There's a difference between living in an oxygen atmosphere and exposing something to OXIDATION.
No... There isn't... Things exposed to open air is being oxidized just the same, albeit at a slower rate than say pouring H2O2 and then torching the said matter.
Oh, you're going to be fun.
Anti-oxidants are substances which slow down the process of oxidation and oxidative damage in living tissue, among other things. Anti-oxidants CAN slow the rate of food spoilage but would you really want to eat a rotten apple? srsly? The apple changes color due to oxidation, yes. Oxidation in tissue is also referred to as "ROTTING".
I can be fun, and I never said I wanted to eat a rotten apple. It's completely besides the point but oxidized apple is not rotten at all, decomposed/ing apple is rotten. Oxidation does not = food spoilage. Organic decomposition is much uglier, leaving the apple to it's eventual smelly, smushy, compost doom.
It is obvious, though, that Johnson Creek isn't using effective anti-oxidants in their juice if they claim that it is oxidizing.
I find this odd since they also claim that there is citric acid in their liquid (which is a very well known anti-oxidant).
Ditto. I completely agree with you, I do not believe any product should be sold without testing. If before JC sold the batch and let a sample sit for a week they would have known it would turn green. Selling this product was careless. But they offered to refund it which I don't think anybody is going to argue that JC doesn't feel somewhat bad and isn't taking responsibility.
The last 2 statements also render your point about anti-oxidants; MOOT.
How so? This isn't personal, I did not attack your credibility or state your information lacked any value. Simply claiming you work with oxidizers all day does not make you any more or less credible nor does it to me.
And to be honest we don't know what is going on, it could be reacting with heat or light for all we know. I can test it to see if air, temperture, or light, is affecting the juice pretty easily. If it's none of those, we need to factor in that other contaminants or unintended chemical reactions are the cause.
Nobody said he shouldn't look at it. I said he shouldn't VAPE it.
Right, so I said "I" will put it to good use. It has already been stated how little I care about color changing factors of JC E-Juice. It was just a matter of if the juice in question being wasted or thrown out, please send it this way. I will take full responsibility of the effects, side effects. Hell if it tastes like crap it will just go to R&D and be used to heavily test atomizer designs.
Let's assume that the juice IS oxidized. Do YOU know what happens to nicotine when it is oxidized? Do YOU know what happens to tobacco absolute when it is oxidized? Do YOU know what happens to the essential oil of the tobacco plant when it's oxidized? How about 2,5 Dimethylpyrazine? 2,3,5 Trimethylpyrazine? 2,3,5,6 Tetramethylpyrazine?
Oxidized Nicotine turns into Nicotine oxide? If I remember my chem. right and I am quite sure it is, Nicotine oxidizes anyway in a combustion reaction, then furthermor in your lungs.
I have absolutely no clue what happens to essence of tobacco when it oxidizes, but I'm willing to vape that fancy sauce and find out.
If you don't know the EXACT effects of oxidation on every single one of those chemicals, putting them in to your blood-stream after someone has told you that an oxidative reaction has taken place is dangerously foolish. Sure, there could be no effect at all...We could also find out that an oxidative reaction between those chemicals has created a mutagen...or a class 1 carcinogen...or a deadly toxin...or maybe just something that will make you sh.t iced tea for a few days.
Sh!tting Iced tea would be hilarious. I'd buy that juice at a premium. Oxidation is common, so much so that almost everything exposed to air is oxidized. Your food, your watch, your face, your car, even the air you breathe contains particles of oxidized matter. I don't see anybody flopping over from it. If you're really worried you'd vacuum seal your sandwiches and quit breathing air.
Furthermore, telling someone that they shouldn't be concerned after an oxidative reaction has taken place is PATENTLY irresponsible and if physical damage occured as a result of that advice being followed, it is certainly a matter of civil (potentially criminal) liability.
It's called "erring on the side of caution", also known as "don't let your balls write checks your ... can't cash".
And that, as they say, is that.
Ditto, but heating and vaporization occurs in the E-Cig atomizer. Not to mention air is mixed into the PG blended vapor. Thats pretty heavy dosage of oxidizing right there.
I personally never TOLD anyone to smoke it, never sold the juice, never held a gun to anybody's head and said "hit this .... or die!" Chris from Cali was being a cautious, intelligent, observative e-cig user when he made the decision not to smoke the juice when it turned green. Perfectly understandable.
I guess I am downright insane, so send me a batch. If I defacate Yorkshire pudding flavored iced oolong tea you guys will be the first to know.
No need to take things so seriously, I think this got off track but that green juice doesn't necessarily mean instant death. It's just a bit wierder than most, and I don't mind wierdness at all.
Too precious!!! I'm going to turn it into a screen saver.
