Why do vapers expect to be treated differently than smokers?

[hytek]

God dang it.... You stupid parents why did you bring you 6 month old baby to the movie theater crying, pissing, and ....ting, making out noises, creating horrible smells and ruining my general experience...

We havent outlawed birthgiving, nor have we restricted access for babies to movies theaters, due to the nature it is a human right. We dont arrest the parents of the baby for causing psychological, and auditory harm to the babies frail mind and ears because they subjected it to extremely dangerous decibels of sounds, and violent graphical images.

 

[ricks]

vaping is NOT smoking and it shouldn't be seen as the same. I think we should be able to vape where we want. We should have NO restrictions as long as we don't blow our vapor in peoples faces. (unless they want to try and smell it) lol.

 

[wdawg88]

Exactly. Thank you.

finally, somebody that gets it.

 

[wv2win]

Every action has a reaction. "I can vape anywhere I want" = more restrictive laws.

That's just BS and not supported by the facts. Before anyone was vaping openly, the same groups who are currently working hard to have vaping banned or severely restricted were doing it back in 2008 - 2009. It had nothing to do with how people were vaping only that it existed and looked similar to smoking.

Hiding in dark corners and pretending to smoke by vaping with smokers, clearly sends one impression: vaping is dangerous and will harm you, stay far away from it. It just further supports the ANTZ's agenda.

Vaping openly but respectfully is the logical course of action.

 

[hytek]

finally, somebody that gets it.

No, not at all. Being a douche and abusing your right is how you get it taken away. Most of us are not abusing our right to vape anywhere. We cherish it. We use it as ammunition for the war. I have converted many smokers just by them seeing me and coming up to have a chat. If we dont put it out there, then how do we save lives.

At the end of the day its about saving lives. So go stay in your home hiding away, while us, the soldiers, fight the fight against cigarette influenced diseases and death.

 

[wdawg88]

No, not at all. Being a douche and abusing your right is how you get it taken away. Most of us are not abusing our right to vape anywhere. We cherish it. We use it as ammunition for the war. I have converted many smokers just by them seeing me and coming up to have a chat. If we dont put it out there, then how do we save lives.

At the end of the day its about saving lives. So go stay in your home hiding away, while us, the soldiers, fight the fight against cigarette influenced diseases and death.

We smoked our ecigs all day at Marquee.
It was allowed.

Keep fighting, and make it worse for us normal guys that vape on ecigs in designated areas.

 

[Snicks]

First, your "example" is absurd. If someone was actually doing that, then they are the .00001% of idiots that can be found in any sub-group in the country. And you don't base a restriction on the few idiots spread out across the country.

Second, there have been several studies that show their is nothing in exhaled vapor at a level that would harm others. Noted experts in the fields of Public Health and Harm Reduction, such as Dr. Murry Laugesen, Dr. Michael Siegel, Dr. Elizabeth Whelen and Bill Godshaw to name several, all have weighted in on the safety of exhaled vapor.

One of the more recent studies was in the November issue of Inhalation Toxicology Journal where Dr Siegel stated on the studies results: "While secondhand smoke must be eliminated in workplaces and public places, the current data provide no justification for eliminating electronic cigarette use in these places.”- Dr. Michael Siegel of Boston University School of Public Health.

I will follow the lead of noted experts (and common sense) instead of some randon person on ECF who believes vaping and smoking are the same.

Thats all well and good but the point being made here is that you shouldn't have to vape every where you go. You should always be considerate of the people around you.

My building at work is a smoke free building (we have designated areas outside for smoking) and as of this time there is no rule against vaping. I can vape in my building and I have at my desk but I don't do it in other peoples offices, in the hallways, around groups of people. Just because I can vape doesn't mean I should vape in some areas that might put off others.

Someone has brought up how they like to vape while dining out to eat. Blowing vape under the table. See i don't get this. Why not just wait till after you eat and leave the establishment? Even back when smoking was allowed in resturants and I smoked heavily back then; I still refrained from doing it because most people don't appreciate smoke in their face while eating. People out eating today may not realize you are vaping...they just see the smoke like clouds blowing out of your mouth. Even if they are aware of what vaping is they may not realize that is what you are doing...lets face it; it looks like smoke.

I can hold off vaping for an hour while out eating. I can be respectful of the people around me. I can hold off vaping at the movies...I'm not so addicted that I need to vape every where I go just because I can.

I vape in public all the time but I don't do in someone's face.

Smoking and vaping are totally different and I completely agree that from the articles I've read that it is much less harmful than second hand vape is a non-issue but others don't believe it or know. Ignorant yes but all I can do is educate when I can and be respectful of those around me.

 

[wv2win]

That's ok. I never told you to follow me. I also never said vaping is dangerous. You're upset, cause I have an opnion. You are entitled to that.

Just remember, some people don't want to smell your vaping habits. Go to a designated area please.

First, my eliquid has no smell.

Second, if it did have a smell, vaping respectfully, as I advocate, I would not be blowing it in someones face.

Third, your "actions" of segregating vapers with smokers, states more loudly than words, that vaping is dangerous. Perception is reality and that is the perception that you want us all to present to the uninformed.

Fourth, you are more than entitled to your opinion, even when it doesn't stand up to scrutiny or common sense. I run into people like that every week, usually driving a car 40 miles an hour in the left lane of a major interstate.

 

[hytek]

Simply put. There are varying views. Maybe in california thats your attitude. Here in New York, we are much more blunt. In New York, you have to be the loudest voice. You have to push through no matter what. That means not giving in. Not being victimized, and criminalized, and generally taken advantage of. Ive been asked is that a bomb. Is that an eHookah, is that a sonic screwdriver. After I explained, I have never once been asked to stop, except at a bar, but it was cause the bouncer didnt want people to think they could smoke real cigarettes, he had previous problems the week before with that.

And guess what, thats okay with me, because i didnt want real cigarettes lit up in their either. I am a Non Smoker now.

 

[wdawg88]

Thats all well and good but the point being made here is that you shouldn't have to vape every where you go. You should always be considerate of the people around you.

My building at work is a smoke free building (we have designated areas outside for smoking) and as of this time there is no rule against vaping. I can vape in my building and I have at my desk but I don't do it in other peoples offices, in the hallways, around groups of people. Just because I can vape doesn't mean I should vape in some areas that might put off others.

Someone has brought up how they like to vape while dining out to eat. Blowing vape under the table. See i don't get this. Why not just wait till after you eat and leave the establishment? Even back when smoking was allowed in resturants and I smoked heavily back then; I still refrained from doing it because most people don't appreciate smoke in their face while eating. People out eating today may not realize you are vaping...they just see the smoke like clouds blowing out of your mouth. Even if they are aware of what vaping is they may not realize that is what you are doing...lets face it; it looks like smoke.

I can hold off vaping for an hour while out eating. I can be respectful of the people around me. I can hold off vaping at the movies...I'm not so addicted that I need to vape every where I go just because I can.

I vape in public all the time but I don't do in someone's face.

Smoking and vaping are totally different and I completely agree that from the articles I've read that it is much less harmful than second hand vape is a non-issue but others don't believe it or know. Ignorant yes but all I can do is educate when I can and be respectful of those around me.

Many ppl agree with you.

 

[hytek]

People out eating today may not realize you are vaping...they just see the smoke like clouds blowing out of your mouth..

Oh believe me, they can see my K100+ Mod Telescoped out to 18650 size, with a Drip Shield on the top, and Ego Converter with a Mega Ego Dual coil on the top.

They think its a bomb. Until they see vapor, and then their like oh, its one of those electronic things, that cool.

 

[wdawg88]

Simply put. There are varying views. Maybe in california thats your attitude. Here in New York, we are much more blunt. In New York, you have to be the loudest voice. You have to push through no matter what. That means not giving in. Not being victimized, and criminalized, and generally taken advantage of. Ive been asked is that a bomb. Is that an eHookah, is that a sonic screwdriver. After I explained, I have never once been asked to stop, except at a bar, but it was cause the bouncer didnt want people to think they could smoke real cigarettes, he had previous problems the week before with that.

And guess what, thats okay with me, because i didnt want real cigarettes lit up in their either. I am a Non Smoker now.

Ok I see your point about NY vs California. Different dynamics.

 

[wdawg88]

Oh believe me, they can see my K100+ Mod Telescoped out to 18650 size, with a Drip Shield on the top, and Ego Converter with a Mega Ego Dual coil on the top.

They think its a bomb. Until they see vapor, and then their like oh, its one of those electronic things, that cool.

That's what some dood said about my provari/evic cirrus tank this weekend. Couln't believe the vapor it produced

 

[wdawg88]

First, my eliquid has no smell.

Second, your "actions" of segregating vapers with smokers, states more loudly than words, that vaping is dangerous. Perception is reality and that is the perception that you want us all to present to the uninformed.

Third, you are more than entitled to your opinion, even when it doesn't up to scrutiny or common sense. I run into people like that every week, usually driving a car 40 miles an hour in the left lane of a major interstate.

dood, you are just arguing with me to argue.
Let it go man.

 

[hytek]

Ok I see your point about NY vs California. Different dynamics.

You know, Thanks. I dont really know you really well, so i take an offensive stance instantly thinking you are stuck on one side and thats how youll always be.

Listen as long as you have helped people get off the analogs your cool with me, no matter how different our view are.

 

[wdawg88]

You know, Thanks. I dont really know you really well, so i take an offensive stance instantly thinking you are stuck on one side and thats how youll always be.

Listen as long as you have helped people get off the analogs your cool with me, no matter how different our view are.

Ya it's cool. I have converted 2 of my best friends over to ecigs. Ecigs have been the best thing to happen in my life.

What I don't want is this to get f'd up and we get banned and tax'd.

hence the don't vape where you can't smoke attitude.

 

[wv2win]

Thats all well and good but the point being made here is that you shouldn't have to vape every where you go. You should always be considerate of the people around you.....................................

If I have stated it once, I have stated in this thread and many others, about 100 times: vape openly most places (not all) BUT do it respectfully.

I don't see us as being at odds on this subject.

 

[wv2win]

dood, you are just arguing with me to argue.
Let it go man.

No, I'm just pointing out the many weaknesses in your "opinion". Stop making absurd examples and I will stop responding.

And if you do some research, you will discover that how someone vapes has nothing to do with the reasons why some groups are working hard to have vaping banned or severely restricted.

 

[wdawg88]

No, I'm just pointing out the many weaknesses in your "opinion". Stop making absurd examples and I will stop responding.

then just quit responding..

 

[e-pipeman]

then just quit responding..

He can only do that is you "stop making absurd examples". This will keep going back and forth like that - maybe it's something to do with Wimbledon?