What IS their problem????

[Katcandoo]

I can tell by reading many of the posts on this thread that there are many people here that are going to ruin it for the vaping comunity, by being confrontational with people who don't know what vaping is instead of respecting them.

And as the number of vapers grow, so will the number of confrontations.

Oh boy...

I am in no way advocating confrontation. I'm simply wondering how do we educate people about vaping by being "respectful" by not vaping in public, or by self-restricting it to smoking areas or out of sight (i.e. in our homes)?

 

[stevegmu]

I am in no way advocating confrontation. I'm simply wondering how do we educate people about vaping by being "respectful" by not vaping in public, or by self-restricting it to smoking areas or out of sight (i.e. in our homes)?

Media campaigns...

 

[Sizzorfite]

You should have said, "It's just a fog stick. Why the hate?"

 

[StormFinch]

Media campaigns...

Pay up steve, and we'll get right on that.

I'm going to be really blunt here and state that vapers in general tend to be "I'll do my own thing and you do yours" type of people. Not really a bad thing, until they develop the habit of glossing over potential problems and go right on with their gear discussions. CASAA only gets a small percentage of this board's members as their own, and even less contributions in the form of donations or signatures, even when it's to help the very people they're asking. No one bats an eye at plunking down several hundred dollars in vaping gear but won't donate $5 a month to keep CASAA solvent. So how in the world is anyone going to afford a media campaign? Oh wait, the American Lung Association can, since they have millions of people snowballed into thinking they're doing what's best for us.

 

[stevegmu]

Pay up steve, and we'll get right on that. I'm going to be really blunt here and state that vapers in general tend to be "I'll do my own thing and you do yours" type of people. They tend to gloss over the potential problems and go on with their gear discussions. CASAA only gets a small percentage of this board's members as their own, and even less contributions in the form of donations or signatures, even when it's to help the very people their asking. No one bats an eye at plunking down several hundred dollars in vaping gear but won't donate $5 a month to keep CASAA solvent. So how in the world is anyone going to afford a media campaign? Oh wait, the American Lung Association can, since they have millions of people snowballed into thinking they're doing what's best for us.

The big players have started and will continue and expand media campaigns as vaping grows. I'm sure many have had their first introduction to vaping via BLU commercials.

If CASSA were to hold a drive to raise money for a media campaign, I'd surely donate.

 

[bcalvanese]

.. do a fake cough and get in a vapers face.

As for vaping education, thus far I can claim 49 v-verts, with a few awaiting paychecks. They approached me with questions; not a 'up yours' attitude. So tread carefully when ya toss out dat 'guilt net' in my 'presence'!

I can tell by the way you are now threatening me that you are not at all confrontational.

 

[bcalvanese]

I am in no way advocating confrontation. I'm simply wondering how do we educate people about vaping by being "respectful" by not vaping in public, or by self-restricting it to smoking areas or out of sight (i.e. in our homes)?

I'm saying if someone gets confrontational, simply defuse the situation by putting your device away. Maybe even say "I'm sorry".

You may have to eat a little crow, but you will do a lot for the community.

 

[GBX4]

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

If I hand my child an old fashioned root beer does it look like I'm giving him alcohol? Does the tattooed Harley riding Pastor need to be shunned because he looks like a biker? People in general need to stop being sheep and quit judging what they "think" they see, or move along and keep their opinions to themselves.

No it's fine to hand your child that bottle. Probably not fine to hand one to the child of a stranger sitting at the table next to you.

I looked at that paper you linked, it's still an issue of respect in my opinion, respect for others in your proximity. Wether you feel their health is in danger or not that's not your decision or mine.

I made a decision to vape, the guy sitting next to me didn't and I don't have the right to force it on him because I think it's good for his health. Vaping might be better than smoking, but it will never be better than fresh air. It's not natural to inhale chemicals and we should try to maintain a respectful distance from nonsmokers and non vapers.

If we want respect we will have to earn it.

 

[bcalvanese]

No it's fine to hand your child that bottle. Probably not fine to hand one to the child of a stranger sitting at the table next to you.

I looked at that paper you linked, it's still an issue of respect in my opinion, respect for others in your proximity. Wether you feel their health is in danger or not that's not your decision or mine.

I made a decision to vape, the guy sitting next to me didn't and I don't have the right to force it on him because I think it's good for his health. Vaping might be better than smoking, but it will never be better than fresh air. It's not natural to inhale chemicals and we should try to maintain a respectful distance from nonsmokers and non vapers.

If we want respect we will have to earn it.

Very well stated.

 

[Katcandoo]

I'm saying if someone gets confrontational, simply defuse the situation by putting your device away. Maybe even say "I'm sorry".

You may have to eat a little crow, but you will do a lot for the community.

This is not relevant to what I was responding to. The situation presented by the poster was not to vape in any area other than a publicly designated smoking area and to vape in their home so they didn't offend anyone.

That is their choice. I have no problem with that. What I ask is how do vapers educate people when they hide their vaping or only vape in smoking areas? How does that help further the possibility that one day vaping will be accepted? Or are we resigned to still being viewed as smokers because we look like we're smoking and have to hide it or vape with smokers, thereby reinforcing the perception that vaping = smoking?

 

[bcalvanese]

This is not relevant to what I was responding to. The situation presented by the poster was not to vape in any area other than a publicly designated smoking area and to vape in their home so they didn't offend anyone.

That is their choice. I have no problem with that. What I ask is how do vapers educate people when they hide their vaping or only vape in smoking areas? How does that help further the possibility that one day vaping will be accepted? Or are we resigned to still being viewed as smokers because we look like we're smoking and have to hide it or vape with smokers, thereby reinforcing the perception that vaping = smoking?

It don't matter where a person vapes. I vape in many places. Work, in public, bars, hospitals, ect...

If someone is offended by my vaping, I will put my device away, say I'm sorry, and defuse the situation. If someone asks what it is, I will explain it to them, and let them know that if it offends them in any way I will put it away.

This is how we get a good reputation and not a bad one.

 

[gingersnaps]

People really are very hatefull and IMO its getting worse. I work in cust service answering calls all day long and people seem to be acquiring more and more an issue of golden spoons stuck up their bums.
They have no consideration for others and feel the world owes them. In my work people don't pay their bills and blame me for them not havering their service.( not going to say exactly who I work for) .
I'm not surprised he ran off so fast. He knew he was wrong but wanted to make someone else feel as bitter as him.

 

[Katcandoo]

If we want respect we will have to earn it.

I am looking forward to learning how we earn respect, without vaping in public. I'm not advocating vaping in restaurants, just want to know when and where it is acceptable in public. I really want to know!

 

[zoiDman]

... What I ask is how do vapers educate people when they hide their vaping or only vape in smoking areas? How does that help further the possibility that one day vaping will be accepted? Or are we resigned to still being viewed as smokers because we look like we're smoking and have to hide it or vape with smokers, thereby reinforcing the perception that vaping = smoking?

I'm not going to get into this discussion much. Because it has been Hashed Out hundreds of times.

But I will inject something that was asked of me by policy makers Numerous times when deciding whether or not to allow e-Cigarette use on a college campus.

And that is: "Why do e-Cigarette users have to use their e-cigarettes more frequently than smokers seem to have to smoke?"

 

[bcalvanese]

I am looking forward to learning how we earn respect, without vaping in public. I'm not advocating vaping in restaurants, just want to know when and where it is acceptable in public. I really want to know!

We should vape in public, but we should do it respectfully.

 

[Iffy]

I can tell by the way you are now threatening me that you are not at all confrontational.

LMFAO... See, ya can't tell da diff twix a threat and a friendly caution to avoid 'netting' those that may just be on your side.

Tell ya what, how 'bout you just continue to stereotype and be confrontational with da majority of da ECF and I'll just...

<click>

 

[Katcandoo]

It don't matter where a person vapes. I vape in many places. Work, in public, bars, hospitals, ect...

If someone is offended by my vaping, I will put my device away, say I'm sorry, and defuse the situation. If someone asks what it is, I will explain it to them, and let them know that if it offends them in any way I will put it away.

This is how we get a good reputation and not a bad one.

I whole heartedly agree with this. My post was in regards to the poster who won't vape anywhere but in smoking areas or at home because he/she didn't want to offend anyone, but claimed he/she wasn't afraid of confrontation and wanted to educate people about vaping. I'm not sure how that would be accomplished.

I've been through this same argument too many times. I'm done, have a great weekend everyone. Vape on.

 

[Chimney34]

Wow! Some people are just plain ridiculous! Just because you're miserable you don't have to make everyone around you miserable too. I would've told him that both me & my vapor cloud have personal space & that both his face & his nose just invaded mines. And to remove all of his coughing germs away from my personal space as well.

But you probably did the right thing by just ignoring him. I'm sure he was looking to pick a fight. But it also irritates me that a man walked up on you like that. If he wanted to be a douche he could have atleast been a 'man' and not attack a woman. And then he runs away! Coward!!

 

[Mrs C]

I'm not going to get into this discussion much. Because it has been Hashed Out hundreds of times.

But I will inject something that was asked of me by policy makers Numerous times when deciding whether or not to allow e-Cigarette use on a college campus.

And that is: "Why do e-Cigarette users have to use their e-cigarettes more frequently than smokers seem to have to smoke?"

Because as we tell new folk when they are in transition and having that wake up nic fit...e cigs deliver nicotine differently than analogs, it is not nearly as fast acting as the old way.
Leaving thing's smelling better while we vape away is our way of compromising .

 

[Anjaffm]

My response: You're disturbing the peace! Mine! Get your rude, nasty, hateful attitude out of MY face. I don't know you. You're a stranger. Let's keep it that way.

yup!

I am horrified at that rude nasty person who actually took the trouble to walk up to Vaslovik in order to pretend to be bothered by her vapor and to spew an expletive at a lady! How stupid, silly, nasty, disgusting and obnoxious can a person get?

And.. I am glad that this did not happen to me. Glad for the other person.
Because it is often amazing how a nice, friendly, live-and-let-live person (even of the female sex) can turn into a "fighting dog" when attacked.
And actually wallking into my personal space in order to attack me, that is a no-no.
Defending one's person and one's personal space from outside attacks is a trait that is deeply ingrained in mammals. It is called "self-preservation". And the quietest, nicest, friendliest, minding-their-own-business live-and-let-live people can be the most vicious when defending their personal space. Until the attacker gets out of their personal space (i.e. stops his attack and removes themselves).
Just saying...

@Chimney34:

If he wanted to be a douche he could have atleast been a 'man' and not attack a woman. And then he runs away! Coward!!

precisely.
I know this kind of coward quite well. "Oh, that is only a woman, so I can insult her with impunity". Bah!
Until.. they run into the wrong woman
I have met a few of those cowards. Won against each and every one of them. And despise them thoroughly. Bah!

Such people should be ashamed of themselves.