2 days. At that point I took the decision to just put it away in a box and not use it anymore. To my surprise I didn't have any trouble doing it at all.

I went a whole 3 years without touching an ecig or a cigarette.

I ended up smoking again after smoking a few analogs while drinking with some buddies.
Stressful situations, anxiety and easy access to cigs (living with someone who smokes) made me grab one every once in a while.

Faster than I could even notice, I was hooked again.
Now 2 months later I am trying to go back to vaping as an alternative.
Eventually I want to try the same method to quit.

Every person's experience with vaping is different. I think you might be right for some, but I don,t think everyone is exactly the same.

 

[stols001]

Um, Evan le guard, this is honestly pretty insulting, in my opinion. 1) if this is how you feel, why are you here?
2) Of course vaping is more similar to smoking than other NRTs and offers significant benefits over other methods, which I'm not going to list, you would pooh pooh them in any case.
3) Guess what, I LOVED smoking, I would STILL be smoking... oh, except that I was about to DIE OF COPD, poor you with your heartburn, WAH! If only I could go back to smoking with no health repercussions, I would, obviously, I think many people might, only after switching to vaping for a while, I can live with the benefits of that, and in fact enjoy them, because I don't have any choice. I can be happy and enjoy the process or I can be bitter and whiny about it. I don't laugh at smokers OR vapers, I think vaping is an excellent step for me. I don't have plans to quit, because I enjoy it, plain and simple, and I told myself if I could switch to vaping, I would not put pressure on myself to do anything else because the health gains would be so huge, and I KNOW that without vaping I would immediately relapse into smoking and die.

You aren't special. YOU can't smoke anymore, guess what ME EITHER. BFD.

Also, it sounds to me like you HAVEN'T accepted being a vaper as you criticize it compared to smoking, state that everyone who vapes wishes to be a smoker, and complain about vaping or say high wattage vapers all dual use or alternate which is NOT true.

So, find another method and quit for REAL then since you dislike vaping so much? Or, perhaps a little less self-pity and judgment of others would do you some good, as I really dislike this type of.... really the only word that springs to mind is whining.

Since you cannot smoke, why not enjoy vaping a little more, and stop being so critical of it? That's what I had to do to become a happy vaper not just a vaper. And probably, a vaper for life, as I know smoking would kill me rather swiftly if I returned to it and I have failed at Every. Other. Method.

The fact that I can be a happy vaper ONLY is unbelievable to me, in a GOOD way, as it's not heartburn I am facing, but drowning over the next 3 years, is pretty much what my doctors said.... SO,if you are GOING to be a vaper, why not lighten up a little and ENJOY what you have? My enjoyment of vaping is fantastic, and I do not begrudge smokers, OR other vapers, nor do I state that no one should enjoy purchasing equipment, or trying different styles of vape, it makes NO SENSE to me.

Weird.

Anna

 

[PJReid]

I think I will be going with a OBS engine nano for my first RTA.
Down the road I want to try the Wotofo Troll as it seems to be a good dual coil rta.
Seeing how so many new products seem to be coming out each month that might change though..
What are your thoughts on The Troll?

Excellent choice and just what I would have recommended had I recommended anything. After you use that one a bit and are ready for another, check out the OBS Crius II. I am in love with that atty!