What's the (continuing) attraction of mechanical mods?

[tj99959]

Quality products have one problem .... you don't replace them often enough for a company to survive long term.

The American auto industry was built on the premise that you replace your car every three years. The Japanese auto industry was built on the premise that you replace your car every ten years. .... and that killed the American auto industry, and will eventually kill the Japanese auto industry.

 

[Asbestos4004]

So, someone saw Busardo's tour of the ProVape factory and says "all I can say is I'll never buy a ProVape product. "
That's pretty funny, right there. There's more QC going on in there than there is at the pacemaker factory. Are you seriously that against a quality device built in America? Or are you just being a tool...

 

[Completely Average]

I don't have examples of vehicles from the 80's, but I have seen a PRC Kayfun and German Kayfun, and the differences were glaring...

I've got an authentic Svoemesto Kayfun 3.1 and an Hcigar Kayfun 3.1 and I can assure you that without carefully inspecting the logo and knowing exactly what you're looking for you cannot tell the difference. In fact I would be willing to bet that with the logo hidden you would say the Hcigar is the authentic because the pieces fit together so well you cannot see the seams while the Svoemesto has visible seam lines between the pieces.

I would say the same thing about my Hcigar Nemesis as well. I've held and used the real one. The firing button on mine has smoother movement and less throw.

The parts on both of these clones are interchangeable with the real thing, and you can't tell the difference between the real parts and the clones, with the exception of slight differences in the logo if you know what to look for.

 

[440BB]

I am sorry to see a thread in the New Members subforum asking about mechanicals versus VV/VW get completely derailed by a person criticizing China.

 

[vapero]

I don't have examples of vehicles from the 80's, but I have seen a PRC Kayfun and German Kayfun, and the differences were glaring...

Nepotism is one of the biggest problems with UAW...

a mech mod is as simple as it gets, sure, QC in china may not be as good as USA (but what does quality control mean??? it doesn't mean that they are better made, it just means that there is someone checking for defects so the bad ones don't go into sale, if you would go into a chinese mod factory vs an usa based I bet you will see bad mods coming out on both parts, but china usually sells them...) that said once you receive your mech, either from china, philipines, greece or the us and the threads and the button is perfect, it will stay that way for a long time.

all my mods are chinese clones and I buy them from fasttech, every single mod has been perfect from the start, some of the atties have had their defects but fasttech stands behind their products and takes care of the issues, I've compared my clones to originals and I honestly can't see a difference in quality.

you are being xenophobic and stereotyping

as it was said before, china is the manufacturing plant of the world and they just make what we ask for, from the worst quality stuff to the best

 

[mauricem00]

I use mechanical mods because I want something that is durable and reliable. electronic circuits in VV/VW mods can short out or stop working with out warning and the pass transistor in them can explode. similar to the silicon detonator used in your cars air bags and the high speed detonators use in compression explosives.a short in a mechanical mod may be a problem for sub-ohmers who push their batteries to the limits but for the average vapor they are not a serous risk.

 

[vapero]

I use mechanical mods because I want something that is durable and reliable. electronic circuits in VV/VW mods can short out or stop working with out warning and the pass transistor in them can explode. similar to the silicon detonator used in your cars air bags and the high speed detonators use in compression explosives.a short in a mechanical mod may be a problem for sub-ohmers who push their batteries to the limits but for the average vapor they are not a serous risk.

thermal runaway is the problem of sub-ohmers, a short is a short and doesn't matter if you are using a .1ohm or a 3 ohms setup

 

[stevegmu]

a mech mod is as simple as it gets, sure, QC in china may not be as good as USA (but what does quality control mean??? it doesn't mean that they are better made, it just means that there is someone checking for defects so the bad ones don't go into sale, if you would go into a chinese mod factory vs an usa based I bet you will see bad mods coming out on both parts, but china usually sells them...) that said once you receive your mech, either from china, philipines, greece or the us and the threads and the button is perfect, it will stay that way for a long time.

all my mods are chinese clones and I buy them from fasttech, every single mod has been perfect from the start, some of the atties have had their defects but fasttech stands behind their products and takes care of the issues, I've compared my clones to originals and I honestly can't see a difference in quality.

you are being xenophobic and stereotyping

as it was said before, china is the manufacturing plant of the world and they just make what we ask for, from the worst quality stuff to the best

I also don't like Chinese food; just American style Chinese food...
English is my main GF's 3rd language, but I bet she knows what xenophobic means...

Price-point manufacturing- as in the case of PRC mods dictates quality, or lack thereof. People who are only willing to pay $20 for a mod overlook flaws and the need to tinker...

I'm sure a China mod maker could make an original, well-designed mod with quality metals and the highest machining. People here would buy the 'clone'...

 

[AndriaD]

So, someone saw Busardo's tour of the ProVape factory and says "all I can say is I'll never buy a ProVape product. "
That's pretty funny, right there. There's more QC going on in there than there is at the pacemaker factory. Are you seriously that against a quality device built in America? Or are you just being a tool...

I didn't see that -- what was his reason for that statement?

Andria

 

[Asbestos4004]

He gave no reason....it was a few posts back. Pg 22?

 

[AndriaD]

He gave no reason....it was a few posts back. Pg 22?

Strange; he's quirky for sure, but he usually seems to have a good reason for anything he says about e-cig hardware. And of course P'varis are supposed to be the solid-gold cadillacs of vapeware.

Andria

 

[EdT586]

Quality is a dying concept in a world of dollar stores. Nike shoes cost $120........not even close to worth it.

I do agree with you though, that PRC is CAPABLE of making quality......it's just that that is not what we are going to them for. We want stuff that is cheap and that can be marked up 1,000 times. I buy a phone battery on Ebay directly from china for $2. My local Radio Shack wants $30 for the same battery.

These hiking sandals I have, Chacos.......they used to be made in Colorado. They are made in China now, and if i showed you one from Colorado and one from China, you can see the VAST difference. It isn't that the china factory can't make the same shoes they made in Colorado.......it's that the company realized they can use cheaper materials, make the soles a tad thinner, (cut little corners that they think the consumer won't notice) and still sell them for same price. So, they give the chinese manufacturer different specifications. Not the same ones that were in use in Colorado.

Outcome: MORE PROFIT FOR THE U.S. CORPORATION.

More profits, easy money, less work, less headaches without employees and factory to contend with ...who as a businessman wouldn't want that ?
Problem is 10-20 years down road, your nation's know how and manufacturing prowess is non-exsistant and you will keep buying from one that is capable to manufacture. The money just keeps bleeding out and you keep buying on credit with nothing to sell back ...North America and Europe's situation in a nutshell with the exception of Germany, but even that is changing as BMWs, VWs and Audis are being churned out by the hundreds of thousands in China !

Many of the mech mods clones are very good quality, they just need to pay some more attention to the handling so it doesn't get scratched or nicked and a little more effort in the finishing to smooth the edges out and they would put those overpriced so called original mods to shame !

 

[EdT586]

So, someone saw Busardo's tour of the ProVape factory and says "all I can say is I'll never buy a ProVape product. "
That's pretty funny, right there. There's more QC going on in there than there is at the pacemaker factory. Are you seriously that against a quality device built in America? Or are you just being a tool...

That is because you like 99% of the Joe Blow consumer don't understand what Quality really means or what is good acceptable manufacturing practices.

All I see in Provape's factory is waste and bad manufacturing practices. They might seems to impress the layman on the streets, but to someone with a trained eye in manufacturing, it is a wasteful and non efficient operation. The electronics part of the footage would not even pass IPC Class 1, the soldering is just horrendous, the operators are not wearing ESD protection etc...

They are basically selective picking out good units from the bad and this is the reason why their product is so expensive because all the cost(material and labor) of the bad/rejected units are now absorb into the so called good units and have not understood the lesson taught by Dr. Edward Deming ....that is not Quality ...that is stupidity !

Just watch PBarsardo's Kanger and Aspire plant tours, now that is a world class operation ...affordable quality goods to the masses !

 

[stevegmu]

That is because you like 99% of the Joe Blow consumer don't understand what Quality really means or what is good acceptable manufacturing practices.
All I see in Provape's factory is waste and bad manufacturing practices. They might seems to impress the layman on the streets, but to someone with a trained eye in manufacturing, it is a wasteful and non efficient operation. They are basically selective picking out good units from the bad and this is reason why their product is so expensive because all the bad/rejected units are now absorb into the so called good units and have not understood the lesson taught by Dr. Edward Deming ....that is not Quality ...that is stupidity !

I work for a manufacturing giant, and ProVape's QC is very similar to ours. Products are checked at every step and hand they go through. We pride ourselves on out DPPM...

If you think $149.95 for a mod is so expensive, there's nothing further to say. We live in completely different worlds...

 

[AndriaD]

I worked as a QC Inspector in a plastic blowmolding plant in the early 90's... until I was made "superfluous" -- they completely did away with all QC, and I think this is the trend nowadays -- who cares about quality, just make MILLIONS of the gadgets, some of them will be ok.

Andria

 

[tj99959]

That is because you like 99% of the Joe Blow consumer don't understand what Quality really means or what is good acceptable manufacturing practices.

All I see in Provape's factory is waste and bad manufacturing practices. They might seems to impress the layman on the streets, but to someone with a trained eye in manufacturing, it is a wasteful and non efficient operation. The electronics part of the footage would not even pass IPC Class 1, the soldering is just horrendous, the operators are not wearing ESD protection etc...

They are basically selective picking out good units from the bad and this is the reason why their product is so expensive because all the cost(material and labor) of the bad/rejected units are now absorb into the so called good units and have not understood the lesson taught by Dr. Edward Deming ....that is not Quality ...that is stupidity !

Just watch PBarsardo's Kanger and Aspire plant tours, now that is a world class operation ...affordable quality goods to the masses !

You would be surprised by the number of engineering & IT degrees on this forum.

 

[Asbestos4004]

That is because you like 99% of the Joe Blow consumer don't understand what Quality really means or what is good acceptable manufacturing practices.

All I see in Provape's factory is waste and bad manufacturing practices. They might seems to impress the layman on the streets, but to someone with a trained eye in manufacturing, it is a wasteful and non efficient operation. The electronics part of the footage would not even pass IPC Class 1, the soldering is just horrendous, the operators are not wearing ESD protection etc...

They are basically selective picking out good units from the bad and this is the reason why their product is so expensive because all the cost(material and labor) of the bad/rejected units are now absorb into the so called good units and have not understood the lesson taught by Dr. Edward Deming ....that is not Quality ...that is stupidity !

Just watch PBarsardo's Kanger and Aspire plant tours, now that is a world class operation ...affordable quality goods to the masses !

You have a poster of yourself in your house...don't you? Admit it.

 

[coolerat]

Sitting here vaping on a Stingray knockoff that just followed me home. Its in 350 mode with a Nautilus mini (no fashion police here in the house). It makes the iStick 30w sitting next to it look like some kind of ginormous monstrosity. With a dripper its even smaller.

I like it.

I can't understand why people only like one or the other. I love them all.

On the China stuff in the newb forum?? I love it. Just cause we are new to the forum doesn't mean we are new to the VV/mech debate. Or the china debate. Or arguing.

China makes some good stuff. And some cheap stuff. To say it one or the other is at the least wrong and maybe something more. I'm a woodworker and in that field most, nearly all, tools are made in China. As are the tools that made the tools. I've paid 1000's of dollars for stuff made in China. And 15 bucks for a mod. Just cause the mod isn't perfect has nothing to do with the drum sander. At my day job we have motors made in China that run 24/7 for years without any problems. And I've had screwdrivers from China break tightening up the little screw on my eyeglasses.

 

[Thrasher]

Just watch PBarsardo's Kanger and Aspire plant tours, now that is a world class operation ...affordable quality goods to the masses !

Yup, you are so right!

Only the highest quality tanks can garner page after page of complaints about leaking, burning, shorting and inconsistant coils like that!

Kanger
Joyetech
Smoke
Page
After
Page
After
Page
After
Page
Of constant complaints regarding consistency and quality

Your argument is pure BS a pretty factory doesn't mean a perfect product, your the exact pidgeon they hope to impress with their shiney floors and 70 hour a week labor camps.

Say what you want about provape, I don't care how they do it, cause for every 1 post you can find complaining about a provari ( which are far and few) I can match with 100 posts about a single Chinese device.

In 5 years I can't ever remember a provari shorting out and catching fire or exploding like an ego, China can't say that

 

[tehmidcap]

We can all agree that there are some poorly made authentic as well as some very well made clones.

With clones it's always a gamble... I have three that I bought from vape vendors on eBay. One is great, one is subpar, and the other is fine (not bad but not perfect). But I spent about $50 for all three and I think the gamble was worth it. With my income buying a metal tube with some threads,a spring, and some conductive elements is simply not worth $200... But I understand the appeal to some.

If clones were always garbage consumers would figure it out n stop buying. Then maybe authentics would be cheaper... But if they were cheap junk would they really continue to steal sales from authentics?