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Thanks John. I'm a carto girl all the way, it's all I have ever used so I'm pretty adept at filling them. It's probably why I have so much trouble with the darn attys. I really just want to be able to test juices without wasting a carto, I've cleaned Cartos but it's a big pain. They really make the C look easy to use, but another question is will all my 510 Cartos fit on it? I just ordered some dct's too. Cripes, I hate that I haven't figured this stuff out yet!!
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"I really just want to be able to test juices without wasting a carto ... "
Well then you're going to love this. The absolute best way that I've found to taste a variety of juices one after the other, with very little blending of flavors from one to the next, is with one of these: a Cisco-type 306 bridgeless atomizer.
LR306 Low Resistance Bridgeless 1.5ohm Atomizer (Cisco Spec) - Avid Vaper
306 atomizers are better for this that 510's because the 306's have a top that is partially covered, with a small round hole in the top. 510's are completely open on the top. With a 306, you can squeeze juice right into the atomizer by pressing your bottle right against the top of the atomizer, forcing juice right into it and through it. For the first juice you try, just squeeze, slowly and deliberately, until a single drop appears on the bottom of the atty. It doesn't even have to drip off, it can just hang there. Put the atty on your PV, maybe give the threads a quick wipe where the atty meets the batty, and vape. Yum.
For subsequent flavors, squeeze the next juice in until maybe 3 drops or so come out of the bottom. This flushes the old juice out as the new juice goes in. Fire it up, and you'll hardly taste the old flavor, if at all. With this method, you can have a flavor-tasting session like you've never had before. Warning: you might stay up until 3am like I did, because it will be hard to stop.
Since I don't like to waste juice, I collect the "flush" drops in a bottle labeled "???????". If I ever run out of juice, I'll try some of it.
^ Debridged 510 on left, debridged 306 on right
^ The "CT Flush" in progress
^ "The Morning After"
Well then you're going to love this. The absolute best way that I've found to taste a variety of juices one after the other, with very little blending of flavors from one to the next, is with one of these: a Cisco-type 306 bridgeless atomizer.
LR306 Low Resistance Bridgeless 1.5ohm Atomizer (Cisco Spec) - Avid Vaper
306 atomizers are better for this that 510's because the 306's have a top that is partially covered, with a small round hole in the top. 510's are completely open on the top. With a 306, you can squeeze juice right into the atomizer by pressing your bottle right against the top of the atomizer, forcing juice right into it and through it. For the first juice you try, just squeeze, slowly and deliberately, until a single drop appears on the bottom of the atty. It doesn't even have to drip off, it can just hang there. Put the atty on your PV, maybe give the threads a quick wipe where the atty meets the batty, and vape. Yum.
For subsequent flavors, squeeze the next juice in until maybe 3 drops or so come out of the bottom. This flushes the old juice out as the new juice goes in. Fire it up, and you'll hardly taste the old flavor, if at all. With this method, you can have a flavor-tasting session like you've never had before. Warning: you might stay up until 3am like I did, because it will be hard to stop.
Since I don't like to waste juice, I collect the "flush" drops in a bottle labeled "???????". If I ever run out of juice, I'll try some of it.
^ Debridged 510 on left, debridged 306 on right
^ The "CT Flush" in progress
^ "The Morning After"
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Since I don't like to waste juice, I collect the "flush" drops in a bottle labeled "???????". If I ever run out of juice, I'll try some of it.
The pipe shop we used to have sold something like that, "Heli Fino".
Yes, your 510 cartomizers will work just fine
LR attys/cartos (1.5Ohm and the like) aren't recommended as they can reduce the lifespan of your battery.
I have been using my Ego - C for about a week now, and I have no complaints. Started with a disposable q510 Ecig, and quickly ordered the ego - c as my first real starter kit. No leaks at all, figured out when vaping on it do slow pulls (when you hear the whistle sound you are pulling too hard), and everything has been great so far. Even got one of my coworkers that has been vaping for a year now with his box system to get a ego - c as soon as he saw how well it worked and how streamlined it looked. I definitely would recommend it to anyone looking for a great starter kit for under 100 dollars.
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couldnt you just take the spike out of the c? No different, unless I'm mistaken...
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Yes, your 510 cartomizers will work just fine
Aww hell, 1.5's are great with 3.4 - 3.7V PV's - heats up a single coil right where it wants to be; everybody and his uncle runs them on eGo/kGo/iGo/uGo batteries all the time with negligible ill effects. Just can't run them on a dinky little ciggie look-alike.
Go ahead and rock that thang, sister.
I reckon you could ... never tried it, since I haven't ordered my -C conversion kit yet. I know the 306 rocks with this method, but the -C atty could very well be just as good. Try it and get back to us!
Nice smoke ring BTW
My take on the E-Go C is what ever works for you. I have one and it has been flawless. I leave in the morning with 2 cigs and use about 1.5 of it before I go to bed. Does higher voltage and LR atomizers have a effect? Sure they do, but where does it stop? I am waiting to read about someone with a mod that they converted there hairdryer because it gives great TH. (don't try this at home) Ego is now coming out with a VV battery that will leave alot of other mfg. out of the picture. I for one will follow Joyetech
I cant wait for the twist. Such a cheap PV with a lot of potential. FINALLY they create a VV to get all the modders. It might not have as good of battery life, but two 1000 mah ones will provide plenty of power for my day.
I hear what you're saying, somewhat, but having now had some experience with higher voltage (5V Smoktech Woo), I can now begin to fully understand the benefits of higher voltage vaping. It is a whole different animal, and you get a LOT more flavor out of juices when you can power the atomizer coils so they get hot enough to really get the juice motivated. With a full-range (3-6 volt) VV APV, you can dial them in to the exact right level for any particular juice, regardless of whether you're using single or dual coil.
(Very interesting thread here on single and dual coil, and how each one needs to be powered - I consider it a "must read").
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ined-detail-single-dual-coil-atty-cartos.html
Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming Joyetech batteries - not hard, anyway. For what they are - a relatively high-drain, reliable 3.4V sealed battery - they're fine. But even with a low-resistance "works", 3.4 volts will simply not give you as much flavor and vapor production as say 5 volts. I know that for a fact because I'm doing it right now. Going back and forth between a 1.5 DCT (Smoktech 3.5ml tank) and a 1.5 EMDCC (jumbo cartomizer) first on the Joyetech and then on the 5V Woo, there is a world of difference. The flavor (my "Studio Reference" flavor, Geoff's Blend from Tasty Vapor) is far more muted on the Joyetech than on the Woo. At 5 volts, I can taste the sweetness on my tongue, the flavor is much fuller, and the vapor production is far better. If you think you can get this same performance with a 3.4V Joyetech battery, it's simply because you don't know what you're missing. I don't mean that to sound arrogant, I just think it's true. I didn't know what I was missing either until I experienced it for myself.
Yes, the Joyetech eGo Twist will make for a better vape, but it's still going to limit you to 4.8 volts, and that will be derived from a 3.4V battery, with the voltage transformed up. The Woo is a particularly powerful device because it has 2 - 3.7volt batteries = 7.4 volts that it regulates down. Much better battery life and current flow. The same is the case with the new Smoktech VMax [ProVari clone]; using two batteries, it will outperform the ProVari V2 in getting power to the "works"; electrons will simply flow out of it faster, like water flows faster out of a garden hose at higher pressure. Just that simple.
Using single coil stuff on lower voltage devices helps, since with a dual coil device each coil only gets half the current of a single coil at the same watts, but there's still no substitute for higher voltage.
Where does it stop? Well, I think it at least seriously slows down when you have a full-range VV device, like a ProVari V2, Provari Mini, Smoktech VMax, Lavatube, Darwin, or one of many others. I will probably always use my Joyetech with the eGo-C works that I'll soon be getting, but I am certainly not going to restrict my vaping to only it. It's great for out-and-about, and for looking relatively inconspicuous, but now that I know what a superior vape higher voltages give you, there is no sensible reason for me to use it 100% of the time, especially when I'm relaxing at home, and want the best vape I can get. No Joyetech battery, including the Twist, will provide that.
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All that is fine on a personal note. But in light of this thread and the bad rap Joytech eGo-Cs get it's not. The video put up yesterday by cozzicon has him saying he doesn't vape as high as the Twist goes and then he confirmed it killed the flavor. So should he bad mouth all batteries over 4v as flavor killers because that's where his personal taste is?
I am pretty happy with the flavors I get from a standard eGo-C, regulated battery, standard resistance. Will 4.8v do the same as 5v? Of course not, but 5v won't do the same as the 1500w hairdryer mod either, just think of the flavor and clouds you can get from that 2 foot coil pumping 1500w. It comes down to personal tastes.
If your personal taste is 5v that doesn't mean 3.4v is a flavor killer like some spread around here? It simply means they don't like it.
What I've been wondering because I don't like throat hit and a slightly dry burn gives me plenty and a sore throat, at what point does it stop being vaporizing and become smoking? Is that point already here?
Please re-read my post very carefully. Nowhere did I say that you can't get good a vape with a Joyetech Twist. Your highlighting that sentence indicates to me that you didn't quite get what I'm saying.
"but now that I know what a superior vape higher voltages give you". That is a fact, not opinion. When I said that, if you read exactly what I said in my post, you'll see that I was clearly saying "higher than 3.4". Will the Twist power certain atomizers "just right" within its power range? Of course. Will it do that for any juice, any resistance of atomizer, single or dual coil, given its maximum output of 4.8 volts? No, it won't.
Even with a 1.5 ohm dual coil, each coil will be getting 4.8 x 4.8 / 1.5 / 2 = 7.68 watts. Most juices wake up with around 8-10 watts going through the coil they're cozied up next to. With a single coil atomizer, I would say that yes, a Twist should be able to give you a very, very good vape, but still probably not as good as a more powerful device delivering 8-10 watts to each coil of a dual coil atomizer.
And if anyone were to "bad mouth all batteries over 4v as flavor killers", that would be due to a lack of understanding of how voltage, resistance, and number of coils relate to the quality of the vape.
In conclusion, I think I've said nothing that you have shown to be incorrect. I think my math and science here is solid, but if you or someone else can demonstrate otherwise, I'd be happy to consider your reasoning. And I will venture again to say that you don't know what you're missing. A Twist with a single coil cartomizer on it will give you a good idea of it though, IMO.
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Oh - and as for "All that is fine on a personal note. But in light of this thread and the bad rap Joytech eGo-Cs get it's not":
My observations are only "personal" to the extent that I'm using my own personal sensory organs to determine beyond any doubt for myself that the flavor, vapor production, and vape in general is better at significantly higher voltages than a Joyetech 3.4 battery can provide, regardless of atomizer.
What I do find "personal", and unwarranted, is your determination that what I have said so far is "not fine". I think that's out of line.
"but now that I know what a superior vape higher voltages give you". That is a fact, not opinion. When I said that, if you read exactly what I said in my post, you'll see that I was clearly saying "higher than 3.4". Will the Twist power certain atomizers "just right" within its power range? Of course. Will it do that for any juice, any resistance of atomizer, single or dual coil, given its maximum output of 4.8 volts? No, it won't.
Even with a 1.5 ohm dual coil, each coil will be getting 4.8 x 4.8 / 1.5 / 2 = 7.68 watts. Most juices wake up with around 8-10 watts going through the coil they're cozied up next to. With a single coil atomizer, I would say that yes, a Twist should be able to give you a very, very good vape, but still probably not as good as a more powerful device delivering 8-10 watts to each coil of a dual coil atomizer.
And if anyone were to "bad mouth all batteries over 4v as flavor killers", that would be due to a lack of understanding of how voltage, resistance, and number of coils relate to the quality of the vape.
In conclusion, I think I've said nothing that you have shown to be incorrect. I think my math and science here is solid, but if you or someone else can demonstrate otherwise, I'd be happy to consider your reasoning. And I will venture again to say that you don't know what you're missing. A Twist with a single coil cartomizer on it will give you a good idea of it though, IMO.
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Oh - and as for "All that is fine on a personal note. But in light of this thread and the bad rap Joytech eGo-Cs get it's not":
My observations are only "personal" to the extent that I'm using my own personal sensory organs to determine beyond any doubt for myself that the flavor, vapor production, and vape in general is better at significantly higher voltages than a Joyetech 3.4 battery can provide, regardless of atomizer.
What I do find "personal", and unwarranted, is your determination that what I have said so far is "not fine". I think that's out of line.
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I understand you were talking personally.
I was putting it into the context of this thread. Not that you were saying anything less than what you like is bad for everyone, but that's what a lot of people do.
You are correct, I don't know what I'm missing and probably never will, that's not how I am. I don't rush out to get the latest and greatest (I quit PC gaming because that became a requirement every 6 months).
I know what I hated about my RN-4072s 3 years ago. I researched and thought the eGo-C fixed those problems. So far it has and I'm happy and will probably remain happy.
I have yet to get juice on my fingers or a mouthful. There are still dry hits but they're nowhere near as bad as with the 4072s. Give me a variable so I can fine tune the flavors for the $8 more and I should be really happy.
I was putting it into the context of this thread. Not that you were saying anything less than what you like is bad for everyone, but that's what a lot of people do.
You are correct, I don't know what I'm missing and probably never will, that's not how I am. I don't rush out to get the latest and greatest (I quit PC gaming because that became a requirement every 6 months).
I know what I hated about my RN-4072s 3 years ago. I researched and thought the eGo-C fixed those problems. So far it has and I'm happy and will probably remain happy.
I have yet to get juice on my fingers or a mouthful. There are still dry hits but they're nowhere near as bad as with the 4072s. Give me a variable so I can fine tune the flavors for the $8 more and I should be really happy.
I think there's a big difference here between say "getting the latest and greatest HD TV" when you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and the one you already own without an advanced degree in electronics, and getting a power source that would create a significant, unmistakeable improvement in your vape. At 3.4 volts, you are not getting all of the flavor that you would at a higher voltage. With a 1.25 ohm single-coil atomizer you could come close, at 9.2 watts, but then you'd have to ditch your Joyetech tanks and attys, and you still wouldn't be able to optimally atomize all different types and flavors of juices.
You said you wanted to stick with Joyetech, so I hope you do get a Twist. I know I will be. When you finally do taste the very noticeable improvement in flavor at the higher voltage, you'll know what I mean. You have a treat in store for you that I hope you don't deprive yourself of.
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WOW!! Great reading, you guys!! I have to tell you, I've been struggling for over a week now about wether or not to get a Lavatube. I decided I like what I have, I really need to be able to carry whatever I have in my pocket & bigger devices just look too big for my pocket. So I ordered another KGO. Now I'm kinda sorry I didn't get the Lavatube!!! Well,, I think I'll try that atty you recommended John. Cisco, right? (I'll have to scroll back!). Lots of great info here!! Guess I'll save next months overtime and take a second look at maybe a mini-lava. Thanks guys!! I've got lots to learn!
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I don't believe Xw-Yw is the best for everyone. Taste is subjective.
Another "rap" with the eGo-C is people pushing the LR attys on everyone yet not everyone likes them. Some people do like the 3.4v/SRs.
What I want with variable is to try to taste a tasteless juice I have. Maybe kill some of the coconut and bring out the pineapple in one I don't like (but I would settle for just killing the coconut). Adjust a tobacco flavor I have to be a little less heavy.
I'm guessing the melon and orange I have will be getting vaped at the same low setting I'm locked into now because I like them as they are.
The things I didn't like about the RN-4072s didn't have anything to do with the 4ohms meaning bad flavor, I thought they had good flavor dripping. The better flavor of the same juices in the eGo-C has nothing to do with the ohms but the tank being close to dripping.
As a 40 year smoker I finally gave up analogs because of E-Cigs, started with V2 and quickly went to Ego-C because of the volume in can hold and battery lifespan. I have only 2 times ran a battery down halfway and use 1.5 E-Cigs a day (glade my kit gave me 2) Right now I am vaping 22mg UNFLAVORED juice so the flavor does not concern me. I bought about 15 different flavorings from 2 different venders and all taste bad except 1 on the day of delivery. The answer STEEP the flavors for hours or days or even weeks. I am not about to do that. When I buy something I want to begin using as soon as I get it in my hands, Could you imagine buying a cake, a car or a TV and being told don't use it for weeks, just let it sit and it will be better. I was trying to replicate my smoking with the E-Cig to get off analogs and have done so (so Far) Will all these MODS give more- sure they will but it is not needed for my situation. No different to me then buying a new car, could I replace the enging with a 1500hp twin turbo and go 5.0 seconds in the 1\4 mile? yea but why would I do that if what I have is working as intended. As John mentioned he switches between a couple things because of size. I want 1 thing for all time like I did with my analogs, If I went to buy some and they were out I would drive somewhere else to get what I was looking for,not buy something else. Im a sure when I get my Ego Twist I will find a voltage I like and will be staying there for a long time, it would be nice for thoses few times when I can't seem to get a good hit due to a dirty atomizer
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