What IS their problem????

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NiNi

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I guess I haven't had the occasion to be tagged by an anti vaper........but I've always been told, "Guns make for a more Polite Society". Now maybe it's happening in Phoenix or Tucson, but I've only had questions about what I'm doing. Seriously, it's just bad manners to go all gonzo on a person, no matter how uninformed they are, but when you weigh the fact that they have a 50/50 chance of being armed...eh...not worth it. Quite possibly I MAY look like I carry, most people ASSUME I do, which I do in fact, but who wants to go all bat crazy on a little 5'1 gal like me?
I probably would have asked the "offensive person" just what it is that's causing an issue and go from there. Kill 'em with kindness so he walks away looking the fool...... I'm not going to feed into someone's confrontational BS.

BTW: Why didn't anyone from the vape booth step up to the plate? I'd think they'd be concerned about their sales? This "guy" was harassing a customer, or possible customer. As the Booth owner, I would have notified security.
 

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Glad I am old and don't have much reason to go out and deal with people anymore. I can't say I'm very impressed with most of the ones I do encounter "on the outside" anymore. So I do my errands as quickly and efficiently as I can and high tail it home where things are sane and if anyone gets mad about something it's for a reason...and it can be talked out.

Dogs are better people than a lot of humans anymore.

I'm on board with this. And I read that article about people not trusting anymore. I'm one of them. I feel bad for the young people growing up now. It's becoming a very ugly society out there on the streets. Most of my "social life" is here...at ECF or with good friends on Facebook, or email. But I'm older...and I already had my fun "out there", I own my own home, and don't have to worry about a mess of rules where I live. But I do feel bad for younger people...
 

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I think it is just as much bad taste to vape in somebody's face as it is for what the guy did to the original poster. In places that are non-smoking I stealth vape, "go to the bathroom", walk away from the herd of people, etc.... I have spent enough of my life standing outside in the rain next to an ash tray. Not going back, but I do try to be extra responsible and non-offensive.

Question: have you ever done, or have you ever seen, this "vaping in someone's face" behavior? I keep reading about it on the ECF forums, but have yet to encounter anyone who has actually witnessed it first-hand.

Also, do you not vape in nonsmoking areas because you still consider yourself a smoker (when vaping) or because you're afraid of confrontation with nonsmokers?
 

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"Don't blow that **** in MY face!"

OK, I'm old 'nuff that my response would have been, "Da only **** I smell is emanating from your mouth. Back off and no one will get in trouble!"

And as for some of da 'apologizers' posting in this thread...
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Question: have you ever done, or have you ever seen, this "vaping in someone's face" behavior? I keep reading about it on the ECF forums, but have yet to encounter anyone who has actually witnessed it first-hand.

Also, do you not vape in nonsmoking areas because you still consider yourself a smoker (when vaping) or because you're afraid of confrontation with nonsmokers?

The first part for me is about the huge clouds some people produce while vaping, do we know scientifically how quickly it dissipates? both outdoors and indoors? how much nicotine is present per cubic metre of air or the second hand effects on passers by? I don't think we do exactly, nor would a non vaping member of the public so he may be forgiven for being slightly offended by the possibility of breathing in the invisible contents of someone's exhalations, particularly when they seem to be partaking in some form of recreational smoking activity.

For the second part, I'm not afraid of confrontations with nonsmokers, i'd just prefer not to offend them. Whatever vaping rights we're fighting for or eventually end up winning - they will always be trumped by the general public's absolute right to breathe clean unpolluted air.

It's about looking at vaping from an outsider's perspective, to him it looks like you're smoking something, and even after the vapour clears he's still going to think its there, because that's just how people are and not all gases are visible. If some guy is out with his wife and children at a restaurant table i'm not going to start vaping right next to them, out of respect, not fear.
 

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I just got back from the local flea market, where while I was standing at one of the vape booths there I became aware of a tall older man watching me with my vape from the next booth over. Just as I was exhaling he strode quickly up on me, went into a fake coughing fit and angrily said "Don't blow that **** in MY face!"

Wow... just... wow...

I've run into a lot of that attitude over the last couple months just around town here, and in places where vaping is allowed too. It would seem that the anti-smoking zealots have a whole new group to hate and harass now, and they are coming after us with great zeal. There's been just too much of it to write about in one post here.

I read an online news story about how America is in a crisis of anger. Yeah, no kidding! I see it all the time, and some will do anything just for something to get all over the next person about. If they have to make up a reason they will.

It's getting so I'm afraid to vape in public anymore...

He just wanted a quick kick in the nuts, why did you not oblige?
 
Question: have you ever done, or have you ever seen, this "vaping in someone's face" behavior? I keep reading about it on the ECF forums, but have yet to encounter anyone who has actually witnessed it first-hand.

Also, do you not vape in nonsmoking areas because you still consider yourself a smoker (when vaping) or because you're afraid of confrontation with nonsmokers?

I have never seen nor have I personally exhaled vape in the face of somebody else on purpose. I have seen that with smokers (and a lot of alcohol). I have exhaled a huge cloud of vapor and then had somebody walk right into it the next second on accident.

I do vape in non-smoking areas, but I stealth vape. I do so to avoid confrontation. Are their people who see me do it? Yes. Do they also see I'm trying to be respectful to everyone in the area? Yes.
 

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If my vapor dissipates in 3 seconds flat, under average conditions, the ANTZ will insist banning it because it doesn't dissipate in under 2.7 seconds.
They are the extremists, not we.
They attack us, not we.

We are courteous, not they, which is why they can't understand the difference between reviewers vapor and stealth vapor, let alone the 3 degrees of in between vapor.
We don't blow it in people's faces, they spew in ours.
 

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I think the best thing to do is educate the person first.

If that does not work.

Then... call them a butthole...:)

But seriousely, we should allways try to educate and give people the benefit of the doubt. Many people don't have a clue when they see a vaping device, and could think a lot of different things when they see one. If they still do not understand, just defuse the situation by putting your device away.

In doing that, you are respecting others, and NOT giving vaping a bad rep.
 
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The first part for me is about the huge clouds some people produce while vaping, do we know scientifically how quickly it dissipates? both outdoors and indoors? how much nicotine is present per cubic metre of air or the second hand effects on passers by? I don't think we do exactly, nor would a non vaping member of the public so he may be forgiven for being slightly offended by the possibility of breathing in the invisible contents of someone's exhalations, particularly when they seem to be partaking in some form of recreational smoking activity.

For the second part, I'm not afraid of confrontations with nonsmokers, i'd just prefer not to offend them. Whatever vaping rights we're fighting for or eventually end up winning - they will always be trumped by the general public's absolute right to breathe clean unpolluted air.

It's about looking at vaping from an outsider's perspective, to him it looks like you're smoking something, and even after the vapour clears he's still going to think its there, because that's just how people are and not all gases are visible. If some guy is out with his wife and children at a restaurant table i'm not going to start vaping right next to them, out of respect, not fear.

1. I didn't ask about the size of vapor clouds that can be produced or how much nicotine is in the second hand vapor. I asked if you had ever done, or witnessed the huge clouds of vapor blown in someone's face. I have yet to find an actual first-hand witness of this fictional a$$hole who is giving vapors a bad rep.

2. You're not afraid of confrontation, you just prefer not to offend them? How do you know you will offend someone if don't vape around them? That is the quintessential definition of avoiding confrontation. You are projecting your conditioned negativity upon strangers that vaping = smoking. Please give mankind a little more credit that they can decide for themselves whether they are being physically harmed or personally offended by vaping, without putting out a bit of effort even if it makes you uncomfortable.

And please don't discourage those who are advocating vaping so you won't lose the vaping rights you won't exercise because you're afraid of offending someone which will cause you to not be able to vape in places other than smoking areas; thereby enforcing the correlation of smoking and vaping. :(
 

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I can tell by reading many of the posts on this thread that there are many people here that are going to ruin it for the vaping comunity, by being confrontational with people who don't know what vaping is instead of respecting them.

And as the number of vapers grow, so will the number of confrontations.

Oh boy...:(

Damn Straight bcalvanese.
 

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The first part for me is about the huge clouds some people produce while vaping, do we know scientifically how quickly it dissipates? both outdoors and indoors? how much nicotine is present per cubic metre of air or the second hand effects on passers by? I don't think we do exactly, nor would a non vaping member of the public so he may be forgiven for being slightly offended by the possibility of breathing in the invisible contents of someone's exhalations, particularly when they seem to be partaking in some form of recreational smoking activity.

For the second part, I'm not afraid of confrontations with nonsmokers, i'd just prefer not to offend them. Whatever vaping rights we're fighting for or eventually end up winning - they will always be trumped by the general public's absolute right to breathe clean unpolluted air.

It's about looking at vaping from an outsider's perspective, to him it looks like you're smoking something, and even after the vapour clears he's still going to think its there, because that's just how people are and not all gases are visible. If some guy is out with his wife and children at a restaurant table i'm not going to start vaping right next to them, out of respect, not fear.

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

If I hand my child an old fashioned root beer does it look like I'm giving him alcohol? Does the tattooed Harley riding Pastor need to be shunned because he looks like a biker? People in general need to stop being sheep and quit judging what they "think" they see, or move along and keep their opinions to themselves.
 

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I can tell by reading many of the posts on this thread that there are many people here that are going to ruin it for the vaping comunity, by being confrontational with people who...(

.. do a fake cough and get in a vapers face.

As for vaping education, thus far I can claim 49 v-verts, with a few awaiting paychecks. They approached me with questions; not a 'up yours' attitude. So tread carefully when ya toss out dat 'guilt net' in my 'presence'!
 
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