What's the (continuing) attraction of mechanical mods?

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My MacPro was assembled in Texas, but there are cases where there are no other options- like most iProducts. When there is a choice, I do not buy PRC made things...

Assembled in Texas, using parts that were manufactured in China. Apple doesn't manufacture anything themselves.


And you like Provari right? Care to guess where the chips on their PCB come from? :evil:
 

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It is for the same reasons that sailors still sail on a tall ships first and writing is still practiced with a fountain pen, it builds character, disicipline and good habits to not take things nonchalantly. They all have their modern equivalents, but without having an understanding of the basics you are simply an user and not master of the trade or craft ...plus find me one box VV/VW that is made from solid stainless steel is my biggest beef with APV mods !

 
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Of course. What makes a mech high quality? Certainly paying $300 is not one of the criteria. Conductive metal + good threading + simple switch = great working mech that will last forever.

You seem to be one of the few that understands the true meaning of the word Quality !
Joe Blow on the street normally associates high price tag as being a quality product, but that is as far from the truth as real quality professional understand the term to be.

This is the proper definition of Quality: When a product or service is able perform as stated and delights the customer to that of one costing more, that product or service is said be of Quality !
 

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PRC manufacturing generally produces poorly made, disposable items of questionable materials, when it comes to low cost things. Giving the working conditions of the shops, it is no wonder why...

Wrong, they produce whatever their client is willing to pay for it, you can blame the corporate greed of US based companies for that !

A company in China produces mods in all price ranges ranging from $5-$300, if the intended retail price tag is $30, the US clients can pick any mode ranging from $1-$30, but they will pick the $5 one instead of the $20 mod so they can maximize profits and blame it on Made in China !

I deal with manufacturing between large corporations in North America and China and I know what they are capable of and the amount of profits that North American companies are making. It is greed on a massive scale with profits ranging from 5000%-8000% !

Just to give you examples of the margins these greedy companies are making you would be outraged and shocked !

6ft HDMI cables: Chinese supplier wanted $0.17usd, we talk him down to $0.12usd and he says Ok and then it retails for $69.99 in the stores.

Car remote fobs for Clifford: We made them here in North America for $0.52usd and say it was too expensive and moved our production to China where they can make it for $0.22usd and then sell it in stores for $79.99

Cell phone chargers for Nokia: made in China for $0.75usd and we sold them at retail for $49.99 at Walmart

Once you understand the greed involved, you will understand why they all moved to China and then blame them for stealing all the jobs here while they line their pockets and wash their hands ...I can go on forever, but you have to do your homework !
 
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Assembled in Texas, using parts that were manufactured in China. Apple doesn't manufacture anything themselves.


And you like Provari right? Care to guess where the chips on their PCB come from? :evil:

Apple parts are made all over...
You may want to watch P. Busardos ProVape vids...
 

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Wrong, they produce whatever their client is willing to pay for it, you can blame the corporate greed of US based companies for that !

A company in China produces mods in all price ranges ranging from $5-$300, if the intended retail price tag is $30, the US clients can pick any mode ranging from $1-$30, but they will pick the $5 one instead of the $20 mod so they can maximize profits and blame it on Made in China !

I deal with manufacturing between large corporations in North America and China and I know what they are capable of and the amount of profits that North American companies are making. It is greed on a massive scale with profits ranging from 5000%-8000% !

Just to give you examples of the margins these greedy companies are making you would be outraged and shocked !

6ft HDMI cables: Chinese supplier wanted $0.17usd, we talk him down to $0.12usd and he says Ok and then it retails for $69.99 in the stores.

Car remote fobs for Clifford: We made them here in North America for $0.52usd and say it was too expensive and moved our production to China where they can make it for $0.22usd and then sell it in stores for $79.99

Cell phone chargers for Nokia: made in China for $0.75usd and we sold them at retail for $49.99 at Walmart

Once you understand the greed involved, you will understand why they all moved to China and then blame them for stealing all the jobs here while they line their pockets and wash their hands ...I can go on forever, but you have to do your homework !

It's consumers who drive price. Most vapers are quite thrifty, it seems, and want $20 Kayfuns...
 

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What's the (continuing) ATTRACTION of Mech. Mods?

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It's consumers who drive price. Most vapers are quite thrifty, it seems, and want $20 Kayfuns...

Consumers have been brainwashed since birth, they even came out with the saying "it is only a buck", how many time have you heard that before ?, it's been drilled into our heads !

By undervaluing the purchasing power of the dollar since birth, these corporations have been able to plant the under evaluation of the worth of the dollar in our heads and over inflate the cost of manufactured goods. Funny how wages are not increasing, but the cost of food and products are even when they are not even made here !

You just have to visit your local dollar store and understand what is going on, it is a microcosm of the real value of the dollar.
If you bought something for $1 at a dollar store, the product costs no more than $0.33, the other $0.33 goes to the importer/distributor and the final portion goes to the retailer. So just imagine what $1 actually buys if they take out the other portions of the profits ?

Sorry to say, but the North American consumer are sheep for the slaughter !
 
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Consumers have been brainwashed since birth, they even came out with the saying "it is only a buck", how many time have you heard that before ?, it's been drilled into our heads !

By undervaluing the purchasing power of the dollar since birth, these corporations have been able to plant the under evaluation of the worth of the dollar in our heads and over inflate the cost of manufactured goods. Funny how wages are not increasing, by the cost food and products are !

You just have to visit your local dollar store and understand what is going, it is a microcosm of the real value of the dollar.
If bought something for $1 at a dollar store, the product costs no more than $0.33, the other $0.33 goes to the importer/distributor and the final portion goes the retailer.

I don't care what a particular company earns on any given product. If an item is worth what it costs to me, I buy it. I don't like cheaply made things, so choose what I buy carefully and save for more expensive things, rather than hoard a lot of junk I don't really want or need...
 

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I don't care what a particular company earns on any given product. If an item is worth what it costs to me, I buy it. I don't like cheaply made things, so choose what I buy carefully and save for more expensive things, rather than hoard a lot of junk I don't really want or need...

Any idiot company can make something good if it is overpriced, but it takes a good company to make something good at a lower price ...that is the true essence of the term Quality ...to make a better and lower costing product every other year !

This is why Toyota and Honda killed the American auto industry and why the Koreans like Hyundai is going to kill the Japanese auto industry and so on !

The American that America did not listen to !

 
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Any idiot company can make something good if it is overpriced, but it takes a good company to make something good at a lower price ...that is the true essence of the term Quality ...to make a better and lower costing product every other year !

This is why Toyota and Honda killed the American auto industry and why the Koreans like Hyundai is going to kill the Japanese auto industry and so on !

'Overpriced' for some is just right, for others. I only wear Allen Edmonds dress and casual shoes. They are very comfortable, re-craftable and extremely well made. I could buy 3 pairs of PRC made shoes for the price of one pair of AE, but the comfort, craftsmanship and longevity are worth the price, for me...

Unions killed American brand cars, not American made Hondas and Toyotas...
 

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"Better" is a subjective, opinionated variant and lower cost, in your example, is due to lower production costs... How on earth did this become an economics debate, anyway?

What's the attraction with mechanical mods? They look sexy. They don't contain cheaply assembled chips and wires that are bound to fail. And did I mention that they look sexy?

I'm not in any hurry to buy another mech anytime soon, but I surely will eventually... Right now my girlfriend has a King clone that is made out of solid brass that I am absolutely in love with. It looks great, it has a nice solid feel to it, the threading is smooth as butter, and it as a double-adjustable center pin that can be adjusted to fit any battery or 510 without any wiggle room. Best part? I paid $16 for it, and it came with a little zipper case too.
 

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'Overpriced' for some is just right, for others. I only wear Allen Edmonds dress and casual shoes. They are very comfortable, re-craftable and extremely well made. I could buy 3 pairs of PRC made shoes for the price of one pair of AE, but the comfort, craftsmanship and longevity are worth the price, for me...

Unions killed American brand cars, not American made Hondas and Toyotas...

If you really believe that, then there is no hope for America, you just have to compare an American made car to a Japanese made one in the 80's and if you can't tell the difference in workmanship then you won't be able to tell anything, this is just becoming an issue of nepotism !
 

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If you really believe that, then there is no hope for America, you just have to compare an American made car to a Japanese made one in the 80's and if you can't tell the difference in workmanship then you won't be able to tell anything, this is just becoming an issue of nepotism !

I don't have examples of vehicles from the 80's, but I have seen a PRC Kayfun and German Kayfun, and the differences were glaring...

Nepotism is one of the biggest problems with UAW...
 

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If company A and company B set out to make a similar product but company A's employees demand a 60% higher salary than either some sacrifices will have to be made in production quality, price of final product will be substantially higher, or a combination of both.

FWIW, I have owned 3 GM vehicles made in the 1990's and two out of three have made it to or close to 200,000 miles without the need for any repair costing more than about $200 (and one is being driven every day and on it's way there). I have no desire to own a foreign car because parts cost more and are harder to find, they are harder for me to work on, and because economic trends have zero impact on an individuals taste.
 

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I only wear Allen Edmonds dress and casual shoes. They are very comfortable, re-craftable and extremely well made.

We're going back to my statement about *quality* in the clone topic. When shoes are leather soled, leather uppers, as well as leather-lined, there is a huge difference in quality, longevity, and wearability.........not to mention comfort. And they are repairable at the cobbler, and last years and years.

I've stuck my foot into a pair of cheapie walmart shoes...........ouch! Or Sketchers, etc. I don't know now people do it, I really don't. I suspect it is because they never had their foot in a pair of well-made shoes so they have nothing to compare it to.....

and they will just think only elitists spend $400 on a pair of good Italian made leather shoes. It's not about price, except that well made things do cost more, but you get your money's worth, and they last forever.
 

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You seem to be one of the few that understands the true meaning of the word Quality !
Joe Blow on the street normally associates high price tag as being a quality product

Quality is a dying concept in a world of dollar stores. Nike shoes cost $120........not even close to worth it.

I do agree with you though, that PRC is CAPABLE of making quality......it's just that that is not what we are going to them for. We want stuff that is cheap and that can be marked up 1,000 times. I buy a phone battery on Ebay directly from china for $2. My local Radio Shack wants $30 for the same battery.

These hiking sandals I have, Chacos.......they used to be made in Colorado. They are made in China now, and if i showed you one from Colorado and one from China, you can see the VAST difference. It isn't that the china factory can't make the same shoes they made in Colorado.......it's that the company realized they can use cheaper materials, make the soles a tad thinner, (cut little corners that they think the consumer won't notice) and still sell them for same price. So, they give the chinese manufacturer different specifications. Not the same ones that were in use in Colorado.

Outcome: MORE PROFIT FOR THE U.S. CORPORATION.
 
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