Why do people vape when they never smoked?

[Fury83]

I feel like this when I go to the gym and my work out trainer is attempting to get me to do something...I shall have a visual now...rofl

Personal trainers have to be part preacher to be effective. At least for most of us.

It all comes back to the verbiage that was use in the beginning of the thread. "Wannabe" and "hipster". Did you ever stop to think that these were people who probably would have smoked if it wasn't so bad for you? I mean everyone knows that smoking is really really bad for you these days. And so for a good reason many never even try a cig. But what if they really wanted to but just made the decision not to be cause smoking is so harmful to yourself and others. And then they see an ecig and say wow no harmful smoke! That is freakin a cool. And right they are it freakin is hella cool. So I don't blame them in taking up vaping. 0 nic or various strengths.

To play on words

If they wannabe vaping but have never smoked, I'm cool with that.

If they wannabe advised if I think it's the best idea, I can do that too.

If they wannabe advised on vaping topics after choosing to do so, I can do that as well.

 

[Ryedan]

The only thing we can do is suggest not to do something, freedom of choice will always win regardless of what advice is given. The forum is a place to make suggestions, educate and help others. Everyone in here is awesome for helping out, I've seen so many wonderful people that have offered suggestions and its great to see a community coming together like that.
That’s my point of view on this whole hair ball of a topic.

I think the snarkey part of the issue here is in agreeing what advice to give people. I do totally agree with your comment though

 

[Fury83]

Better than the special olympics picture about arguing on the internet I had in my post just before I edited it.

I guess we're making progress then.

That picture cracks me up when it's used on the internet to argue against arguing on the internet.

 

[Fury83]

I think the snarkey part of the issue here is in agreeing what advice to give people. I do totally agree with your comment though

I would say objective facts would be a good thing. Real facts though not just your own opinion ego inflated that you (well not you or maybe you, I dunno) consider facts.

 

[Worzel]

I am an ex-smoker, and I always say "where was this when I was 15!" I would rather see someone pick up vaping than smoking anyday!

 

[pherik]

Yea the words hipster and wannabe are just that, words. I am pretty sure most of us are adult enough to take words and ignore them because they are just that, words. No need to get angry or hostile because someone calls you a hipster or anything. Just laugh and go on knowing that they do not know what they are talking about and probably don't know the meaning of the words they use.

hip·ster
/ˈhipstər/Noun
A person who follows the latest trends and fashions.


wan·na·be
/ˈwänəbē/Noun
derogatory. A person who tries to be like someone else or to fit in with a particular group of people: "a star-struck wannabe".

Figured I would put them in for the people who don't understand.

 

[Fury83]

Finally found a comedic secondary use of my sunday preacher garbs, thank you for this.

I think you need to document this for...you know...science.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

It all comes back to the verbiage that was use in the beginning of the thread. "Wannabe" and "hipster". Did you ever stop to think that these were people who probably would have smoked if it wasn't so bad for you? I mean everyone knows that smoking is really really bad for you these days. And so for a good reason many never even try a cig. But what if they really wanted to but just made the decision not to be cause smoking is so harmful to yourself and others. And then they see an ecig and say wow no harmful smoke! That is freakin a cool. And right they are it freakin is hella cool. So I don't blame them in taking up vaping. 0 nic or various strengths.

I've thought about that, and going back now I wish I'd listened to those that told me it was bad to start up smoking. It’s not bad that there is an option besides Analogs...I think we all agree on that one.
The majority of the issue that stands is if you can sway someone away from it then it’s best to do so unless there is a good reason. The reason at hand has to be justified beyond the just "Look Cool" image. There is plenty out there that you can substitute for something that will damage your body for life. The paradox of the issue is that we all will make a decision either way and outside influences may or may not have a lasting effect.
As for the health risks involved with vaping, they have yet to be determined. Yes where as many have had positive effects the truth still stands that there is no long term medical data on the effects. There is however long term medical information on PG inhaled as it is a common ingredient in nebulizers and has been for a while. The two are not however identical as one contains additional ingredients (Food coloring, flavorings and Nic) whereas the nebulizer does not therefore cannot be a baseline on this issue.
I myself attempt to lead a healthy lifestyle, I do wish though that I could go back and make some decisions that I would not regret in the future. As for personal preference in truth the choice is yours to make, the thread posting as follows needs to boil down to the base of that people will make decisions regardless of what you may or may not suggest to them. The only thing you can do is to guide them to try zero nic at this point for their health and safety.
Just my point of view on this one.

 

[Fury83]

Yea the words hipster and wannabe are just that, words. I am pretty sure most of us are adult enough to take words and ignore them because they are just that, words. No need to get angry or hostile because someone calls you a hipster or anything. Just laugh and go on knowing that they do not know what they are talking about and probably don't know the meaning of the words they use.

hip·ster
/ˈhipstər/Noun
A person who follows the latest trends and fashions.


wan·na·be
/ˈwänəbē/Noun
derogatory. A person who tries to be like someone else or to fit in with a particular group of people: "a star-struck wannabe".

Figured I would put them in for the people who don't understand.

While I did already know what the words mean and they didn't offend me it comes down to this, framing a message or post in this case. Once you start labeling with a negative connotation, whether or not you understand the actual word, you are just telling me you feel above that person or group. That kind of makes me not interested in what you have to say about them, their actions or opinions because the bias appears to be built in.

 

[Ryedan]

I would say objective facts would be a good thing. Real facts though not just your own opinion ego inflated that you (well not you or maybe you, I dunno) consider facts.

Fury, I totally agree objective facts are the best. OTOH, it can be hard to agree to what is objective (correct) with a topic like this one. The ego thingy gets in the way easily and when that happens communication breaks down. I pretty much gave my thoughts on the conversation in post #137.

 

[Worzel]

A vaping "wanna-be hipster" is better than a wanna-be hipster dying from lung cancer. We are all somebody's sons and daughters.

 

[Fury83]

Fury, I totally agree objective facts are the best. OTOH, it can be hard to agree to what is objective (correct) with a topic like this one. The ego thingy gets in the way easily and when that happens communication breaks down. I pretty much gave my thoughts on the conversation in post #137.

I'll have to look back

I realize the absolute fact list is small but that is the point. I encourage people to go out and do some research, form their own opinion just like we all have. So the small amount of absolute objective facts is perfect for that conversation. I'd rather have the rest of the discussion once they have formed their own opinion.

 

[pherik]

A vaping "wanna-be hipster" is better than a wanna-be hipster dying from lung cancer. We are all somebody's sons and daughters.

I agree with this statement 100%.

And the hipster thing wasn't pointed at one person or as a response, would have quoted, just how I see it. I don't want to start a flame war again, just trying to sit back and respond with my 2 cents.

 

[Worzel]

Why thank you pherik! I see all types of people with e cigs now! I see Grannies, bikers, rednecks, guys who look like Justin Bieber, and all I can say is KISS MY .... BIG TOBACCO!

 

[graybuck]

Probably for the same reason smokers who did not smoke start smoking. (MODERATED) or people drink beer or smoke (OTHER STUFF) . We are odd creatures in nature.

 

[mariahpoo]

Yea the words hipster and wannabe are just that, words. I am pretty sure most of us are adult enough to take words and ignore them because they are just that, words. No need to get angry or hostile because someone calls you a hipster or anything. Just laugh and go on knowing that they do not know what they are talking about and probably don't know the meaning of the words they use.

hip·ster
/ˈhipstər/Noun
A person who follows the latest trends and fashions.


wan·na·be
/ˈwänəbē/Noun
derogatory. A person who tries to be like someone else or to fit in with a particular group of people: "a star-struck wannabe".

Figured I would put them in for the people who don't understand.

I am not offended by the words. I am offended by others need to call people names and belittle them for no reason. I will never understand the need that people have to be mean to each other. It is not in my nature. But it is in my nature to defend those that are being picked on for no reason.

 

[mariahpoo]

I've thought about that, and going back now I wish I'd listened to those that told me it was bad to start up smoking. It’s not bad that there is an option besides Analogs...I think we all agree on that one.
The majority of the issue that stands is if you can sway someone away from it then it’s best to do so unless there is a good reason. The reason at hand has to be justified beyond the just "Look Cool" image. There is plenty out there that you can substitute for something that will damage your body for life. The paradox of the issue is that we all will make a decision either way and outside influences may or may not have a lasting effect.
As for the health risks involved with vaping, they have yet to be determined. Yes where as many have had positive effects the truth still stands that there is no long term medical data on the effects. There is however long term medical information on PG inhaled as it is a common ingredient in nebulizers and has been for a while. The two are not however identical as one contains additional ingredients (Food coloring, flavorings and Nic) whereas the nebulizer does not therefore cannot be a baseline on this issue.
I myself attempt to lead a healthy lifestyle, I do wish though that I could go back and make some decisions that I would not regret in the future. As for personal preference in truth the choice is yours to make, the thread posting as follows needs to boil down to the base of that people will make decisions regardless of what you may or may not suggest to them. The only thing you can do is to guide them to try zero nic at this point for their health and safety.
Just my point of view on this one.

I totally get that. And maybe some people will stick to 0 nic if guided. As for me.... I think no matter what anyone said I would have still choose to add nic to my vape. It just depends on how I feel really. I have 0 nic juices too. Varying strengths from from 0-12. But I belive that nic is not bad for me. And maybe that is why I feel so casual about it?

 

[CanadianCow]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, where I get mad is when people try to shove those beliefs on another person. If someone who doesn't smoke wants to vape then they can have it and it really doesn't matter what I think. I just have to say that it is frustrating to see people getting mad at the FDA (or Health Canada or equivalent) wanting to dictate if another person should be able to vape or not and in the same breath get mad at the government who may dictate that very same thing on the original person. In comes down to this idea that one person "knows" what is best for any other person and that is dangerous on a forum because over a computer it is next to impossible to know everything about anyone else.

I believe this forum should be a place to get information so we all are informed consumers and not a soapbox to push any belief and when we belittle the reasons of another person it brings down the forum as a whole.

 

[M4RKeM4RK]

SO you think condoms are meant for kids? ah... wow

Have you seen the "little jacks" junior sized condoms that they give to kids because the standard ones were falling off? Blew my mind. Off topic but worth mentioning lol

 

[NancyR]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, where I get mad is when people try to shove those beliefs on another person. If someone who doesn't smoke wants to vape then they can have it and it really doesn't matter what I think. I just have to say that it is frustrating to see people getting mad at the FDA (or Health Canada or equivalent) wanting to dictate if another person should be able to vape or not and in the same breath get mad at the government who may dictate that very same thing on the original person. In comes down to this idea that one person "knows" what is best for any other person and that is dangerous on a forum because over a computer it is next to impossible to know everything about anyone else.

I believe this forum should be a place to get information so we all are informed consumers and not a soapbox to push any belief and when we belittle the reasons of another person it brings down the forum as a whole.

And if any of you who are saying I am so wrong for thinking non smokers shouldn't vape ever bothered "reading" my posts to non smokers in this forum you will see I have supported them, helped them, offered advice, and told others to chill out. None of that changes how I feel about it, nor does it change that fact that non smokers starting to vape is one of the things the FDA has stated against e-cigs, it also does not change the fact we don't know how safe they are.