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UPDATE 8/18/2016
WOO-HOO!!! A TRI-FECTA!!!
Two, count 'em TWO articles for PRO-VAPING!!! YEAH!!! Left hand page, middle and bottom. 
The bottom one is my original article, the one that started this thread and the article in the middle may of may not be from someone I know, "intimately". 
The People's Paper August 2016 (Pg. 9)
Rounding out the Tri-Fecta is the composite film review as it appears in the Make A Scene, arts & entertainment section of the monthly local free press paper.
Make A Scene August 2016 (Pg. 12)
Just as rewarding is the fact that there were NO, ZERO, ZILCH flaming rebuttals to my first submission, last month. In fact, The ANTZ orgs. I have been riding roughshod on have pulled their Anti vaping/protect the children ads, at least for this month, and replaced them with "Contact us for FREE NRT's".
Be patient, it takes awhile for the pages to load, at least on my system. Then turn back to the cover to see the "new" approach the ANTZ are taking. There's also an article on page two or three from the woman who heads the American Lung Assc. locally (McGee, Pg. 3, Clean Air Offered...), that goes into "How nice it was to enjoy the 4th. of July parade and smell the clover because our area has pushed so hard to be "smoke free" and second hand smoke and blah, blah, blah. And YES, I'm already gearing up for that one!
I'll also be calling the Editor to thank him for publishing all THREE submissions!!! Thanks to all of you who are following along. Write editorials for your local papers and MAKE SOME FREAKIN' NOISE!!! Stand up and fight the good fight!!!Vapers Unite!
Von Vape
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@Von Vape that is FAN-FREAKING-TASTIC!
Hum, where is my post complimenting your success? Oh well, on my phone amd hard to refresh. Anyhoo, I found your wonderful articles on page 8, both fantastic! And the movie review? Words can't express 
There is my previous post... ^^
There is my previous post... ^^
Awesome, awesome, awesome!! Good job, Von! Woohoo! That woman's articles are so lame. How many times does she bring up her children & smoke free?
I give up. First it was giving me a lot of things for baylor scott and white and something else in texas........then after much clicking, I found the article and got it big enough to barely make out your name.......but the one time I got it big enough to be able to read it, it cut off part of the article. But yea!!!! So glad you got 2 articles in the same issue!!!
But yea!!!! So glad you got 2 articles in the same issue!!!I give up. First it was giving me a lot of things for baylor scott and white and something else in texas........then after much clicking, I found the article and got it big enough to barely make out your name.......but the one time I got it big enough to be able to read it, it cut off part of the article.
(Kenna may be right, you might have a patience issue.
Still luv ya though. )You are spot on Kenna, I questioned whether I was "reading too much into it" but both the "The State Fair Is Smoke Free This Year" ad on the front page and her personal article are packed with "NA-NAH, NA-NAH, NA-NAH, Take THAT, VAPERS!"
I don't know how anyone can call themselves a "professional" or hold themselves up as the moral compass of a community with a childish attitude like that. 
The scent of clover may be a pleasant one but the smell of arrogance is not. (Hmmm, that's not bad! Any suggestions/contributions along those lines are welcome. )Thank you everyone. Just doin' what I can to try and help the cause.
Vapers Unite!
Von Vape Thank you @clnire .
I wanted to add that I had a wonderful half hour conversation with one of the paper's staff today when I called to thank them for publishing the article(s) and the film review. During that conversation, I told him I noticed there were no flaming rebuttals to my previous submission and wondered why. He told me that the organizations complained vehemently over the phone but would not put anything in writing. When I pressed him on why, he told me that he explained to them that they were more than welcome to rebut my opinion in writing but they couldn't because what I had written was THE TRUTH and backed up with FACTS & DOCUMENTATION. He went on to say, "You see, if you're dealing with "social media" it's very easy for random entities to troll your posts without backing the trolling up with facts and documentation. Once it is printed in black and white, in a newspaper, whatever you've said is unretract-able. There's a finality to it and you'd better be able to back it up. Printed opinions are very permanent and final. The articles you've written are backed up with documentation and facts and they CAN NOT refute that without making up PROPOGANDA, that's exactly what it is, and all they have to offer. That's why you aren't getting flamed."
Pay VERY CLOSE attention to the staffer's statement. "WE" may have been taking the wrong approach to this by using "social media". Maybe we need to go OLD SCHOOL and write all of the fact based and documented editorials we can. Once our message is in black and white in a newspaper there is NO WAY the ANTZ can respond without LYING and then being exposed in the very next edition. The days of millions of pairs of eyes on a newspaper are not dead and if you can get though those eyes to the brain behind them, it's a step in the right direction. When they see the facts & documentation and no rebuttals that can't be shot full of holes, it WILL start to sink in. You DO have to be prepared to respond though. 
Whodathunk this clunky old thing called the printing press just might be the savior of such a modern technology??? I'm going to start submitting articles to the Juneau, Fairbanks and Anchorage DAILY papers as well! Tell everyone you can to write their Senators and Congressmen, not about HR 2058 or the Cole Bishop amendment but to DIRECTLY, and in no uncertain terms, ASK them, quite simply, "DO YOU SUPPORT VAPOR PRODUCTS AND THE VAPING COMMUNITY OR NOT?" Explain to them that they will get a stonewall run around and "form letters" redirecting them to "familiarize yourself with HR 2058 "here" and that they need to keep hammering away at their representatives until they get an answer, weekly if necessary. Lets face it, that's all any of us has gotten back, stonewalling and redirection and that's NOT what we want the answer to anyway. What we want to know is, "DO YOU SUPPORT VAPOR PRODUCT AND THE VAPING COMMUNITY OR NOT?". It's THAT simple! From there, guess who might have a chance of getting re-elected and who might NOT. Not to sound like a broken record BUT, STAND UP! Fight The Good Fight!
Vapers Unite!
Von Vape
I wanted to add that I had a wonderful half hour conversation with one of the paper's staff today when I called to thank them for publishing the article(s) and the film review. During that conversation, I told him I noticed there were no flaming rebuttals to my previous submission and wondered why. He told me that the organizations complained vehemently over the phone but would not put anything in writing. When I pressed him on why, he told me that he explained to them that they were more than welcome to rebut my opinion in writing but they couldn't because what I had written was THE TRUTH and backed up with FACTS & DOCUMENTATION. He went on to say, "You see, if you're dealing with "social media" it's very easy for random entities to troll your posts without backing the trolling up with facts and documentation. Once it is printed in black and white, in a newspaper, whatever you've said is unretract-able. There's a finality to it and you'd better be able to back it up. Printed opinions are very permanent and final. The articles you've written are backed up with documentation and facts and they CAN NOT refute that without making up PROPOGANDA, that's exactly what it is, and all they have to offer. That's why you aren't getting flamed."
Pay VERY CLOSE attention to the staffer's statement. "WE" may have been taking the wrong approach to this by using "social media". Maybe we need to go OLD SCHOOL and write all of the fact based and documented editorials we can. Once our message is in black and white in a newspaper there is NO WAY the ANTZ can respond without LYING and then being exposed in the very next edition. The days of millions of pairs of eyes on a newspaper are not dead and if you can get though those eyes to the brain behind them, it's a step in the right direction. When they see the facts & documentation and no rebuttals that can't be shot full of holes, it WILL start to sink in.
You DO have to be prepared to respond though. Whodathunk this clunky old thing called the printing press just might be the savior of such a modern technology???
I'm going to start submitting articles to the Juneau, Fairbanks and Anchorage DAILY papers as well! Tell everyone you can to write their Senators and Congressmen, not about HR 2058 or the Cole Bishop amendment but to DIRECTLY, and in no uncertain terms, ASK them, quite simply, "DO YOU SUPPORT VAPOR PRODUCTS AND THE VAPING COMMUNITY OR NOT?" Explain to them that they will get a stonewall run around and "form letters" redirecting them to "familiarize yourself with HR 2058 "here" and that they need to keep hammering away at their representatives until they get an answer, weekly if necessary. Lets face it, that's all any of us has gotten back, stonewalling and redirection and that's NOT what we want the answer to anyway. What we want to know is, "DO YOU SUPPORT VAPOR PRODUCT AND THE VAPING COMMUNITY OR NOT?". It's THAT simple! From there, guess who might have a chance of getting re-elected and who might NOT. Not to sound like a broken record BUT, STAND UP! Fight The Good Fight!Vapers Unite!
Von Vape
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Okay, on to the meat and potatoes. After a lot of research I came up with this response to Mr. Crowley-Bell's article. Your input is welcomed. Keep in mind I have already exceeded the "word limit" by nearly 90 words. Thanks everyone, hope you all like it.
First, the Crowley-Bell article (not McGee as stated earlier)The People's Paper August 2016 pg. #3
Okay, now my response............
In his bucolic article describing the scent of clover and fresh air, Mr. Crowley-Bell may have inadvertently perpetuated a lie in saying, “Our Alaska State Fair has chosen to stand by the irrefutable science that second hand smoke is not just inconvenient or smelly: it’s deadly and effects the health of those who are exposed to it” (The State Fair chose to do this at the suggestion of Breathe Free Mat-Su) Perhaps he simply repeated the lie that has been told so many times for so long that it has become a pseudo truth. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Three examples of studies refuting the irrefutable are;
The Enstrom – Kabat study on the effects of second hand smoke on never smokers. This study concluded; “The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.”http://www.bmj.com/content/326/7398/1057 (The Study)
A New England Journal of Medicine study found that even back in 1975--when having smoke puffed into your face was ubiquitous in restaurants, cocktail lounges, and transportation lounges--the concentration was equal to merely four one thousandths of one cigarette an hour. In scientific terminology, that's a "tiny amount."
Similar conclusions were reached by the World Health Organization, which concluded in 1998 after a seven-year study that the correlation between secondhand smoking and lung cancer was not statistically significant.
The Enstrom – Kabat Study is of particular interest because it spanned nearly four decades and involved over 110,000 participants. It was initially funded by the American Cancer Society and supported by the anti-smoking Tobacco Related Disease Research Program. However, when the results did not support the ACS/TRDRP’s desired outcome, their funding was pulled and they set out to discredit Enstrom and Kabat, both highly regarded epidemiologists at UCLA and State University of New York, respectively. Also noteworthy is that both gentlemen were staunch anti tobacco, never smokers. The research was completed at UCLA and published in the British Journal of Medicine in 2003. As a result of the attempts to discredit them, Engstrom was forced to defend their position in this document; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2164936/ (Enstrom’s defense of the study)
No one can deny that smoking is smelly and inconvenient to many non smokers but to perpetuate a known falsehood, supported only by what Enstrom refers to as Lysenko pseudoscience and to use the protect the children tactic as pawns to demonize smokers is deplorable and self righteous.
Worse yet, the anti tobacco organizations are now applying the same tactics to vapers and the modern vapor industry and have successfully lobbied The Alaska State Fair to be “Smoke and Aerosol (*Vapor*) Free” this year. They could have said vapor but that doesn’t sound near as scary or harmful as aerosol. The anti tobacco organizations will argue, “Vapor products have been deemed by the FDA to be tobacco products as of 8/8/16 and therefore we are allowed to regulate them as such.”
While technically accurate, one has to consider the definition of “Deem” (-ed) (-ing) According to Webster; Deem: to come to think of or judge; to have an opinion. That is exactly what the FDA did, decide to “come to think of” batteries, cotton, wire, circuit boards and even zero nicotine e-liquids as tobacco products. In other words, I could “deem” my beater with a heater to be a Lamborghini. Of course it wouldn’t be but the FDAs deeming is that ludicrous and is the same broad brush that anti tobacco is painting the vapor community with.
Once again the FDA and anti tobacco have ignored the science that vapor products are at least 95% less harmful than smoking tobacco to the user and also present ZERO percent harm to bystanders. (FDA funded National Institute for Health Report – March 2016 / RCP Report – April 2016).
The free samples of NRTs that Breathe Free offers are for the first couple of weeks. They recommend you stick with them for up to 8 weeks or more and, of course, you need to pay for that. On the streets, some would call that a drug dealer.
My point is, thanks to modern vapor products, my wife and I are both 100% tobacco free and feeling great. Millions more could reform too, quickly and easily. The only thing you’ll get from our exhaled vapor, if you smell it at all, is an unexplainable craving for Blueberry Muffins, Apple Pie or maybe some S’mores. Please don’t let the tactics of the past set the standards for all of our futures. Your deodorant, cologne, perfume, bad breath or body odor could be next.
Thanks for reading, everyone!
Vapers Unite!
Von Vape
I'm also trying to organize a group through our local free press (just a thought
).Okay, on to the meat and potatoes. After a lot of research I came up with this response to Mr. Crowley-Bell's article. Your input is welcomed. Keep in mind I have already exceeded the "word limit" by nearly 90 words. Thanks everyone, hope you all like it.
First, the Crowley-Bell article (not McGee as stated earlier)The People's Paper August 2016 pg. #3
Okay, now my response............
In his bucolic article describing the scent of clover and fresh air, Mr. Crowley-Bell may have inadvertently perpetuated a lie in saying, “Our Alaska State Fair has chosen to stand by the irrefutable science that second hand smoke is not just inconvenient or smelly: it’s deadly and effects the health of those who are exposed to it” (The State Fair chose to do this at the suggestion of Breathe Free Mat-Su) Perhaps he simply repeated the lie that has been told so many times for so long that it has become a pseudo truth. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Three examples of studies refuting the irrefutable are;
The Enstrom – Kabat study on the effects of second hand smoke on never smokers. This study concluded; “The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.”http://www.bmj.com/content/326/7398/1057 (The Study)
A New England Journal of Medicine study found that even back in 1975--when having smoke puffed into your face was ubiquitous in restaurants, cocktail lounges, and transportation lounges--the concentration was equal to merely four one thousandths of one cigarette an hour. In scientific terminology, that's a "tiny amount."
Similar conclusions were reached by the World Health Organization, which concluded in 1998 after a seven-year study that the correlation between secondhand smoking and lung cancer was not statistically significant.
The Enstrom – Kabat Study is of particular interest because it spanned nearly four decades and involved over 110,000 participants. It was initially funded by the American Cancer Society and supported by the anti-smoking Tobacco Related Disease Research Program. However, when the results did not support the ACS/TRDRP’s desired outcome, their funding was pulled and they set out to discredit Enstrom and Kabat, both highly regarded epidemiologists at UCLA and State University of New York, respectively. Also noteworthy is that both gentlemen were staunch anti tobacco, never smokers. The research was completed at UCLA and published in the British Journal of Medicine in 2003. As a result of the attempts to discredit them, Engstrom was forced to defend their position in this document; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2164936/ (Enstrom’s defense of the study)
No one can deny that smoking is smelly and inconvenient to many non smokers but to perpetuate a known falsehood, supported only by what Enstrom refers to as Lysenko pseudoscience and to use the protect the children tactic as pawns to demonize smokers is deplorable and self righteous.
Worse yet, the anti tobacco organizations are now applying the same tactics to vapers and the modern vapor industry and have successfully lobbied The Alaska State Fair to be “Smoke and Aerosol (*Vapor*) Free” this year. They could have said vapor but that doesn’t sound near as scary or harmful as aerosol. The anti tobacco organizations will argue, “Vapor products have been deemed by the FDA to be tobacco products as of 8/8/16 and therefore we are allowed to regulate them as such.”
While technically accurate, one has to consider the definition of “Deem” (-ed) (-ing) According to Webster; Deem: to come to think of or judge; to have an opinion. That is exactly what the FDA did, decide to “come to think of” batteries, cotton, wire, circuit boards and even zero nicotine e-liquids as tobacco products. In other words, I could “deem” my beater with a heater to be a Lamborghini. Of course it wouldn’t be but the FDAs deeming is that ludicrous and is the same broad brush that anti tobacco is painting the vapor community with.
Once again the FDA and anti tobacco have ignored the science that vapor products are at least 95% less harmful than smoking tobacco to the user and also present ZERO percent harm to bystanders. (FDA funded National Institute for Health Report – March 2016 / RCP Report – April 2016).
The free samples of NRTs that Breathe Free offers are for the first couple of weeks. They recommend you stick with them for up to 8 weeks or more and, of course, you need to pay for that. On the streets, some would call that a drug dealer.
My point is, thanks to modern vapor products, my wife and I are both 100% tobacco free and feeling great. Millions more could reform too, quickly and easily. The only thing you’ll get from our exhaled vapor, if you smell it at all, is an unexplainable craving for Blueberry Muffins, Apple Pie or maybe some S’mores. Please don’t let the tactics of the past set the standards for all of our futures. Your deodorant, cologne, perfume, bad breath or body odor could be next.
Thanks for reading, everyone!
Vapers Unite!
Von Vape Dang it! I just noticed/realized that Noel Crowley-Bell could be either a man or a woman's name and is probably the latter because men don't usually hyphenate their last names. I guess I'd better skip the mister but should I put Ms., Mrs. or nothing at all? As "douche" as her(?) article is, I don't want to be COMPLETELY disrespectful.
Vapers Unite!
Von Vape
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Von Vape 
Dang it! I just noticed/realized that Noel Crowley-Bell could be either a man or a woman's name and is probably the latter because men don't usually hyphenate their last names. I guess I'd better skip the mister but should I put Ms., Mrs. or nothing at all? As "douche" as her(?) article is, I don't want to be COMPLETELY disrespectful.
Vapers Unite!
Love what your doing here
Yes, most likely a Mrs (judging by the hyphenation) but I'd go with just the name with no title or just "the author".
Thank you B2L.
I bet you're right. I'll most likely go with name only to start and then use "the author" through the body of the article. Thanks again, great suggestion. Vapers Unite!
Von Vape Agree, no gender, just the name.
I love what you are doing Von, but ya already know I'm a fan!
I write and write, get my ignores and form responses, but I keep squeeking along. Looks like you are ruffling some feathers.
I love what you are doing Von, but ya already know I'm a fan!
I write and write, get my ignores and form responses, but I keep squeeking along. Looks like you are ruffling some feathers.
Just use the name without any prefix.Dang it! I just noticed/realized that Noel Crowley-Bell could be either a man or a woman's name and is probably the latter because men don't usually hyphenate their last names. I guess I'd better skip the mister but should I put Ms., Mrs. or nothing at all? As "douche" as her(?) article is, I don't want to be COMPLETELY disrespectful.
Vapers Unite!
Dang it! I just noticed/realized that Noel Crowley-Bell could be either a man or a woman's name and is probably the latter because men don't usually hyphenate their last names. I guess I'd better skip the mister but should I put Ms., Mrs. or nothing at all? As "douche" as her(?) article is, I don't want to be COMPLETELY disrespectful.
Vapers Unite!
Has a FB page. Not a member, so can't get anything but the front page, which is inconclusive.
https: //www .facebook.com/noel.crowleybell
Link broken, take out the spaces.
Don't care to spread propaganda 
Thank you @DavidOck .
I'm not a FB kinda guy either, or twitter or snap chat, et al. I LUV my family right here though so this is my "social media".
While I do take the ANTZ attacks on vaping and "my family" personally, through the guidance of "my family" I have come to realize that attacking an individual or name calling is counter productive. What is our moderators mantra? Hate the post not the poster, something like that, anyway......... At the same time, it's wise to know your enemy and to that end, a gander at the FB page would be enlightening (and probably get me all kinds of wound up from the sound of it.). That being said I believe that the best approach is to stay focused, stay on point and remain relentless. Every time the utopian, just live the way I want you to live and do everything the way I want you to do it, zealots spew their rhetoric, stand up! Make some noise!
When I smoked, I saw what was coming. I tried desperately to get smokers to do the same thing but the results were much the same as they are now. Most didn't believe that something so ingrained in American culture and was legal surely wouldn't go away. Then smoking was banned in grocery stores and everyone said, "Okay, that makes sense. Wouldn't want to offend Granny or the children in the produce section." About the same time the hospitals banned smoking (remember when the rooms and halls were filled with cigarette smoke and new Fathers ALWAYS handed out cigars that were lit right on the spot?) "There's all this oxygen around and we certainly don't want to blow the place up!" (C'mon! Seriously??? See previous parenthesized sentence.) I said back then, "You see where this is headed, right?" and by then it was throw the arms up in the air and "Oh well, we're outnumbered. What can we do?" Anyway, the point is, it's like the story of the French resistance fighter in WW II who said, first they overran Poland, and I did nothing because they were not coming for me........so on and so forth until they WERE coming for him and there was no one left to speak up or do anything. Without getting into politics TOO MUCH, apathy is what is killing not only vaping but the entire American way I was raised to believe exists.
The utopian PC crowd is very sneaky and spotting what they're up to is difficult but those of us who care about the America I spoke of have to be vigilant on ALL fronts and SPEAK OUT EVERY SINGLE TIME we do recognize what's happening! I for one am so past being called a conspiracy theorist. They have realized that the more outrageous, longer & more detailed they make their rules and regulations, the more anyone attacking them SOUNDS like a conspiracy theorist. First, what average citizen is going to take the time to read 500 pages of anything, especially when they have little if any interest in the subject. Second, when anyone WITH interest in the subject does finally manage to get through all 500 pages and then spends another two weeks trying to understand it and finally disseminates it to "Joe Average", they DO sound like some kind of crackpot, conspiracy theorist. People have lost the will to wade through the BS and it will ultimately cost us ALL dearly.
I don't want to be a sheeple and I'm sure none of you do either.
Vapers Unite!
Von Vape
I'm not a FB kinda guy either, or twitter or snap chat, et al. I LUV my family right here though so this is my "social media".
While I do take the ANTZ attacks on vaping and "my family" personally, through the guidance of "my family" I have come to realize that attacking an individual or name calling is counter productive. What is our moderators mantra? Hate the post not the poster, something like that, anyway......... At the same time, it's wise to know your enemy and to that end, a gander at the FB page would be enlightening (and probably get me all kinds of wound up from the sound of it.
). That being said I believe that the best approach is to stay focused, stay on point and remain relentless. Every time the utopian, just live the way I want you to live and do everything the way I want you to do it, zealots spew their rhetoric, stand up! Make some noise!When I smoked, I saw what was coming. I tried desperately to get smokers to do the same thing but the results were much the same as they are now. Most didn't believe that something so ingrained in American culture and was legal surely wouldn't go away. Then smoking was banned in grocery stores and everyone said, "Okay, that makes sense. Wouldn't want to offend Granny or the children in the produce section." About the same time the hospitals banned smoking (remember when the rooms and halls were filled with cigarette smoke and new Fathers ALWAYS handed out cigars that were lit right on the spot?) "There's all this oxygen around and we certainly don't want to blow the place up!" (C'mon! Seriously??? See previous parenthesized sentence.) I said back then, "You see where this is headed, right?" and by then it was throw the arms up in the air and "Oh well, we're outnumbered. What can we do?" Anyway, the point is, it's like the story of the French resistance fighter in WW II who said, first they overran Poland, and I did nothing because they were not coming for me........so on and so forth until they WERE coming for him and there was no one left to speak up or do anything. Without getting into politics TOO MUCH, apathy is what is killing not only vaping but the entire American way I was raised to believe exists.
The utopian PC crowd is very sneaky and spotting what they're up to is difficult but those of us who care about the America I spoke of have to be vigilant on ALL fronts and SPEAK OUT EVERY SINGLE TIME we do recognize what's happening! I for one am so past being called a conspiracy theorist. They have realized that the more outrageous, longer & more detailed they make their rules and regulations, the more anyone attacking them SOUNDS like a conspiracy theorist. First, what average citizen is going to take the time to read 500 pages of anything, especially when they have little if any interest in the subject. Second, when anyone WITH interest in the subject does finally manage to get through all 500 pages and then spends another two weeks trying to understand it and finally disseminates it to "Joe Average", they DO sound like some kind of crackpot, conspiracy theorist. People have lost the will to wade through the BS and it will ultimately cost us ALL dearly.
I don't want to be a sheeple and I'm sure none of you do either.
STAND UP! MAKE SOME NOISE!
Vapers Unite!
Von Vape
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