If somehow we could make it 'Politically Correct' to vape we could prevent a ban. Any ideas?
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What is wrong with you?
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That's because to many people are either too self-absorbed and too poorly educated to understand that it IS about freedom. And that some day the next freedom taken away could be one that negatively affects them.
I'm sorry but I think we are way past that benchmark. Tow the line of the current meme or get disenfranchised.
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On a more positive note, maybe the collective wisdom of society is greater than out own!
waaahhh, waaahhh. Complaining won't do anything either. Pretty sure even if they pass a law, there will still be means to buy e cig products. What are they gonna do, go to everyone's house and confiscate their e cig products.
For me, months and months of end of the world fear mongering threads in which no law or regulation has passed which has affected my vaping has made me realize nothing of significance will really happen...
When you stand between a politician and a campaign contribution guess who loses?
That has 'affected you'... You haven't read these threads very closely if you think laws and ordinances have not passed that did not have an effect on others, and if you think they won't get around to you and yours sooner or later (probably sooner), well... Good luck with that. I hope you are right, but I won't have a sympathetic ear to lend you when it turns out you were wrong.
I've read all of them. Nothing has happened, short of prohibiting vaping where smoking is prohibited, which is a given and doesn't make a bit of difference to me...
You did not read this very thread. Right here in this exact thread you are telling me that you read "all of them" and that "nothing has happened". If you had read this very thread, let alone any of the others, you would not have said that.
Well, you are welcome to whatever opinions you want. I'm OK with that. But, lying? Nope. I'm not at all OK with that. I will add you to my blocked users list and I will appreciate it very much if you will afford me the same courtesy.
So if some of us disagree with your argument or parts of your argument ( and many obviously do based on how many threads like this have we seen now that are almost bullyish and everyone who disagrees gets attacked or criticized) and you continue on with these attempts at "shaming" fellow vaper threads--- doesn't that make you guilty of stepping on my liberty to have my own opinion on vaping and act upon my opinions and not be subjected to the ones you are trying to force upon me?
You cannot force anyone to feel as you feel about anything that is a basic principle of "liberty" you guys seem to have forgotten with your harsh words about how naive and misguided anyone who may disagree with you is. Maybe we just see things differently than you do. Period---deal with it. There are alot of things I don't do out in public and I don't consult fellow vapers about those things--this should be no different. I don't like extremists on any subject who think only their opinions are valid and vaping is no exception. Its just a general turn off to see threads like this and does not win people over.
As far as what will happen at the very least the nicotine will be regulated and taxed eventually no matter how loud you yell---it is inevitable. We don't have the twenty year studies necessary or backing of the medical community/ powers that be to support our "its safe" theory at least not yet. And even if we did they would still find an excuse---the children---etc-- as it all comes down to the almighty dollar --one of those pesky side effects of a capitalistic society. You must always feed the machine and the machine is always looking for an opportunity to be fed. If thinking this makes me a bad vaper to you guys then so be it---I call it being realistic. Am I happy about it no but that is another thing entirely.
And to the OP, to answer your question there is nothing wrong with me, I just have different opinions than you.
Proposals don't equate to enforceable law. Nothing has happened. If little Timmy can't vape at Target or the courthouse, too bad. Just because BLU said you can vape anywhere doesn't make it so...
It is amusing how those who cry freedom have no tolerance for differing views of opinion...
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In fact, they did, and continue to do so...
You sure about that last statement? Unless you can refute the link of 440BB, it would appear you have not read them all, or are intentionally ignoring this one...
It amazes me when a de facto ban is worked in through a backdoor like this one, and is identified in this very thread, you still make your blanket statement. This legislation, as presented, shuts down B&M stores from selling e-liquid. How many of us started vaping from a B&M? How many smokers in the state will be denied this same opportunity we enjoyed?
This is not what I would call fear mongering.
That's exactly why every few months I make a thread like this one.
I appreciate that you make threads like this. It's easy to get complacent when one does not see anything "bad" happening in one's personal experience. We all need little reminders that things ARE happening in other areas and they will eventually make their way to our neck of the woods.
When i was a teen I started smoking. It was easy peasy to get cigarettes & no one ever carded. One day my aunt told me that smoking was something that only those over 18 were allowed to do & I thought she was wrong about that since I'd never once had an issue getting cigarettes AND our school actually had a smoking area for students. Then out of no where (but it wasn't out of no where) 5 days after my 18th birthday the state started becoming very vigilant about carding everyone for cigarettes. I didn't have an id at that point so I actually had to have friends go buy my cigarettes for me for a while until I got one.
I'm well aware that things can just sneak up on you when you're not looking & leaving you thinking wth.
Child proof caps and packaging? I'm sure that will be the end of vaping... Never bought anything from a b&m in the US... If people really want to quit with e-nic, pretty sure everything they need is available on the internet...
Interesting. I'm pretty sure a FB friend in Netherlands just asked friends to help her get some eliquid because she can't purchase it online & there are not stores to buy it from. So, you are incorrect about that.
Check your sarcasm, and your ego, and admit you were dead wrong, Steve. This is clearly a regulation that is not merely restricting vaping to smoking areas. It restricts e-liquid sales more so than cigarette sales locally.
You having "never bought" from a B&M doesn't make your hasty words any less wrong, not does it make e-liquid as available as it should be.
If you owned a B&M in Illinois, you might see it different...but since it doesn't affect you directly, it doesn't exist, right?
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