What's the next evolution is E cigs?
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It's inevitable something like that is going to happen, I am guessing the bigger vendors are resorting to using couriers like UPS who have their own customs or freight services to get all the juice through at the moment.
Indeed, as was acknowledged in the Vapy Awards, 2009 was the year of the more powerful battery. In most cases, this has been a battery housing for generic batteries. But the year ended with the release of the eGO – a unique 600 mAh battery. [I've not heard it described as such, but, in brown, it would be a perfect e-cigar.]
There will continue to be refinements and they'll get slimmer and slimmer, but, to a great extent, that hurdle was jumped this past year.
Next!
The closest our industry has come to Deschain's "Solid Juice Slugs" is the cartomizer. I just don't happen to like the taste of Kr8 carts (many people do seem to like them). GreenCig carts, for me, are splendid. They are, however, rather expensive. But even Kr8 carts are too expensive for most of us to be truly disposable. Improve them and drive down the price and I suspect they will predominate.
And the cartomizer models are the ones with the potential to grab public acceptance. Not just early adopter oddball gadget freaks like us. [Said with affection and self included.]
I mean cleaning atomizers, blue foaming carts, and/or dripping e-liquid are all a bit much for someone who just wants a smoke!
In the short term – and for me personally – all I want is a reliable, consistent penstyle atty! At the top of its form, I love it. But I've got many more mediocre (or fast dying) 801/4072/112/201 attys than superb ones. [The 801 atty I'm vaping now is my last really good one (of any model). When it dies, I will renew my quest. Next up: the Joye302. Will it be my dream come true? Fingers crossed. I'll let you know.
There will continue to be refinements and they'll get slimmer and slimmer, but, to a great extent, that hurdle was jumped this past year.
Next!
Thanks, Thulium. But I think Deschain may be on to something here:
A 10 ml bottle of juice inside what, for many of us, is still a cigarette substitute is a bit klunky. But certainly we (i.e., those modder guys) have got to come up with a more effective juice-delivery system, whatever its size or shape or technology."Solid Juice Slugs" - No mess, no fuss, no leakage, no waste - Just shove a slug into your cart and vape away until it's gone.
The closest our industry has come to Deschain's "Solid Juice Slugs" is the cartomizer. I just don't happen to like the taste of Kr8 carts (many people do seem to like them). GreenCig carts, for me, are splendid. They are, however, rather expensive. But even Kr8 carts are too expensive for most of us to be truly disposable. Improve them and drive down the price and I suspect they will predominate.
And the cartomizer models are the ones with the potential to grab public acceptance. Not just early adopter oddball gadget freaks like us. [Said with affection and self included.]
I mean cleaning atomizers, blue foaming carts, and/or dripping e-liquid are all a bit much for someone who just wants a smoke!
In the short term – and for me personally – all I want is a reliable, consistent penstyle atty! At the top of its form, I love it. But I've got many more mediocre (or fast dying) 801/4072/112/201 attys than superb ones. [The 801 atty I'm vaping now is my last really good one (of any model). When it dies, I will renew my quest. Next up: the Joye302. Will it be my dream come true? Fingers crossed. I'll let you know.
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I haven't seen that Ego before, if they could make a 600mah battery the size of a KR8 one, that would be insane.
that would be DEVO !
A new type of Atty needs to be designed IMO
Also Autofeed of some sort
A new type of Atty needs to be designed IMO
Also Autofeed of some sort
But isn't the "slug" idea basically what the Ploom is? I'm interested in trying the Ploom, but I haven't seen evidence that I'd like it any better than what we're using already... but who knows? Maybe somebody who's tried it could chime in?
I think the newest thing will be standardized versions of more powerful batteries. While they're already here in the form of mods, I think we're going to see more models like the eGo commercially available.
That said, I do agree with a lot of this thread, especially the juice taxes and improved attys. The community's growing pretty quickly, I think, and the world's going to react accordingly.
That said, I do agree with a lot of this thread, especially the juice taxes and improved attys. The community's growing pretty quickly, I think, and the world's going to react accordingly.
longer lasting, better hitting atomizers! The batteries are fine with me IMO, but its the consistency of the attys that get me down. And a good cart, like you said, full of nothing but juice. mmmmm, juice.
For outside the box ideas in the next generation: 1 piece single use pre-charged recycleables, available in convenience stores nationwide. MSRP $1.99 + $10 deposit.
No fuss. No learning curve. No smoke.
EDIT: To make it a little more unique: It should use an automatic battery that operates on a 5 minute timer. (It should permit "chain vaping" but you have re-LED every 5 minutes to keep track of how much you're using) Or rather than a timer, some sort of counter.
To get totally 2010-style futuristic: A bluetooth connection to your smart phone to track your usage--"there's an app for that"
No fuss. No learning curve. No smoke.
EDIT: To make it a little more unique: It should use an automatic battery that operates on a 5 minute timer. (It should permit "chain vaping" but you have re-LED every 5 minutes to keep track of how much you're using) Or rather than a timer, some sort of counter.
To get totally 2010-style futuristic: A bluetooth connection to your smart phone to track your usage--"there's an app for that"
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I'd never heard of the Ploom; thanks for drawing my/our attention to it, Thulium! I checked out their website. Slick, but no videos and all products are "coming soon." The photos seem to be promoting it as a fashion accessory. I'm not sure anyone has tried them other than a few models, none of whom actually vape them.
And it is not an electronic cigarette. The pods contain actual tobacco (with PG and VG), powered by butane: a miniture Iolite. A gadget that combines a cigarette with a butane lighter.
"Ploom Pods are single-serving tobacco and non-tobacco capsules." At 50¢ per pod – and if "single-serving" means equivalent to one analog cigarette – that's $10 for a pack of cigarettes.
I'll pass, thank you.
But take "pods" approximately that size, make them more like gel capsules, fill them with ~3 ml of e-liquid and you have something like Deschain's slug – an all-day vape.
Yep. The more I think about it, the more Carlos' atomizer seems to be the most significant aspect of his Juice Box. Stick that on something like eGO's battery and I'll drip with contentment until someone invents the slug.
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While I generally like the idea of "more powerful batteries".. to be honest with you they're really not necessary. The current problem IMHO is the "recharge" mechanism.
If our current batteries brought the recharge connections out to the LED end (concentric rings, inductive coil, center-pole contact.. whatever) then you could have a desk receptacle that you could set your PV in between vapes, LED end first. The PV will trickle recharge without disassembly. Since vape time is far less than non-vape time (duty cycle) the battery will always be charged if you use the "charging holder" (your new ashtray).
For mobile use, the new PCC will simply have a hole in the top of it. In between vapes you slide the assembled PV into the hole (LED end first), it connects to the internal charger and refreshes the battery.
You wouldn't change batteries until the unit failed to hold a charge.
This is a really easy product design change that doesn't require any new technology or additional cost.
P.S. Frankly, the "unscrew the battery to put it in the charger" configuration of the traditional PV is pretty stupid.
If our current batteries brought the recharge connections out to the LED end (concentric rings, inductive coil, center-pole contact.. whatever) then you could have a desk receptacle that you could set your PV in between vapes, LED end first. The PV will trickle recharge without disassembly. Since vape time is far less than non-vape time (duty cycle) the battery will always be charged if you use the "charging holder" (your new ashtray).
For mobile use, the new PCC will simply have a hole in the top of it. In between vapes you slide the assembled PV into the hole (LED end first), it connects to the internal charger and refreshes the battery.
You wouldn't change batteries until the unit failed to hold a charge.
This is a really easy product design change that doesn't require any new technology or additional cost.
P.S. Frankly, the "unscrew the battery to put it in the charger" configuration of the traditional PV is pretty stupid.
Juice available in shops, so like now when away from home and forgotten to take enough I can just pop out and buy some.
And of course decent batteries, we all dream of that (maybe ones that can power my vape, car, motorcycle all in one matchstick sized package and charges in 30 seconds). OK i'l dream on
Happy new year all
MP
And of course decent batteries, we all dream of that (maybe ones that can power my vape, car, motorcycle all in one matchstick sized package and charges in 30 seconds). OK i'l dream on
Happy new year all
MP
Simple and brilliant, patent the idea scotbee then sell it to our chinese friends, its something thats easily made for the manufacturers.
MP
I'd like to see an e-juice cart that operates without batting of any kind. Just the juice. That would make life easier for everyone.
That's the way that the ZFM mod works. And it works pretty well.
Would love to see a manufacturer perfect that system.
How about a spherical tip for the battery and a mating recess in the charger, to minimize alignment requirements?
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