Why 30-50 watts if 8 will do?

[Thunderball]

On my kayfun I go up to 15 watts with a 1.5 Ohm build but with my drippers, I max it out at 30 watts with a 0.6 Build. All depends on what you like and what you want to do.

Interesting how we are all so different. I build kayfuns and Taifuns usually at 1.1 ohm will only vape at 3.5 volts (10 watts) for my fruit flavored juices. Thats on a Provari. I di find that I have to ramp the volts up a tad on other mods....maybe to 3.6 to 3.7 volts to find the same sweet spot.

 

[Baditude]

What battery do you use in your mechanical? I've pretty much talked myself into getting a Panzer BlackHawk next week & I'd like your input on a reliable battery.

The current consensus is the Sony VTC5 is the best 18650 battery for sub-ohm vaping, with 2600mAh and 30 amps continuous. Make sure to purchase from a reputable reseller as counterfeit Sony's are now on the market. I recommend RTD Vapor, Orbtronics, or Illumination Supply. Buying from Ebay or Amazon could be risky.

Sony VTC5 IMR/hybrid

Battery Basics for Mods

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/batteries-chargers/581174-how-identify-counterfeit-sony-batteries.html

 

[K_Tech]

I'm just wondering what the hype is over the higher wattage devices? If your wick/tank can't deliver enough juice, it seems like burnt hits would be the result. What am I missing?

You are 100% correct in that a sub-standard coil and wick will result in a dry/burnt hit at high power levels, but some of the fun (for me at least) is getting everything just right. (I currently don't have a "high power" mod - just a DNA 30 - but do plan on picking something up at some point in time.

Kids overcompensating...

Well, THAT was constructive.

Why 700 Horse Power when 150 will do ?

Because 700 makes me giggle, and 150 makes me groan with disappointment?

Everyone enjoys different things. I have no desire to go skydiving, but many people are enthusiastic about the sport. Some of my co-workers paint their faces different colors, get drunk in parking lots, and watch padded men smash into each other over a leather wrapped ball. I'd rather be doing something different.

Seriously, these high-powered vaping threads are getting to be like some of the sub-ohm discussions with people coming out of the woodwork to denigrate those that enjoy that aspect of vaping.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to a hang-gliding forum to question someone's manhood for no good reason other than I just HATE hang gliders.

 

[D. Waterhouse]

Because 8 won't do.

 

[twizted]

The current consensus is the Sony VTC5 is the best 18650 battery for sub-ohm vaping, with 2600mAh and 30 amps continuous. Make sure to purchase from a reputable reseller as counterfeit Sony's are now on the market. I recommend RTD Vapor, Orbtronics, or Illumination Supply. Buying from Ebay or Amazon could be risky.

View attachment 359897 Sony VTC5 IMR/hybrid

Battery Basics for Mods

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/batteries-chargers/581174-how-identify-counterfeit-sony-batteries.html

Thanks for the input.

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[PinkPanter]

I'am more specialized into high end stereo equipment (class A), but...

I just don't like my amplifier is set max, I just took the wrong amplifier if had to do.
I like everything stays calm and cool at a setting half of what is max possible with that equipment, with that setting I want to see the windows having already a hard time

Anyway, I think its almost the same with vaping stuff, a stronger mod can bring it all much faster to the level we want without problems, it can even give a cooler vape experience which I like, it doesnt need time to warm up to the level I want, its BOOM there!

Its not my intention to vape with 30 watt, just 8 till 15 watt maybe, but... with quality.

For low ohm's coil lovers, more power is a must have, else get seriously problems and that is what your topic goes about, 30-50watt they want for again a lower ohm coil then they already have, but missing that power if keeping safety in mind (ohm law).

For now I'am just waiting till my Hana clone arrives and if this is true what I'am saying for the vaping part of my post, bc I'am also learning
If is, I will for sure consider to buy an authentic and same time I will have a nice backup for if something goes wrong

Why there are tires for 150+ miles an hour?
Why a bridge is made 3 times stronger then it have to carry?

All bc safety.

What do you want is first question, if you know what you want, then act to it with safety.

 

[jaxgator]

I know it's subjective and I'm painting with a wide brush here, but which rebuildable/tank seems to do it for you?

A Plume Veil RDA sitting on my Nemesis ATM. With a .41Ω dual coil on it I am pushing 43w and 10.24a with a freshly charged Sony VTC5 battery. It's my happy place. For now.

 

[ej1024]

I moved from a starter kit to an MVP2 (iClear 30) and now a pro tank mini II and I'm getting an o.k. vape. Of course, you can never experiment enough or have enough vapor or flavor right?

I'm just wondering what the hype is over the higher wattage devices? If your wick/tank can't deliver enough juice, it seems like burnt hits would be the result. What am I missing?

Somehow I'm thinking I could save a lot of time and frustration by just getting a Reo Mod. The initial investment is steep but it seems like money saved in the long run. The alternative seems to be Stingray (clone) Kayfun (clone) batteries, charger, more money, more money....plus some headache and frustration during the learning curve.

Because sub ohmers want to sub ohm safely...MECH MODS ARE DYING...

 

[Baditude]

I know it's subjective and I'm painting with a wide brush here, but which rebuildable/tank seems to do it for you?

For a rebuildable drip atomizer, I'm currently using an authentic Patriot RDA with a dual-coil 0.6 ohm and using either organic cotton or rayon wick. This is my most used juice attachment on my mechanical Silver Bullet mod.

I would love to get a Magma clone RDA from Infinite with a deeper juice well (for more juice capacity) and improved air flow coming from below the coils and adjustable air flow ring.

Patriot RDA

Magma RDA

For my rebuildable tank atomizer, I have an authentic SvoeMesto Kayfun Lite Plus @ 1.3 ohm as my rebuildable tank atomizer for my Provari, but you can get a good clone for less.

Kayfun Lite plus

 

[Newportlocal]

I started out with a Provari with carto tanks and Kangers. I thought I was having a satisfying vape with minimal issues. I was intimidated by the rebuildables. I bought a svoemesto kayfun lite plus v2. I bought a mech mod to help fire coils close to the low ohm cut off on the provari. Bought a clouper dna 30 some 28 gauge kanthal, ohm meter, 5/64 drill bits,Sony vtc5 batteries,etc. I had some annoying wicking issues trying different methods I read on here with my organic cotton. I tried many methods that worked for others. Now, I use Ko Gen Do cotton and Rip Trippers Kayfun build video for his wicking style and I am getting great results. I am using my dna 30 with my magma infinite clone right now on a dual coil at .8 ohms between 20-30 watts sitting in my yard. I use my Kayfun above 15 watts all the time. My kayfun is my usual tank to take everywhere now. It is way more satisfying vape using a 30 watt device and a Kayfun. Hope to try a plum veil soon. None of this is "hot rodding" for me. I am simply getting a more satisfying vape. Hope something I said was useful to those that read this.


Added thought. I used to vape at higher nicotine Mg, but with these set ups I am vaping everything at 6 mg and totally satisfied. The higher nic would be to much in them for me.

 

[Dolmance41]

8 watts does nothing for me. i even bought the vamo v5 because my other mod only went to 11 watts. at 15 watts i am blowing smog.

 

[DaveP]

I guess I'm just easy to impress. I stick with coils on my Kayfun that my Provari will tolerate. I have an old box mod, but don't play around with it anymore. I get flavor that satisfies and vapor volume that's frequently more than I care for while vaping under 4v. I live somewhere between 6 and 10 watts.

Mr. Provari refused to accept a .94 ohm coil I wound by mistake the other day. It accepts coils down to the 1.1 ohm range. At 3.7v, that's 12 watts and I'm still protected by the E1 and E2 codes that the Provari throws when I step over the ohm or power limit.

I just can't bring myself to get into 20 and 30 amp vaping, but understand why others do it. I've tried lung hits. They just aren't for me.

 

[GolemGolem]

I'm considering getting a mech and/or 50W mod. Recently got into drippers and I can only do 15w with 1.4ohm coils, and it's great but I'd love to be able to make my coils heat up faster.
With my Evods and such my sweet spot is 9W.

 

[rc3po]

I kinda wondered the same things. I normally vape 8 watts with my R91 on top. I bumped it up to 15 watts yesterday or the day before and noticed a bigger nic hit. It didn't seem to produce more vapor though. I'm vaping at 12 watts now. Maybe I can conserve on nic by upping my wattage. I'm no expert so I have to agree with Baditude - it's a journey. Enjoy it and try to have fun.

 

[XBarbarian]

Finding the best vaping setup for you can be described as a journey. Until you've had the opportunity to experience each setup to judge their merits, never say never. Sometimes its not the final destination, but the entire journey experience which is most satisfying.

So to wrap this up, never say never until you've had the opportunity to try something out for yourself. If what you currently use works for you, then be happy with it. But know that vaping is a changing technology and improvements are happening at an incredible rate.

some great, insightful and friendly posts on this thread, thanks all that contributed. Baditude's post was rocking.

Im only little more than a month in on this "journey", and its been expensive, but fun.

Quickly, the first half of the month, was trial and error, and sketchy guidance from B&M folks that meant well, but weren't too well informed. Went from a ego like small battery / tank with long wicks ( lizard Juice here in FL ), in a few days needed MOAR VAPE.. swapped that tank to a Kanger Evod. Better.. but still.. not there. wicking was sketchy, had to dry pull frequently to get a good hit. Couldn't chain vape.. it was a good draw if it sat a few minutes, 2-3.. then weak sauce. and battery life was meh.. went dead in the evening at a mtg...

next day, got a Aspire Nautilus and a Atmos Rx Power-vape mod. was better. the power-vape is a provari looking like thing, big, 18650, vv, but still struggled with consistent good draws. like the evod, I would go dry, or heat up. and the best draws would be after putting it down for a few minutes. still frustrated. went and saw this young friend of mine at a higher end B&M, Purely Vape in Tampa, bought what I said originally I wouldn't do.. a dripper. Cartel clone with a Tobh clone atty. dual coils, running at .4 LOTS of cooler airy vapor! but its heavy and messy, and cumbersome for me. Im a 52 yo IT professional, and its not something Im going to sport around the office. Plus having to feed it every other draw.

but then I found ECF. I've spent 2 weeks + pouring over this board. still lots more to learn, read, understand. PM's with helpful folks, etc. At least with the cartel/tobh, I learned to wrap coils etc. Saw and bought the Vapor Shark rDNA 30 box mod. LOVE that thing. Bought a R91 in black to put on top of it, and after a failed wicking effort, got truly amazing results. 1.6 ohm coil, 9-watts on the VS rDNA.. is amazing flavor! 5 Pawns Queenside, and there are so many notes of flavor! Plus, its looks freaking amazing. Small box in black with the Black R91.. Im totally comfortable sporting that at the office. Presents as state of the art.

before the VS / R91 arrived, I had started digging into the REO threads.. and well.. I saw one pop on the classifieds, so I jumped. Been using the VS R91 and REO grand sl/lp both.. for over the weekend.

Oh, and I had ordered the New BVC coils the week before and a Nautilus Mini. I learned something IMPORTANT. All tanks / RBA's etc.. benefit significantly from a Quality MOD. That Old Nautilus with the BVC's on top of VS rDNA? freaking totally new life, like a new device. highly recommend using a GOOD MOD, and the Aspire BVC coils.

So, atm, I weighing keeping the REO or not. This VS R91 combo , with the same juice, really.. better than the REO. The REO on the other hand--- simple, functional ( learning squonking though.. still.. not simple ), much bigger Vapor than the VS rDNA / R91, airy.

But man.. again.. the Flavor is compelling with the VS / R91. I'm thinking I'll give up the bigger clouds, simple functionality, and airy draw of the REO.. for the amazing flavor and gorgeous performance of the VS / R91..

what to do! Guess I could keep both.. but.. Id kind of like to recover at least some of the money I spent in the fast month! Blew about a Grand so far. or maybe Ill say screw it and keep both!

 

[EJuice2Coil]

Finding the best vaping setup for you can be described as a journey. Until you've had the opportunity to experience each setup to judge their merits, never say never. Sometimes its not the final destination, but the entire journey experience which is most satisfying.

Clearomizers are simple devices which are easy to fill and easy to change their replacement coils. However, the majority of them leak, give dry hits, mute flavors, and basically are inconsistant. Too fussy and undependable for me.

For nearly two years I have been very happy using a standard resistance cartomizer in a cartotank on a Provari. I thought, who needs high wattage vaping or sub-ohm coils on a mechanical mod? After all, I'm a simple vaper and not a tinkering type of person. I just want a simple vape.

I bought a bottom feeding box mod (not a Reo), but it wasn't for me. I change flavors too much during the course of the day, and a bottom feeder mod is more appropriate for someone who has a All Day Vape.

Out of curiosity from all the hype about RBA's, I gave a genesis-style RBA tank a nice shot. It wasn't for me. It was not user friendly, leaked if not kept upright, required tilting it horizontal to wick adequately, and required the use of stainless steel mesh wicks which were too difficult for me to prepare properly. Too many con's and not enough plus's. I returned to using my trusty cartotanks for a while.

Then someone gifted me a Kayfun-style rebuildable RBA tank a couple of months ago. It's a cartotank on steroids. A 1.3 - 1.5 ohm coil gives a better performance than a cartotank on a mech/regulated mod.

Out of more curiosity, I decided to bring my old mechanical mods out from the storage drawer and try a rebuildable dripper at sub-ohm (0.6 ohms), and it has been an eye-opening experience. A wide open airy draw, excellent flavor and superior vapor production. Yet even at that wattage its a cooler vape like I prefer. Night and day experience.

I visit a high-end neighborhood vape shop frequently and have had the opportunity to try friends' high-wattage regulated DNA-type mods with a rebuildable dripper on top. They also give a very nice, cool, flavorful vape with superior vapor production.

So vaping has been an interesting journey for me. I still use and enjoy my cartotanks. I still use and enjoy my KFL. I still use and enjoy my RDA's. I love them all, and they all provide a different vaping experience. I do not consider myself a "cloud chaser" per se, but I do enjoy more vapor. It's all about learning how to properly set up each juice delivery device to perform at its best. You can learn to set up a high wattage or sub-ohm setup and still have a cool, flavorful, vapor-producing experience. You can probably enjoy a ego setup too, but having experienced the above I would always know there is something better out there.

Factory-made coils and wicks can only be used within a certain voltage/wattage range. However, when you make your own coils with heavier-gauge Kanthal wire along with a larger volume of wick material, you can increase the voltage/wattage for much better flavor and vapor production. Using sub-ohm coils with a high amp battery in a mech or a higher-wattage DNA regulated mod can provide the necessary power to fire these home-made coils and wicks.

So to wrap this up, never say never until you've had the opportunity to try something out for yourself. If what you currently use works for you, then be happy with it. But know that vaping is a changing technology and improvements are happening at an incredible rate.

Very well said!!!!

 

[twizted]

some great, insightful and friendly posts on this thread, thanks all that contributed. Baditude's post was rocking.

Im only little more than a month in on this "journey", and its been expensive, but fun.

Quickly, the first half of the month, was trial and error, and sketchy guidance from B&M folks that meant well, but weren't too well informed. Went from a ego like small battery / tank with long wicks ( lizard Juice here in FL ), in a few days needed MOAR VAPE.. swapped that tank to a Kanger Evod. Better.. but still.. not there. wicking was sketchy, had to dry pull frequently to get a good hit. Couldn't chain vape.. it was a good draw if it sat a few minutes, 2-3.. then weak sauce. and battery life was meh.. went dead in the evening at a mtg...

next day, got a Aspire Nautilus and a Atmos Rx Power-vape mod. was better. the power-vape is a provari looking like thing, big, 18650, vv, but still struggled with consistent good draws. like the evod, I would go dry, or heat up. and the best draws would be after putting it down for a few minutes. still frustrated. went and saw this young friend of mine at a higher end B&M, Purely Vape in Tampa, bought what I said originally I wouldn't do.. a dripper. Cartel clone with a Tobh clone atty. dual coils, running at .4 LOTS of cooler airy vapor! but its heavy and messy, and cumbersome for me. Im a 52 yo IT professional, and its not something Im going to sport around the office. Plus having to feed it every other draw.

but then I found ECF. I've spent 2 weeks + pouring over this board. still lots more to learn, read, understand. PM's with helpful folks, etc. At least with the cartel/tobh, I learned to wrap coils etc. Saw and bought the Vapor Shark rDNA 30 box mod. LOVE that thing. Bought a R91 in black to put on top of it, and after a failed wicking effort, got truly amazing results. 1.6 ohm coil, 9-watts on the VS rDNA.. is amazing flavor! 5 Pawns Queenside, and there are so many notes of flavor! Plus, its looks freaking amazing. Small box in black with the Black R91.. Im totally comfortable sporting that at the office. Presents as state of the art.

before the VS / R91 arrived, I had started digging into the REO threads.. and well.. I saw one pop on the classifieds, so I jumped. Been using the VS R91 and REO grand sl/lp both.. for over the weekend.

Oh, and I had ordered the New BVC coils the week before and a Nautilus Mini. I learned something IMPORTANT. All tanks / RBA's etc.. benefit significantly from a Quality MOD. That Old Nautilus with the BVC's on top of VS rDNA? freaking totally new life, like a new device. highly recommend using a GOOD MOD, and the Aspire BVC coils.

So, atm, I weighing keeping the REO or not. This VS R91 combo , with the same juice, really.. better than the REO. The REO on the other hand--- simple, functional ( learning squonking though.. still.. not simple ), much bigger Vapor than the VS rDNA / R91, airy.

But man.. again.. the Flavor is compelling with the VS / R91. I'm thinking I'll give up the bigger clouds, simple functionality, and airy draw of the REO.. for the amazing flavor and gorgeous performance of the VS / R91..

what to do! Guess I could keep both.. but.. Id kind of like to recover at least some of the money I spent in the fast month! Blew about a Grand so far. or maybe Ill say screw it and keep both!

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Atleast your $1000 worth of vape gear will last you a whole lot longer then a $1000 worth of cigarettes. Not including all the added health benefits.

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[jaxgator]

next day, got a Aspire Nautilus and a Atmos Rx Power-vape mod. was better. the power-vape is a provari looking like thing, big, 18650, vv, but still struggled with consistent good draws. like the evod, I would go dry, or heat up. and the best draws would be after putting it down for a few minutes. still frustrated. went and saw this young friend of mine at a higher end B&M, Purely Vape in Tampa, bought what I said originally I wouldn't do.. a dripper. Cartel clone with a Tobh clone atty. dual coils, running at .4 LOTS of cooler airy vapor! but its heavy and messy, and cumbersome for me. Im a 52 yo IT professional, and its not something Im going to sport around the office. Plus having to feed it every other draw.

Wow! I had a Provari/Nautilus setup and was living the vape life just like you. Same thing with the crap shoot Nauti coils too.

Got into RBA's and then found drippers. Yum! My favorite go to now at home. I don't use anything else around the house where I have plenty of batteries available and a charger to boot.

Funny, that I am a 52 YO IT professional just like you but I went the tube mod route. At the office I carry my WAEII topped with a Erlkonigin. Around the house, my new favorite is an authentic Nemesis topped with a v1 Plume Veil. Tooting it right now as I type this. Yum!

 

[XBarbarian]

right on Jaxgator! GO Gators!

 

[IkarianTrade]

I read this whole thread with great interest. My vapor journey has actually been LOOONNNGG. Started out with Blu Cigs 4 years ago, the only thing I could afford back then. Then moved through egos on up to MVP2 for a full year of use. I thought at that point I was fine/satisfied. But my MVP was getting old and I wanted something a little different. So I went with a Vamo V5. And that was a wake up call. Everything tasted better. Luckily for me though (in some weird twist of fate) the Vamo was a dud (power switch issues I guess). By then I also had a Russian clone (MAJOR improvement in taste to me over my iclear30 and even carto tanks). I bought a DNA30 and have it now with a 2.0 build on my Russian. Swapping it back and forth between my Vamo and my new DNA, there seems to be a difference in taste/vapor. This part I don't understand fully: why on the same watts w. the same atomizer do these two devices perform differently?!? The DNA is definitely better but I'm not sure why. Also, even with my current 2.0 build I can push the wattage up on the DNA w/o burning but not so on the Vamo. Why?!?

Thanks for all the great posts here. It IS a journey, for sure, one I am enjoying. Being relatively new to higher wattage devices this thread was/is very helpful.