Who is behind the "95% Safer"..?

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bombastinator

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I don't know how you can make such a bold statement in a seemingly factual manner. Many individuals have suffered various ill health effects from using e-cigs.

Oh yes...add "IMO," and "YMMV" at the bottom which pretty well removes your post from the notion of any kind of fact.

Many people believe that ecigs are the cause of some extremely random health problems, this is true. Generally the rationale is “this thing started to happen to me when I was vaping ecigs”. Sort of a classic correlation/causality fail. This doesn’t mean they didn’t, but whether they actually ARE or not is another question.
 

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No one has predicted what PG, VG, Nic, and flavors will do to the human body over a long period of years, but my experience (9 years) has been one of better breathing, fewer colds and respiratory bugs, and general better health. I can breathe better and exercise without becoming winded.
 

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Wrong. Coil legs are cooler. Ever dry burn a coil so it glows? Which part is NOT glowing? The legs.
You are right, but only for empty coil, when legs are cooled by contact with bulk metal, and the rest of coil can run hot. Add wick and juice. Coil will be thoroughly cooled by boiling juice, but what about legs?
TC doesn't measure average anything, it measures total resistance. If any part of the coil is hotter due to dry wick, no contact with the wick, or even improper juice flow the total resistance is changed. While true that some parts could then be hotter, the wattage will still be reduced.
Interesting logic. Did you really want to say that there are no temperature measuring devices, because they all measure not temperature itself, but resistance, thermal expansion, etc? And, finally, measuring "total resistance" is equal to measuring average temperature.
 
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No one has predicted what PG, VG, Nic, and flavors will do to the human body over a long period of years, but my experience (9 years) has been one of better breathing, fewer colds and respiratory bugs, and general better health. I can breathe better and exercise without becoming winded.

Yeah my general health is much better over a similar length of time (having said that I'm off work with the flu atm, lol).

I do sometimes worry something will come out of the woodwork in another decade or two about the health risks of vaping, but that's irrational. I'm not a scientist but having read about some of the things we inhale on a daily basis just by living in a city my guess is the risk associated with pollution is about on a par with vaping. I have nothing to back that thought up with, it's just how I rationalise it to myself.
 

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And, finally, measuring "total resistance" is equal to measuring average temperature.
Well it isn't precisely equal to that, but yeah, it's an approximation based on trying to guess the average temperature. Which makes it even worse than measuring the average temperature, especially if juice is, before it can evaporate, kept boiling in close vicinity to the overheating areas in the coil's surface for a much longer period compared to what really happens in a decently built high wattage DL setup used by someone who properly knows and understands the importance of adequately stabilizing the uniformity of all the various temperatures that occur on the advanced coil's surface (properly here meaning someone capable to at least try a few things before resorting to senseless online bruhaha).
 
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Well it isn't precisely equal to that, but yeah, it's an approximation based on trying to guess the average temperature. Which makes it even worse than measuring the average temperature, especially if juice is, before it can evaporate, kept boiling in close vicinity to the overheating areas in the coil's surface for a much longer period compared to what really happens in a decently built high wattage DL setup used by someone who properly knows and understands the importance of adequately stabilizing the uniformity of all the various temperatures that occur on the advanced coil's surface (properly here meaning someone capable to at least try a few things before resorting to senseless online bruhaha).
So you’re saying it can be susceptible to error when there are hot spots?
 

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Well it isn't precisely equal to that, but yeah, it's an approximation based on trying to guess the average temperature. Which makes it even worse than measuring the average temperature, especially if juice is, before it can evaporate, kept boiling in close vicinity to the overheating areas in the coil's surface for a much longer period compared to what really happens in a decently built high wattage DL setup used by someone who properly knows and understands the importance of adequately stabilizing the uniformity of all the various temperatures that occur on the advanced coil's surface (properly here meaning someone capable to at least try a few things before resorting to senseless online bruhaha).

I wouldn't mind trying things as you put it, but I don't happen to own or have access to a gas chromatograph to analyze the vapor, nor the thermocouples required to measure temp. I wish I did because that would be something I would really enjoy.
 

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Yeah my general health is much better over a similar length of time (having said that I'm off work with the flu atm, lol).

I do sometimes worry something will come out of the woodwork in another decade or two about the health risks of vaping, but that's irrational. I'm not a scientist but having read about some of the things we inhale on a daily basis just by living in a city my guess is the risk associated with pollution is about on a par with vaping. I have nothing to back that thought up with, it's just how I rationalise it to myself.
Now that I've left the sinking ship that is smoking cigarettes, yes I'm still worried about the quality of my lifeboat called vaping. But I'm waa-aaaa-aaaaaaay more worried about anti-scientific propagandists aiming torpedos and heavy cannons directly at my lifeboat.
 

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So you’re saying it can be susceptible to error when there are hot spots?
All I'm saying is you can find out by looking at it with your eyes that an alien coil keeps sucking juice up faster than a sponge even if there's no wick inside. All you have to do is put a single drop of juice on one of the coil's legs when the coil is clean and dry and there's no wick inside the coil, use a magnifier and look carefully what happens. I can promise you you won't see that kind of wicking speed in a regular fused clapton coil. At high wattage with stable strong focused airflow going on, as long as you remember to drip on time (the bad taste of a dry hit is what teaches you to remember it), it is only logical the fact juice will keep flowing through the coils so fast it only stands a chance to start to overheat if you forgot to work out the hot spots (a technique known by those who are familiar with advanced coil building). Remember, "faster evaporation equals faster cooling effect" is simple physics at the high school level. That plus the fact juice is kept flowing so much faster compared to what happens in MTL is why he loves to manufacture evidence. The bottom line is it's just another colorful graph being used to scare vapers away from using high wattage DL, and, this isn't the first time high wattage DL vapers are getting attacked by nonsensical arguments that originate from the MTL zealots crowd, as it just keeps happening over and over and over.
 

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Yep, those pesky MTL zealots are almost as nonsensical as those DL zealots.
You gotta watch those low watt vapers, they'll sneak up on you & turn your power down. The horror.

I guess vape 'rules' prevent folks that prefer MTL from using an alien coil.

Another example of my way to vape is better than your way, because I say so. Goes both ways.

Everything in vaping are matters of personal preference, enjoy whatever methods you prefer.
If you can't enjoy your prefered method because what someone else says, you have bigger fish to fry.
Please, no open flames on the life boat, even to cook fish.
 

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Yep, those pesky MTL zealots are almost as nonsensical as those DL zealots.
You gotta watch those low watt vapers, they'll sneak up on you & turn your power down. The horror.

I guess vape 'rules' prevent folks that prefer MTL from using an alien coil.

Another example of my way to vape is better than your way, because I say so. Goes both ways.

Everything in vaping are matters of personal preference, enjoy whatever methods you prefer.
If you can't enjoy your prefered method because what someone else says, you have bigger fish to fry.
Please, no open flames on the life boat, even to cook fish.

Here I sit this morning vaping at 8W with a cup of coffee. Later on I'll take it up to 10W and blow some small clouds! :)
 
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Here I sit this morning vaping at 8W with a cup of coffee. Later on I'll take it up to 10W and blow some small clouds! :)
oh! so you're one of those guys! Subverting the DL vape world one wispy cloud at a time, eh?


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oh! so you're one of those guys! Subverting the DL vape world one wispy cloud at a time, eh?


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I view it as replicating the way I smoked. Tobacco smoked like cloud vapers vape would reduce the smoking population in half the time as MTL cigarette smoking. :vapor:
 

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Here I sit this morning vaping at 8W with a cup of coffee. Later on I'll take it up to 10W and blow some small clouds! :)

Good God. This is Vaping Blasphemy.

What other Crazy Counter-Culture things do you do? Like using an Open G tuning while playing Cover Song off Vinyl?
 
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