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ladyraj

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From: 4dangers

E-CIGARETTES -- ASH Legal Complaint Hits E-Cigarettes: New Product Poses Dangers For Both Smokers and Nonsmokers

COMING SOON TO A NO-SMOKING SECTION WHERE YOU ARE SITTING:

A new device for addicted smokers who want to be able to get their nicotine fix by “smoking” in places where smoking is prohibited, and do so by exhaling a cloud of “smoke” made up of a chemical which is both toxic and addictive.
This new product, already being sold and used in many U.S. cities, is called an e-cigarette.
It doesn’t burn tobacco, but it does allow smokers to inhale – and to exhale into the air around them – the addictive substance nicotine which constricts blood vessels, increases the heart rate, and produces other changes in a body (especially in people not accustomed to it).
Most astonishingly, the product is now not subject to any regulation, so we have no way of knowing what other chemicals might also be given off when the user exhales into the air.

ASH to the Rescue


To help protect nonsmokers, and also smokers who might use the product instead of quitting, ASH has filed a formal legal petition demanding that it be regulated by the FDA.
If you don’t want people sitting next to you – in a waiting room, restaurant, bar, or any other area where smoking is now prohibited – using one of these devices to get around smoking bans, and forcing you and your loved ones to inhale deadly nicotine – please help now!
You can help by writing or making a FREE telephone call to the FDA to tell them you want e-cigarettes regulated now to protect both smokers and nonsmokers:

Food and Drug Administration
10903 New Hampshire Ave
Silver Spring, MD 20993-0002

1-888-INFO-FDA (1-888-463-6332)

You can also make the same request online by going to:
Contact FDA
and clicking on:
TOPIC => Medical Devices, Radiation-Emitting Products.
BELOW IS THE COVER PAGE FROM ASH'S FDA PETITION

SUMMARY OF ARGUMENT

I. The FDA has long asserted jurisdiction over nicotine as a “drug,” and over devices which deliver nicotine as “nicotine delivery devices” – e.g., gum, patches, and so-called “smokeless cigarettes.”​

II. Indeed, it successfully asserted jurisdiction over a remarkably similar device known as “Flavor,” which was also a white tube containing nicotine which looked very much like a cigarette.​

III. The only challenge to the FDA’s jurisdiction over nicotine was the Brown case, but that holding was very clearly limited to “tobacco products,” and especially to normal cigarettes defined by federal law as containing tobacco, which Congress has often regulated, and the decision does not apply in any way to tubes containing nicotine.​

IV. Because claims related to health have been made both directly and by implication about the new product, it is clear that it is intended to "affect the structure or any function of the body of man” and is therefore a “drug” under the statutory definition.​

V. Having been put on notice by the wide-spread publicity about the product, a failure to even formally assert jurisdiction could stymy the FDA’s power in the future by legal arguments in the nature of estoppel, latches, lack of clean hands, and unfairness – especially if the agency’s failure to act were challenged in court.​

VI. Any failure by the FDA to react decisively would also seriously undermine its credibility, and do so at a time when it has been widely criticized for failing to take decisive action regarding many other different products also clearly within its jurisdiction.​

VII. Since nicotine is both a deadly and addictive drug, there is at least a reasonable probability that it could be causing harm both to the users – and to others in the vicinity – who inhale the vapor, and therefore the product should be appropriately regulated without further delay.​

VIII. Even if the FDA holds that e-cigarettes’ harmful effects are outweighed by its benefits – as it has with nicotine gum and patches – the FDA may nevertheless find it appropriate to require health-related warnings, and/or limit its sales (e.g., to adults upon presentation of proof of age), etc.​
 

LaceyUnderall

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PW -

From their website:

"Smokers' Breath Can Be Harmful to Health, Especially to Children, the Elderly, and Those Especially Sensitive to Many Chemicals"

In regards to the ecig, on their website as posted by ladyraj, I find it also interesting that they do not have one link to anything backing up what they are saying. Such a shame that companies have to uphold certain standards for their claims, but groups like this don't. Seems like a double standard.
 

Kate

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This is what ASH UK have to say about vaping:

Dear Kate,

First let me say that I agree that "electronic cigarettes" could take
off in a big way and I am as pleased about that as you are. Nicotine is
one of the least harmful components in tobacco but it is the one that
gives most of the pleasure. Far from campaigning against this kind of
product, we have been campaigning for some time for products that give
smokers the rewards they seek from smoking without the harm they cause
themselves and those around them.

I don't know how you feel about the evidence on secondhand smoke but the
scientific and medical consensus is that it is harmful. At the very
least it causes asthma attacks in people with asthma (Asthma UK estimate
that there are around 4 million adults with asthma in the country) but
there is also good evidence that it has a role in cot deaths, in causing
asthma in childhood and most recently, in triggering heart attacks in
adults. One of the great things about these new nicotine products is
that they don't involve smoke.

We've been campaigning for the last couple of years on a simple design
change to cigarettes that will make them go out if they are left
unsmoked and so reduce fire risk somewhat. At the moment almost all
cigarettes in the UK are manufactured in such a way as to ensure that
they will burn their full length. That is good for the tobacco
manufacturers but I can't see how it helps smokers. At best it wastes
your cigarette and at worst it could cause a fire and smoking related
fires are the largest cause of domestic fire deaths in the UK. Smokers
and their families are of course, most at risk particularly those who
live in over-crowded housing. We've been campaigning for "reduced
ignition propensity" cigarettes as they are called, but I agree, the
E-cigarette is safer still as it has no burning end.

We have long been of the view that smokers who are required not to smoke
(mostly in the interest of others) should get society's support in
return. One way to do that is to make it easier for them to stick by
this new law by making safer nicotine products like the E-cigarette more
widely available. This has led some to suggest that we get financial
support from the pharmaceutical industry. That's not true. In fact,
current Nicotine Replacement Therapy is designed and marketed to help
smokers quit, that is fine for smokers who want to quit but smokers who
don't want to quit need something different. A patch can take an hour to
take effect and lasts all day, that might help a smoker who is on a long
haul flight (or one who wants to get through Christmas day with the kids
without going out into the cold for a cigarette) but it doesn't help
with the need for a quick fix in the pub or while taking the kids to
school in the morning. For these smokers, stronger, faster acting
products are needed. Some argue that these are more addictive than the
existing products but, let's face it, they are still less addictive (and
much less harmful) than cigarettes. Pubs and bingo halls could find a
lot of merit in selling these products in vending machines or behind the
bar.

The generally accepted rule is that we should be free to do what we like
as long as it doesn't harm others. The reason the "smokefree debate"
turned out the way it did was because increasingly people recognise that
smoking harms those around us. The same cannot be said of these products
but at the moment they are pretty expensive and not a choice that is
open to poorer smokers. ASH would like to see the price of safer
nicotine products fall so that they are within every smoker's reach.

Finally, as I said above, smokers who replace an occasional cigarette
with one of these products are reducing the harm they cause themselves
from smoking. Who knows, some might even decide that they can quit
completely after all - and that the nicotine products can help them.
Naturally, I would see that as a bonus.

As you rightly state in your email, as an independent charity we cannot
be seen to endorse these products but we are watching their growth of
use with interest.

Kind regards,
Rebecca

Rebecca Kingdom-Kruszewski
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0ogier

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So much for ASH seeing the potential. Wasn't your ASH reply some time ago, Kate? Might they have changed their position, as well? Opposition to e-smoking is popping up left and right, and ASH wouldn't want to be left out of the frenzy.

Now, Now! you may be assuming that ASH may have gotten a sizeable donation from certain quarters to save profit margins. in a good will type of way.

Cynical mode - ON


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GreySaber

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I went to their site...

"Therefore it is reasonable to assume that particle air pollution from smokers’ breath inside homes or workplaces could also be harmful to workers with allergies or other special sensitivities, putting them at risk of asthmatic attacks which could even trigger a cardiac event."

I am going back to analogs.... SO I CAN KILL BY BREATHING ON PEOPLE!! WA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!:evil:
 

ccure

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Sorry, I have to post this:

POTATOES! -- ASH Legal Complaint Hits POTATOES: New Product Poses Dangers For Both EATERS and NON-EATERS

COMING SOON TO A NO- POTATO EATING SECTION WHERE YOU ARE SITTING:

A new device for addicted POTATO EATERS who want to be able to get their nicotine fix by “POTATO EATING” in places where EATING is prohibited, and do so by exhaling a BUNCH of “SMASH POTATO” made up of a chemical which is both toxic and addictive.

This new product, already being sold and used in many U.S. cities, is called FRENCH FRIES.

It doesn’t burn POTATOES, but it does allow EATERS to SALLOW – and to CR*P into the TOILET around them – the addictive substance nicotine which constricts blood vessels, increases the heart rate, and produces other changes in a body (especially in people not accustomed to it).
Most astonishingly, the product is now not subject to any regulation, so we have no way of knowing what other chemicals might also be given off when the user exhales into the air.

ASH to the Rescue!!!!
 

Kate

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So much for ASH seeing the potential. Wasn't your ASH reply some time ago, Kate? Might they have changed their position, as well? Opposition to e-smoking is popping up left and right, and ASH wouldn't want to be left out of the frenzy.

Second-hand vapor -- the newest deadly menace to the innocent.

It was a few months ago TBob, they might well have changed their position.

Such a load of drama queens can really ruin the party :mad:



I have learnt silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers.
- Kahlil Gibran
 

Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah

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Hey Kate, is there any way we can "import" a few level heads from over there and seed our insane government and fringe groups with a bit of sanity?

The entire US is going nutz!!!! How many more idiots are going to squirm out from their rocks to throw rotten tomatoes (that contain nicotine!!!!) at us?


Ranting.......when eye rolling smilies just aren't enough...../end
 
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