When Ecigs are banned in public...
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Clearly the answer is inform group A.
Was thinking about how when this stuff comes up for vote at a local town hall and we are given instructions to politely refrain from vaping during the event. How's that working out for us? I don't go because I would vape, but am passionate about the issue. Was thinking, you could just as well tell people during a hearing that you've been vaping the entire time - even if you were not - as that would likely match the experience if you had been vaping. Then was thinking you could use that strategy in many places. Go there, don't vape and after 10 or more minutes ask about their vaping policy. If they say, not allowed, then you could tell them you've been vaping the entire time. Tell a white lie and see how they react. Do they kick you out based simply on a false confession that would further prove that it isn't really about actual (or even perceived) harm?
As this stuff does continue to grow, my attitude is less willing to give in, and I surely haven't been one to give in on this at any point. But I'm up for new tactics like the one noted above. Don't vape, but say you have and see how they react. Would be wonderful if non-vapers cared enough to pull similar tactic with people in public.
But I may just stick with the passive political strategy that has so far worked 100% of the time for me. Vape where I desire, with respect, and observe that no one cares to come up to me and mention anything about me vaping indoors. Perhaps in some future I'll make it a point to go to these places / states where they have banned the use and then I'll vape there just to test them on what they think they know about vaping in public and what they likely don't. I'm betting if I pushed things in this direction, I'd bat around 67%, meaning only 33% of the time would I actually get caught. The rest of the time, I believe no one would ever know whether or not you vaped there, unless you intentionally did it in a blatantly disrespectful manner.
Austin Texas tied vaping into the public places cig ban laws last April on a one year moratorium basis. They are revisiting it to make it permanent. No doubt it will become perma banned shortly.
Let's keep the discussion on track folks. Debate about off-topic issues can be handled in the Outside, not here. Abortion and other sensitive topics are not up for discussion here.
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Yes inform Group A. The only problem is Group A will never become informed since they do not want to become informed.
You complain about hyperbole, exaggeration and sense of proportion and then say this?
Pretty much 90% of everybody in the world knows that if you can't try your juice immediately before you buy it the world economy will crash. And 99% of all people know that's no hyperbole!
And I'm now wondering - if you can no longer sample or hang out and vape in the vape shops - Would that lead more people to just buy their juice online and go ahead and order their equipment there too. Eventually leading to the loss of all or most of our local vape shops and the jobs that came along with them. I'm guilty of buying a lot of stuff online already because it's cheaper (and I'm lazy lol) ... Maybe I need to stop that.
When our smoking ban was started, several bars and other businesses just added patios. Some could be enclosed for bad weather. I would assume the same would happen with vape shops when possible. I hope anyway.
When our smoking ban was started, several bars and other businesses just added patios. Some could be enclosed for bad weather. I would assume the same would happen with vape shops when possible. I hope anyway.
I've sampled verrrrrrry few juices that I then bought and went on to vape for any length of time. Most of the juice I've bought, I've bought online; most was total crap, but one or two were winners. I figure it's just part of the whole vaping thang.
Just got some new juice yesterday at a local B&M; Hard Rock Vapors' "Strawberry Fields"... it's not as good as my DIY Strawberries and Cream, but given the crappy performance of the USPS, it's the best I can do for a strawberry vape right now, and it's not bad at all.
Had a sample of Cuttwood "Unicorn Blood"... I did not detect the slightest note of strawberry in that, just the creams. Nicquid's "Calypso" was pretty good, a very interesting and appealing taste that they describe as "strawberry lemon cheesecake."
Of course it's very hard to taste anything from a BCC clearo when you're accustomed to kayfuns, but the HRV Strawberry Fields was a gamble that paid off; it's quite tasty, if not as good as my DIY.
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I think they have that handled as well. In Indiana the legislation being discussed would make it so expensive and difficult for online sellers to operate that buying on-line would probably go away.
They don't have to make vaping illegal or impossible. They just have to make it difficult and expensive enough that not many people would consider starting to vape. From their point of view (money, money, money) I imagine it's fine if a few people vape, as long as it doesn't become widespread enough to significantly eat into the sale of cigarettes and the collection of taxes.
I'll have to try that Niquid Calypso then. The only juice I ever got from a vape shop that I really liked was Niquid. Banana Muffin, or Nutbread or something. Didn't even taste very good in the shop, it was just the least horrible of the ones I tried, but I loved it when I got it home. I've been meaning to order some more Niquid stuff.
I got their "southern freeze" back in the summer, when I was first trying out non-tobacco vapes, and it's not bad, but "cool" type vapes aren't really my thing. The other thing I noticed about Nicquid flavors, something I've also heard about MBV flavors, is that they all have this underlying taste in common; it's not really a "bad" taste, but it's not really good either, though I suppose that's a subjective thing.
But I have to say, as little flavor as it's possible to get from those little BCCs, that one was intriguing; to me it tasted more like bavarian cream than cheesecake, but it's close, I guess. The lemon aspect wasn't really obvious, but it gave it a sort of "sparkle"...? I may end up going back up there pretty soon and getting some to try in my kayfuns or magma, 'cause I'm thinking it would be pretty good, if I could REALLY taste it.
Or maybe I could DIY something along those lines.
Andria
It doesn't matter how difficult or expensive they try to make it - I will not go back to cigarettes. I can't stand the smell of them anymore. Can't imagine even sticking one in my mouth. And I will still try to convert more people to vaping
It doesn't matter how difficult or expensive they try to make it - I will not go back to cigarettes. I can't stand the smell of them anymore. Can't imagine even sticking one in my mouth. And I will still try to convert more people to vaping
I did some calculations over the weekend. I use around three 30 ml bottles of 12mg a month, say 100ml. That's equivalent to 10ml of 100mg nic. At that rate the 1/2 liter of nic in my freezer would last for 4 years. I just ordered another liter. That will give me a 12 year supply. And a lot more if I cut down on the nic content. So I'm OK whatever they do, unless I live to be 100 which is unlikely given what I've done to my lungs over the last 50 years.
Those tobacco guys have a good scam going. A 12 year supply of nic cost me the same as I used to spend every month on cigs.
All I need to do is lay in lots of mods and tanks and other goodies in case they ban that stuff too. So I better just grit my teeth and start buying stuff.
I haven't actually made any juice yet. I'm still collecting mixing gear and obsessing over the process. I guess some people like to just jump right into something new, others like to plan it to death first.
Someone gets it.
Apparently you don't need to be sent to the plastic table with the Playdoh.
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Since I was the one who mentioned the back alley abortion analogy, it is clear to me that it was totally misconstrued. So allow me to clarify...
My analogy primarily had nothing to do with the unborn, but everything to do with the mother. In the bad old days of back alley abortions, mothers went to whomever was handy with a coat hanger, often with disastrous results. Whatever you think about abortion, which is totally beyond the scope of my intent, back alley abortions killed mothers too.
If vaping is driven underground, as it has in Australia, for example, people will get hurt, people being what they are. And I referenced a specific case in Australia, where someone came in here talking about their amazingly low nicotine strength that was working for him. Problem was, he was using 1000mg nicotine (not clearly marked on the bottle), but thought he was mixing 100mg. That's an error of 10:1. I don't think that happens in the USA, where nic is still sold out in the open. In his case, his vendor of course no longer sells it, and may not even been available for consultation as to exactly what was in his bottle. That's what happens when things are driven underground, where I guess in Australia you now have back alley nic suppliers. He was lucky, he could have been vaping 240mg strength or higher, and not known it, thinking it was 24mg.
My second application of the analogy is simply that if vaping is restricted in any serious way, millions of smokers who otherwise would have quit via the well proven effectiveness of vaping (as anecdotally reported here in great numbers, including me), hundreds of thousands of them will die early deaths as they smoke themselves to death. Now, some may not have the same concerns over the long term killing of smoking, versus the immediacy of abortion, and hey, what's a few hundred thousand unnecessary deaths (or millions?), as long as it takes a few decades, right?
Analogies do not have to be perfect, nor do the consequences have to be equally severe. Those that believe analogies have to be perfect are, in my opinion, analogy challenged.
So I Stand by my analogy, but I have absolutely no desire to discuss the politics of abortion. My own opinions had nothing to do with the analogy, and will remain private for good reason. And regardless of what you or I think about the subject, history proves that people will find a way to do what they want to do, and history proves they will suffer the consequences when it is driven underground. And that includes smoking and vaping too. If anyone can't deal with this analogy, so be it. I am out of this discussion.
My analogy primarily had nothing to do with the unborn, but everything to do with the mother. In the bad old days of back alley abortions, mothers went to whomever was handy with a coat hanger, often with disastrous results. Whatever you think about abortion, which is totally beyond the scope of my intent, back alley abortions killed mothers too.
If vaping is driven underground, as it has in Australia, for example, people will get hurt, people being what they are. And I referenced a specific case in Australia, where someone came in here talking about their amazingly low nicotine strength that was working for him. Problem was, he was using 1000mg nicotine (not clearly marked on the bottle), but thought he was mixing 100mg. That's an error of 10:1. I don't think that happens in the USA, where nic is still sold out in the open. In his case, his vendor of course no longer sells it, and may not even been available for consultation as to exactly what was in his bottle. That's what happens when things are driven underground, where I guess in Australia you now have back alley nic suppliers. He was lucky, he could have been vaping 240mg strength or higher, and not known it, thinking it was 24mg.
My second application of the analogy is simply that if vaping is restricted in any serious way, millions of smokers who otherwise would have quit via the well proven effectiveness of vaping (as anecdotally reported here in great numbers, including me), hundreds of thousands of them will die early deaths as they smoke themselves to death. Now, some may not have the same concerns over the long term killing of smoking, versus the immediacy of abortion, and hey, what's a few hundred thousand unnecessary deaths (or millions?), as long as it takes a few decades, right?
Analogies do not have to be perfect, nor do the consequences have to be equally severe. Those that believe analogies have to be perfect are, in my opinion, analogy challenged.
So I Stand by my analogy, but I have absolutely no desire to discuss the politics of abortion. My own opinions had nothing to do with the analogy, and will remain private for good reason. And regardless of what you or I think about the subject, history proves that people will find a way to do what they want to do, and history proves they will suffer the consequences when it is driven underground. And that includes smoking and vaping too. If anyone can't deal with this analogy, so be it. I am out of this discussion.
That's like saying "a match is just like a Ic Supernova" ... the analogy breaks down when the scale of comparison is ridiculous.
I might take issue with the magnitude of your own analogy. And as I said, hundreds of thousands, truly millions, of people dying of COPD or lung cancer is nothing to sneeze at. Unless you cannot see past the politics you insist on putting into the analogy.
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