Why are so many vapers against themselves?

[JMarca]

People seem to have so many definitions of things like 'discretion,' and 'entitlement

That right there, you hit it on the nose!

If people didn't feel so entitled to things alot of things would be different. Debt for one, I had a neighbor who bought a new TV every Black Friday, except last Black Friday he had just lost his job and was broke. Didn't stop him from buying one anyway even though he had no means to pay it. He whipped out his trusty plastic and went at it. Fast forward to today, my other neighbor tells me watch out we'll have new people here soon, I ask why? She tells me his house is now up for foreclosure.

People need to stop with this entitlement complex and start doing things in moderation, whether it be vaping or buying a TV you are not entitled to do anything. I don't see Air Force One parked in your driveway.

 

[Fulgurant]

Sadly I don't think it will in this case.
Whichever one you pick someone will come along and tell you how wrong you are.

The partisan political bickering in this thread and others is an irrelevant distraction. Nothing more.

 

[tj99959]

sneezing and farting are (unfortunately) bodily functions that we really can't control,,,,,,,,,

vaping isn't a bodily function, you CAN control it, and you DO it because you are addicted to something that YOU CHOSE to become addicted to.

I really don't see how they are even CLOSELY comparative.

It's HOW it's done rather than IF it's done.

I can cover my face when I sneeze ..... or I can look you in the eye when I sneeze.

So it's the in your face 'I can vape if I want to, and I don't care if it bothers you' attitude that already has caused us problems.

Even outside, it really is easy to stand downwind of non smokers instead of possibly being a nuisance that brings undesirable attention to vaping.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Well forget the public how about your wife or girlfriend? There you are in the confines of your car or front room blowing great big puffs of that amazing nut flavour you discovered which she hates what are you going to say to her shut your crap and respect my rights to vape all over your face?

Rocket science? No.

My car, my rules.

I can always get another girlfriend.

 

[stevegmu]

The partisan political bickering in this thread and others is an irrelevant distraction. Nothing more.

Of course it is partisan and relevant. One party wants to ban e-cigarettes; the other, not so much.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Of course it is partisan and relevant. One party wants to ban e-cigarettes; the other, not so much.

Oh great Caesar's Gramma on a pogo stick. (facepalm)

 

[Intervap]

I don't think vaping should be banned in every indoor public place, nor do I think it should be allowed everywhere.
Restaurants especially. Its just out of pure respect to allow people to eat in peace without having to smell my vape, even if it isn't necessarily offensive.
However, most of the hallways at my college are completely empty so I would not see an issue with vaping in the hall. Some professors still have an issue with it so I don't vape in the halls. Not because I think it's wrong, but because of the respect I have for them and their classes (although I will still stealth vape in the back of class).
My work is a fine example of where it really should be allowed. I work in an empty office with no coworkers and only an occasional truck driver will come in. Therefore, my boss has absolutely no issue with me vaping in the office. She likes it because I don't go out for a smoke every half hour anymore! It would be pretty ridiculous if she made me go outside to vape and just be counter productive.
This is a relative argument. You can't say "vaping should never be allowed indoors" nor can you ever say the opposite.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Raw milk is banned. French cheese is banned. Cuban cigars are banned. These are things I take issue with. Not my right to text and drive or to blow vape into people's faces.

Straw man alert. You folks keep pretending that there are two choices:

1) Go outside like you have been told by the ANTZ and vape outdoors only so nobody can ever be offended.
2) Suck in a 14 second draw of vapor and "blow a cloud" in the next guys face.

C'mon. You can vape inside and not blow it in anyone's face. I vape in my office all the time, and nobody is getting vapor "blown in their face."

Let's acknowledge there is room between the two extremes.

 

[madqatter]

That is a list of the sponsors of the bill mentioned, and yes it is complete.

So this is the list for one bill, is what you're saying?

For the record, it's a bill that hasn't been reintroduced in the current Congress. The current (113th) Congress' S.1403 is the "Helping Heroes Fly Act" introduced by Senator Mark Pryor (D-AR).

We should all change our political affiliation based on one bill regarding a choice we make *for ourselves* to do or not to do, completely ignoring other issues?

It's not even a live bill.

How come I see a whole bunch of fat people (like myself) in various public places, but don't see any smokers (like myself) who are smoking?

I see people smoking in public all the time. At the beginning of September, I was one of them.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Uhhhhhh you've never had a sneeze or a fart sneak out, uncontrolled?

sneezing and farting are not NEARLY as controllable as vaping.

Thank you. People don't always understand those of us with constant, uncontrollable flatulence. It's a sickness, not a choice. No matter how much you try, one slips out whether you are meeting with a real estate broker or even during the occasional meeting with the Pope (He is one hell of an understanding guy) He understands it's a disease. There are those who are obnoxious about it and rather than politely breaking wind on the balcony they run around saying "Pull my finger" like its some sort of joke or choice. This year at The Big Bang gas competition, I was even accused of doping! Like I am the Lance Armstrong of farting! Like anyone would do anything to make them have more gas! It's absurd! Sure I eat at White Castle from time to time and enjoy some sliders but that's more of a trans-fat addiction than a farting addiction. I vape to help cover the odoriferous side effects of flatulence. People don't care about the disease, they just care about not wanting to get on the elevator with you and risk that gawd awful smell punching them in the face unexpectedly between floors. I understand their apprehension, I really do. I've got a project in the works with Fruit of the Loom and Fabreeze that should launch soon. It's para-dime changing. Every lift of the cheek should re-freshen a room instead of pollute it.

 

[tj99959]

Of course it is partisan and relevant. One party wants to ban e-cigarettes; the other, not so much.

Oh really! Guess you've never been to Utah which was the first state in the nation to add e-cigs to the clean air act.

 

[Uma]

Straw man alert. You folks keep pretending that there are two choices:

1) Go outside like you have been told by the ANTZ and vape outdoors only so nobody can ever be offended.
2) Suck in a 14 second draw of vapor and "blow a cloud" in the next guys face.

C'mon. You can vape inside and not blow it in anyone's face. I vape in my office all the time, and nobody is getting vapor "blown in their face."

Let's acknowledge there is room between the two extremes.

+1~!!!!!
The funniest part to me, is how we have been vaping in public for years, yet Vapers in the wild are hard to spot. Stealth vaping by the THOUSANDS!!!!! Yet, because of a video or an accidental cloud, suddenly we are demonized? Get a grip people. We don't choose to vape so we can smoke, we choose to vape because it's NOT smoke. We have stumbled onto the only way to avoid smoking and people need to celebrate, not treat us like ... Wow, they shouldn't be treating anybody, not even smokers, like smokers. Ban bullying, not people.

 

[440BB]

Oh really! Guess you've never been to Utah which was the first state in the nation to add e-cigs to the clean air act.

The majority in Utah, who cannot consume nicotine or caffeine as proscribed by their church, would accept this without question.

 

[EddardinWinter]

+1~!!!!!
The funniest part to me, is how we have been vaping in public for years, yet Vapers in the wild are hard to spot. Stealth vaping by the THOUSANDS!!!!! Yet, because of a video or an accidental cloud, suddenly we are demonized? Get a grip people. We don't choose to vape so we can smoke, we choose to vape because it's NOT smoke. We have stumbled onto the only way to avoid smoking and people need to celebrate, not treat us like ... Wow, they shouldn't be treating anybody, not even smokers, like smokers. Ban bullying, not people.

Thanks.

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[440BB]

We have stumbled onto the only way to avoid smoking and people need to celebrate, not treat us like ... Wow, they shouldn't be treating anybody, not even smokers, like smokers. Ban bullying, not people.

I don't expect anybody to celebrate my finding another way to maintain my addiction due to a lack of will power. It's my problem.

 

[DC2]

Of course it is partisan and relevant. One party wants to ban e-cigarettes; the other, not so much.

In the Legislative News subforum it is a very legitimate topic.

Here, I would have to agree that it is a distraction, and one that is likely to get the thread closed.
And I don't want to see that happen, as I'm really enjoying this thread.

 

[rangie]

Why should the smoker or vaper have to bow down to everyone if you don't like someone vaping near you then move or if your local pub allows it and you don't like then don't go in I see it from both sides I don't like a lot of things that people do but I have to put up with so what makes others so different

 

[Fulgurant]

Of course it is partisan and relevant. One party wants to ban e-cigarettes; the other, not so much.

That may be so, but it isn't my purpose here to try to convert liberal vapers into Republican voters, and I believe anyone here working towards that purpose is cutting his nose off to spite his face. Witness this thread and countless others: every time someone mentions the party affiliation of certain prominent anti-vapers in government, a flurry of mocking responses follows from people who are generally aligned with the same party on other issues.

"LOL, so I should ignore everything else and just vote based on my desire to vape?!?!?! NOT!"

And then the back-patting and virtual high-fiving starts, among people in both camps grateful for validation. Pages go by with nary a mention of the topic at hand, which is already frustratingly (I would say needlessly) contentious without all of the partisan stuff. If you must, note that Democrats are more involved in current anti-vaping efforts, but anything beyond that is just asking for trouble. Let people vote as they will. The careerist health officials most responsible for spreading anti-THR propaganda aren't suddenly gonna disappear no matter who's voted into office, anyway.

 

[wv2win]

Didn't this list show up on a post about a month, month and a half ago and wasn't there a response post showing this list was missing about an equal amount of Republicans, which had somehow (whoops!) been left off the original list? Anybody have the corrected list?

"I don't want to turn any of this into a partisan issue..." Yes you do. "But it already is." No it isn't.

No it wasn't, so stop with the smearing of facts with innuendo and misinformation because it doesn't shed a positive light on one's political leanings which is a big part of the problem. Many people are sick if this level of manipulation. Here is the thread where the information was pulled from and no such corrections were provided. And if you go to the actual document, you will see that DC2's assertion is correct:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/464209-judge-napalitano-e-cigs-fda-2.html

And sense the issue of vaping has been made "political" by the current administration, not by those of us who vape and only one side of the political equation on the federal level wants it banned and/or severely restricted, then it is "partisan". Maybe you could have a chat with your friends.

And just to anticipate the coming comment, I'm an Independent and would be just as vehement against any member of any party trying to do what this administration and these senators are trying to do to vaping with their lies and misinformation.

 

[madqatter]

Speaking of misinformation, why is an old bill that didn't go anywhere being treated as if it's something recent and live?