Why do people vape when they never smoked?

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Pg does not though... it just evaporates. And yes... there were some flavorings that caused problems and thus were removed from most e juices. or you can decide not to use the ones you know cause problems.

As for the pg creating an issue, you just may have a sensitivity or allergy. Which most people notice when they do and switch to a juice that feels good to vape. Case closed. These are all arguments that have no stake on why it is okay for you to use nicotine and not someone else. They are all adult and can make up their own mind.

No it doesn't, what it does do is tell me you don't care if people who don't have an addiction ruin their lives. Which you can feel that way if you want.
 

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Exactly. As with fried food, sex with anonymous partners, alcohol or any other consenting adult activity. Why is this an issue to some? I don't get it? Beside the exclusivity thing that is... But I don't feel it should be like that.

There is nothing wrong with nicotine.

If I could make a forum about just these things plus vaping...

And yeah, nicotine in itself can be one of two things in my view, legal for adults or not. I don't see how any stipulations in between that are realistic, fair or relevant.
 

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Ive never made up a fact on this forum, ever.You dont have to do that when you know what youre talking about. Anyone reading this thread or any others that Ive commented on can see that for themselves at any time.

As for me saying someone shouldnt do something? Thats the voice of experience talking, something you quite obviously dont know much about.

Sounds like you just have a very strong opinion on this matter. Which is all this topic is really about. It does seem like you are being less than nice about it though.
 

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I read it all. It's part straw man and completely apples to oranges, it would been a nifty allegory but you stayed to close to the original subject.

Now what's the point you really want to make?

Its been made many times over already in this thread, by me and others ad nauseum. Thanks for the critique though.
 

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exactly !!

who do people start vapin that never smoked ?? more importantly,why do people start smoking even though they know it is bad for them


I have never said they can't vape, I have said and I stand by if they are going to it should be 0 nic, and they should be informed. I am not for shoving it in their face and telling them it is all rainbows and unicorns when we don't know if it is safe.
 

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Ive never made up a fact on this forum, ever.You dont have to do that when you know what youre talking about. Anyone reading this thread or any others that Ive commented on can see that for themselves at any time.

As for me saying someone shouldnt do something? Thats the voice of experience talking, something you quite obviously dont know much about.

I sense some severe entitlement issues in this one.Gone to the dark side he has.

So you have factual data to back this up, you didn't make it up?

Please! You didnt even know about the F.D.A argument until a few minutes ago when I posted it. You arent fooling anyone here but yourself

I have much experience about a lot of things. Just because you made the bad decision to smoke cigarettes, and other people choose to make a better decision and use a "safer alternative", somehow you automatically become better than them?

Show me where I posted about being entitled to anything other than my own decisions?
 
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Its been made many times over already in this thread, by me and others ad nauseum. Thanks for the critique though.

The critique is the price for me reading the story. I didn't mean it to be personal, I was just being honest.

I can't think of a nice way (well nice sounding, again it's not personal) to put my feelings on some of your other posts into words at the moment, so let's just say I don't agree with the "I'm a big deal here and my opinion counts more" portion of your argument, paraphrasing of course, and a few other things.
 

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So you have factual data to back this up, you didn't make it up?

Ill be happy too tomorrow after I get home from work.Until then all anyone has to do is go back and read all 44 of your posts to see how full of it you are :)

Maybe you can point them to some of the other forums youre a member at so they can look at those too. Or you can regale them with stories abut how you were around when the Ego came out.Either way I dont care. I need some sleep and this thread has gone past silly.
 

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The critique is the price for me reading the story. I didn't mean it to be personal, I was just being honest.

I can't think of a nice way (well nice sounding, again it's not personal) to put my feelings on some of your other posts into words at the moment, so let's just say I don't agree with the "I'm a big deal here and my opinion counts more" portion of your argument, paraphrasing of course, and a few other things.

Duly noted! Ill say three hail Marys and do a full confession tomorrow.Until then I promise I wont lose any sleep over it. Have a nice night :)
 

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Duly noted! Ill say three hail Marys and do a full confession tomorrow.Until then I promise I wont lose any sleep over it. Have a nice night :)

I would hope you don't lose sleep over an internet strangers opinion. Have a good confession!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a heathen so I don't know how that works though.
 

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This thread has been a fascinating read so far. I have not seen this much raw emotion on ECF for a long time. The subject matter is obviously important to many of us. Just for the record I believe no one should smoke, vape, drink or do any other drugs, beat their SO or anyone else for that matter, drive over the speed limit or kill people. I think you get the idea.

Anytime I have seen a post from someone who has never smoked who was thinking of starting to vape I spoke up suggesting they not do it and explained my reasoning. I have more than 100 posts. I wish I were still young! I smoked for over 35 years. I do not want government to tell me I can't continue to vape. I do not like being called stupid.

No-one can stop anyone from smoking or vaping nic or no-nic juice today. All these options are legal now. The only control we have in this situation is to figure out the best course of action for us vapers and execute on that plan. Over the years I've figured out that people's opinions are usually significant. Especially if they are different than mine. Those are the ones that give me insight into things I would never have thought of on my own. Very useful if I 'listen' to them.

My $0.02 (and you know what they say about free advice ...) - I've seen a lot of name calling, insulting comments, low blows and generally trying to impose will on others from some in this thread. It would be a lot more beneficial to actually communicate. This is after all an important issue. Just saying.
 

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No it doesn't, what it does do is tell me you don't care if people who don't have an addiction ruin their lives. Which you can feel that way if you want.

I doubt that vaping will ruin any ones life. Now... alcohol or hard drugs yes. I am concerned about that. Like I have stated before vaping is not as addicting as other substances. IMHO it is even less addicting then caffeine in vape form. My cigarette addiction was absolutely horrible and life threatening. I do not consider myself addicted to vaping at all. And I don't see vaping leading to hard drugs or anything. So again... not really a good argument.

Adults know nicotine is an addictive substance. However like the Dr. said nicotine addiction alone is really not that bad. At all. It is really just a relaxing stimulant that feels good. What is so bad or wrong about that?

So we are back to it is fine for any consulting adult to choose to vape. You can look down on non smoker vapors if you wnt. But I will not.
 
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As far as I can tell, after watching millions of you-tube reviews to find myself info on the vaping world, i found MANY reviewers that did NOT smoke cigs or any kind of tobacco related products before they got into e-stuffs. Apparently there is a dieting trend that is going around and people are smoking 0mg Juices of their favorite flavors to "Curb their appetite". They pop in their favorite flavor of juice when they get the urge to eat, puff it up for a bit and, viola!!! Supposedly it works or maybe its just a lame excuse to try to be trendy, i dunno, but the people that do this seem to be pretty physically fit, so they must be doing something right.
 

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This thread has been a fascinating read so far. I have not seen this much raw emotion on ECF for a long time. The subject matter is obviously important to many of us. Just for the record I believe no one should smoke, vape, drink or do any other drugs, beat their SO or anyone else for that matter, drive over the speed limit or kill people. I think you get the idea.

Anytime I have seen a post from someone who has never smoked who was thinking of starting to vape I spoke up suggesting they not do it and explained my reasoning. I have more than 100 posts. I wish I were still young! I smoked for over 35 years. I do not want government to tell me I can't continue to vape. I do not like being called stupid.

No-one can stop anyone from smoking or vaping nic or no-nic juice today. All these options are legal now. The only control we have in this situation is to figure out the best course of action for us vapers and execute on that plan. Over the years I've figured out that people's opinions are usually significant. Especially if they are different than mine. Those are the ones that give me insight into things I would never have thought of on my own. Very useful if I 'listen' to them.

My $0.02 (and you know what they say about free advice ...) - I've seen a lot of name calling, insulting comments, low blows and generally trying to impose will on others from some in this thread. It would be a lot more beneficial to actually communicate. This is after all an important issue. Just saying.

I think besides my mildly passive-aggressive comment above yours, I tried to keep a level tone so to speak.

I'm not saying that to toot my horn, I think it's important. It's also important to remember that being blunt is not necessarily being mean.
 
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