what is what?

[tj1100cl]

hi all!

i've spent about 8 hrs over the last two days reading this forum. i gave up on trying to get info from the web. there's too many "THIS is THE best e-cig ever" claims.

at least here i'm getting info from actual vapers. so thanx all for your input here.


HOWEVER, i have not been able to tell what model is what, and i haven't been able to find an identification chart.

801, 901 401, 510, v51 etc etc etc. agh! how did you all figure out which is which? none of the brands identify themselves as a particular model is a blu a 901 or a 510? what's an E8? what's a greensmoke or a smoke stix? what interchanges with what?

if someone has a link to identify WHAT IS WHAT, please post it.

also, it could be stickied in the noob section and made easier to find because i haven't come across it yet.

is there a comparison chart anywhere? has anyone made a pros/cons list for each model they've tested?

ok, i'll get back to reading. i'm not going to buy one until i can make up my mind, and so far i'm getting lots of info. but the info is basically telling me that everyone has a different preference and nothing is particularly objective.

thanx again all!

 

[Rosa]

This might help:

Brand and Model Compatibility Chart - E-Cigarette Wiki

Here's what you should know:

* if it looks like a cigarette IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK WELL.

* the smaller the battery, the shorter the battery life.

* there is no such thing as e-juice that tastes like your brand of cigarettes

* a good e-cig and good juice WILL change your life.

GOOD LUCK!

 

[DocWyatt]

The best thing to read is Don's guide. I will post the link the part of the series that begins to show various models below:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-4-6-buying-your-first-e-cig-little-guys.html


It is confusing as the numbers do not mean bigger, smaller, wider or more power - like a tire, for instance.

My personal advice for a newbie is to narrow your search to a handful of models:


1) EGO 510: Basically a 510 with a large fat battery so you it will last a long time.

2) Mini Style: DSE 901 and 510. DSE 901 - Less vapor, possibly smoother taste. Length 118 mm. 510 - more vapor, possibly less smooth than 901. Length 112 mm.

3) Pen Style: 801 and 302 These are longer, less vapor than a 510, but some say more vapor than 901 and smoother taste than a 510. It is somewhere between the two models - but longer. Length 155 mm.

4) Two Piece Design: KR808D-1 and 4081. The KR808 is the style that Vapor4Life uses. The 4081 is SmokeStik. Simple, easy. You do not need to purchase those styles from them, just giving a reference point.

You will find there are pro's and cons with every model. More vapor might mean not the taste for you. Less vapor may not be satisfying enough. Small (similar in size to a real cig) likely means very short battery life and maybe less consistent hits because of rapidly diminishing power.

The vast majority of people will choose one of these 4 styles and models with the 510 having been the most popular for a long time, but likely replaced by the EGO now. I doubt you can go wrong with any of the top 3 styles - but there are differences with each. The two piece designs like the KR808D have wildly varying opinions apparently. I ordered one to test it and should be here Thursday and can give a better opinion of it soon.

Keep in mind that many people, if not most, initially want something as similar in size to an analog as possible. Then they tire of the short battery life, or want more vapor - or something - and begin to search for something else. For this reason, if money is a non issue for someone I think getting an EGO and then choose one of the other styles (not the 510 as the EGO is similar in type of hit) is the best approach. If money is an issue and can only order one style, then you will have to think about the attributes that are important to you - and make the best decision you can.



Here is a post that I wrote that explains some basics, but i did not get into detail about the various models:


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...comparison-vs-store-e-cigs-newbie-advice.html

 

[Lazerrred]

^Shouldn't that be ^

Standard 510: Small, good vapor

EGO 510: Basically a 510 with a large fat battery so you it will last a long time.

 

[tj1100cl]

hi Rosa!

thanx for your 2 cents! i have some questions from your comment:

1. the models closest to "cigarette size" don't work as well? does this include newer style cartomizer models such as the "e-cig E8", touted as the "worlds smallest"?

2. "short" battery life = limit on the number of 'drags' you can take? OR, limit on how long you can use the battery before it is useless and should be discarded?

3. if a small battery = short daily use time, won't a "PCC" solve that?

thanx Rosa!

 

[tj1100cl]

hi Buss!

I don't think i've read the 'parts 4-6' yet, so i'll get into that next. thanx for the link.

my reading so far is indicating that the ego and the KR808 are favorites of many. but a lot of the stuff i'm reading is from '09. i know the technology is evolving quickly, so a lot of the advice here may be obsolete. how much of the advice here about manuals and automatics has changed since cartomizers are becoming more popular?

i also need to find out about this dripping vs. dipping. i still haven't figured out what each of those are. this site could use a glossary. OR, more words, not just abbreviations, need that line under it which prompts the Question Mark cursor.

i'll keep reading. thanx again!

 

[Kargonet]

This might help:

Brand and Model Compatibility Chart - E-Cigarette Wiki

Here's what you should know:

* if it looks like a cigarette IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK WELL.

* the smaller the battery, the shorter the battery life.

* there is no such thing as e-juice that tastes like your brand of cigarettes

* a good e-cig and good juice WILL change your life.

GOOD LUCK!

I wish we'd found this out before we bought our first kits.

 

[DocWyatt]

^Shouldn't that be ^

Standard 510: Small, good vapor

EGO 510: Basically a 510 with a large fat battery so you it will last a long time.

LOL, thanks! I keep doing that! I corrected it. all the "01 stuff and I keep typing 501 instead of 510...

 

[tj1100cl]

hi Lazerred,

i had to scroll up to see if that was my fault, because in my OP, i actually had 501 first, but i must have deleted it right before posting when i realized it was incorrect. 501s are button-fly jeans - they probably have the number copyrighted! haha

anyway, your comment which repeated "fat battery" made me think for a moment:

is it better to have a larger size PV with longer battery life, OR, have 2-3 of the small size, each loaded and ready to go in a PCC?

when i say "better", obviously i'm asking for opinions, not verifiable facts. this is all subjective, right?

my browsing of e-cig websites is leading me to conclude i'd rather have a couple units to load up in the morning and not worry if one runs out of either juice or power thru the day. what say you?

 

[tj1100cl]

which kit did you go with, Kargo?

 

[Rosa]

My responses in bold:

hi Rosa!

thanx for your 2 cents! i have some questions from your comment:

1. the models closest to "cigarette size" don't work as well? does this include newer style cartomizer models such as the "e-cig E8", touted as the "worlds smallest"?
Here's a clip from another new poster on ECF who bought the E8:


"I got my E8 from e-cig.com and apparently it is only available to order directly from China. At this point, I am extremely dissappointed but am not sure which way to go next...................Here are my issues with the actual e-cig AND the company:

1. I only vape in the evenings, but my long baatery only lasts for the equivalent of 5 cigarettes (I am guestimating on that) about 1/3 of the way through its charge, I get very little vapor

2. Cartridge is empty very quickly and then I get that chemical buring taste

3. The empty cartridges I ordered to fill with my choice of liquid has a very odd chemical flavor and I have to refill the cartridge 4-5 times before it is cleared of the weird taste.....until that point, I cannot even taste the flavor of my e-liquids. The pre-filled catridges do not have that issue. After they have been used, the first refill tastes just fine to me

4. Cartridge heats up badly after only 2-3 drags. makes vaping unpleasant to the touch. Most of their pre-filled cartridges also crackle and pop or leak everywhere.

5. Customer service blows. returns take forever, they do not communicate, orders are incorrect and they keep changing prices so I feel like if I had waited a day or two longer, i could have gotten a better deal."

2. "short" battery life = limit on the number of 'drags' you can take? OR, limit on how long you can use the battery before it is useless and should be discarded? By that I mean that you'll need to switch out the batteries often (sometimes every 1/2 hour depending on what you get --- and it can take up to 2 hours or so for the batteries to charge up again. The math doesn't add up)

3. if a small battery = short daily use time, won't a "PCC" solve that? yes, but do you want to switch out the batteries every 45 minutes? It really depends on how much you smoke; if you smoke more than 10 cigarettes a day you'll be happier with better battery life - even if you have a PCC - but a PCC will make it manageable and a lot of people do very well with them.

thanx Rosa!

 

[DocWyatt]

I made some editing to my original post to include the 801 (similar to the 302) and include the 4081 (similar to the KR808).

One thing that you need to think about, in my view, is manual vs auto. If you HAVE to have something as close to a real cig as possible, then you may prefer an auto.

 

[Rosa]

My responses in bold:

hi Buss!

I don't think i've read the 'parts 4-6' yet, so i'll get into that next. thanx for the link.

my reading so far is indicating that the ego and the KR808 are favorites of many. but a lot of the stuff i'm reading is from '09. i know the technology is evolving quickly, so a lot of the advice here may be obsolete. how much of the advice here about manuals and automatics has changed since cartomizers are becoming more popular? The eGo and KR808D-1 are still the top two. Manual vs. automatic has nothing to do with cartomizers vs cart/atty combo... manual is preferred by approximately 75% of all vapers.

i also need to find out about this dripping vs. dipping. i still haven't figured out what each of those are. this site could use a glossary. OR, more words, not just abbreviations, need that line under it which prompts the Question Mark cursor.

Dripping is when you drip a couple of drops of e-liquid directly into the atomizer instead of messing with either cartridges or cartomizers. You must have an atomizer to do this (kr808 doesn't come with an atomizer, but you can get one that fits it). Dipping is used with e-cigs that have an exposed atomizer (like an 'outie' vs. an 'innie' such as the 510), you just dip the end of the atomizer into a small pot of juice and put the mouthpiece back on and vape. It's like dripping for outies.

i'll keep reading. thanx again!

Good luck!

 

[tj1100cl]

wow! thanx for posting this. it will definitely influence my decision. i am definitely going to buy from a state-side vendor, and most likely from someone i see is highly recommended on this site. i don't mind making the investment to get on board, but i don't have money to throw away.

i don't smoke now. the president made me quit when he banned my smokes. (!@#$%!) i used to smoke about a pack a week of Djarum Blacks (cloves). i'm not addicted to nicotine and i can't stand the taste/smell of cigarette tobacco. but i like the ACT of smoking, and i like the taste of a clove, when i'm having a beer. i'd like to be able to have that again, and w/o the harmful effects of smoke? e-cigs sound like a win-win to me. i just need to find the most convenient and authentic solution.

i'll have to track down the clove lovers in here.

 

[DocWyatt]

I edited AGAIN to add the length and put each in their respective style of ecig. That should give you a very good idea to narrow your search. Then you ONLY have to make a decision... LOL

The only caveat with Don's series is that it is from 2009 as you have noted. Unfortunately there haven't been that many dramatic changes - yet.

 

[Rosa]

If you enjoy the occasional clove cigarette but are not addicted to nicotine then a 510 sounds like a good choice for you. The throat hit would be comparable to your cloves, the size is manageable (similar to a cigarette), the battery will last for a couple of hours before it needs to be recharged. There are a few clove flavored juices out there, but I can't recommend one over the other (the one I tried didn't do it for me). I AM going to recommend that you go with 0 mg juices, though, since you aren't addicted to nicotine the hand/mouth connection should be enough to satisfy your smoking urges (it works, believe it or not!).

Here's a thread about finding the perfect Djarum flavor:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor4life/128151-djarum-replacement.html

 

[tj1100cl]

wow!

that's great advice. thank you, thank you.

i see that the manuals are favored by many. i've held one. WHY OH WHY did they put the button so far forward? no one holds a cigarette in the middle. you hold it right in front of the line between the filter and the tobacco. why didn't they put the button closer to the end of the battery??? i wouldn't even be thinking of autos if the button was in the right place.

i'll be reading a lot more. but i'm craving a dang smoke! lol i'll have to read faster.

 

[Rosa]

You could always get one of each.. most 510 kits come with two batteries and often you can choose what kind. So just pick one manual and one auto and see which one you like better. Cignot has really fast shipping and people say they also have the best customer service anywhere. Joye 510 NO BOX

 

[tweazee]

The difference between auto & manual -- IMO.

Each time you start to vape, you have to prime the AUTO battery with 2 short puffs/blows before you get a good hit. Then if you draw to long, the auto has a timing cut off after so many seconds it stops and blinks.

The manual allows you to have a long slow draw with out preping the battery.

My aunt uses a KR808 battery with 901 atty. She does like it, however 2 batters will not last past 13 hours. My aunt vapes all day long. So we will get her 2 more batters -- she doesnt use a computer much.

The KR808 batteries last longer (4-6 hours) than the 510 (approx 2 hours). It all depends on how much you are vaping.

Another option is a passthrough if you are near a computer for awhile, you can use that while computing.

 

[tj1100cl]

wow!

BUSS: thanx for that thread on your EGO: thoughts... very helpful.

i'm really interested in your opinion on the KR8 you just ordered.

also, the E-CIGARETTE WIKI chart is EXACTLY what i was looking for earlier.

ROSA: i am going to have to follow up with the clove vapers to find out which is the preferred and why, but thank you for this link. it's not easy to duplicate the Djarum Black flavor, particularly because they used to dip the end of the filter in something as well, so the flavor was right on your lip, not just in the tobacco being smoked. not all kreteks have that.

i was mad about the stupid clove ban, but if i can find an e-clove alternative, it will be a blessing in disguise!