Well, it gave us something to do - so mission accomplished... ha.
Why E ciggaretts is not been studied probably ?? what effects and side effects does it cause to our body? is it safer than regular cigs??
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Well, it gave us something to do - so mission accomplished... ha.
Agreed, but analogs could have zero chemicals in them. Wouldn't matter much. Heart disease from smoking is primarily caused by carbon monoxide. Then you have tar that clog your lungs.
Perhaps these two do not cause cancer, and the chemicals do, but either will either ruin your life or kill you. Take your pick.
Perhaps these two do not cause cancer, and the chemicals do, but either will either ruin your life or kill you. Take your pick.
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I know I was entertained!
Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, I have my 5 yr old son tomorrow, so I need to get some rest.
I wish you all a good night! (Except for the doc, of course!)
I haven't read all the post since I left today, but I assume the good Doc has left us for the moment. I think the funniest part of the whole debate is the fact that cigarettes are not regulated by the FDA.
The Family Smoking Prevention and tobacco Control Act gave the FDA a bit of power against cigarettes, but they don't stand a chance against BT so they set their sights on the little e-cig companies that BT would love to see curtailed.
Dr. Sami,
This is a site for Vapers. MD's usually have their own. Like the ones for clinical trials and this is not one. Perhaps the vap community will slow down your business with the absence of smoking related illness'. Get a gov't grant to do a study and waste more tax dollars now that you dont have my health business to prosper over. I find it offensive that you use this site, "UNLESS YOU ARE A VAPER".
This is a site for Vapers. MD's usually have their own. Like the ones for clinical trials and this is not one. Perhaps the vap community will slow down your business with the absence of smoking related illness'. Get a gov't grant to do a study and waste more tax dollars now that you dont have my health business to prosper over. I find it offensive that you use this site, "UNLESS YOU ARE A VAPER".
I don't think the site is limited to vapers. Many people come here for information before they consider it for themselves or family members. I don't have a problem with that. And I personally don't mind medical doctors putting up posts and contributing information. It would just be nice to know if they are actually MD's or not. How that is possible I don't know since its everyone's right to remain anonymous here. Since there is a special forum for MDs, perhaps they could be screened or approved before they can post in the open forums as MDs "officially". I would like to hear what MDs might have to say about ecigs, vaping, patient response, any new study results (if any), etc etc. I just don't want someone "posing" as a doctor to pass out false or mis-leading information.
I agree, In fact, I wouldn't mind curious MD's coming on and asking questions at all. I think that would be a very good thing. My issue with this thread was there seemed to be fishing for what was wrong with vaping - and not trying to make a logical examination of what it really is.
This is why people got on him.
This is why people got on him.
It is complex because the third component - flavouring - consists of many different compounds. Do you think all of these compounds have been tested? Even though they're FDA approved that doesn't mean they looked at inhalation. Remember diacetyl. For instance, like you say, just because something is consumed, doesn't mean it is absorbed - depending on the way it's consumed, often. Given that, surely you can see a valid reason for listing flavouring agents in e-liquid, and testing their inhalation?
anyone know what is in a nubizier that causes the mist? It's probaly pg, vg or distilled water. So if anyone knows that one chime in and let us know. So if it's one of those components they have been already cleared by the FDA as a inhalint. And if you think about the flavorings which most i've seen are from candy making companies. Well when you make most candies it is heated much hotter than any of the attys would do to it and the flavorings are safe according to the FDA.
Just food for thought
Misshaunter
Just food for thought
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I agree Joe. Every supplier should list ALL ingredients so people can make their own decisions. The key verbiage is - their own decisions. I have no interest in others making my personal choices for me.
If I want to smoke 6 packs a day or eat 42 taco's a day it will not end well. However, people should be able to choose to do what they wish.
Just an update, for all of you that wished me well, on my CT Scan.
I just found out this morning, that there has not been any change in the nodule, since my last CT Scan in 2007! So, I'm going to be fine, and I know that, because since I have quit smoking, I can breathe soooo much easier now, so there's your proof. It was from 37 years of smoking analogs, and not from the E-Cigs. Besides, I've only been a non-smoker for 2 months. Thank God for E-Cigs, cause now I have a better chance, for living a longer life!!!
I just found out this morning, that there has not been any change in the nodule, since my last CT Scan in 2007! So, I'm going to be fine, and I know that, because since I have quit smoking, I can breathe soooo much easier now, so there's your proof. It was from 37 years of smoking analogs, and not from the E-Cigs. Besides, I've only been a non-smoker for 2 months. Thank God for E-Cigs, cause now I have a better chance, for living a longer life!!!
There was a study I looked at that showed inhaling PG (NOT VG) kept rats from getting lung infections. I thought that was nifty. The thing is that PG isn't the only chemical you're getting. You're getting whatever chemicals are in the flavorings too. Personally my favorite that works great with my devices as well is the Dekang R4U and Menthol 18mg. I smoked for years, got on this and quit the first day and haven't looked back. I like that I can control my nicotine levels. I think I'll quit for good soon, and then just smoke a 0 nicotine PG whenever I feel like it. I have no idea what VG does. Not interested in it either.
They don't use PG in most asthma medications anymore (it may be in some, but none that I'm familiar with). I know in some instances it is either not used at all or they have replaced it with polyethylene glycol (as is the case with Symbicort). Even at that, there may be a difference between a chemical used as a lubricant for an inhaler taken twice a day and our use. Most nebulizer solutions are administered in saline and use cool mist rather than heated, which also makes a difference.
In case anyone is interested, he's baa-aaack...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/137375-who-oldest-vapor-when-did-u-start-vaping-1-2-3-7-years-how-do-you-feel-now.html#post2177484
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/137375-who-oldest-vapor-when-did-u-start-vaping-1-2-3-7-years-how-do-you-feel-now.html#post2177484
Please note that people calling themselves Dr.xxxxx or xxxxx.MD here are almost certainly not doctors of any kind. It's best to treat their posts as being from average people with some sort of interest in the medical field, possibly in some cases with a benevolent interest, or with some form of jocular intent, though perhaps as an unqualified wannabee.
We have a private forum for qualified medics and nobody who claims to be a Dr/MD is granted access without proof of qualification; for nurses the enforcement of this rule isn't too onerous but it certainly is if someone wants to claim they are a qualified MD. In general such people do not add Dr to their username, in the same way that professors and medal of valor winners don't flaunt it either. The addition of such titles to a username normally indicates some sort of a joke.
We have a private forum for qualified medics and nobody who claims to be a Dr/MD is granted access without proof of qualification; for nurses the enforcement of this rule isn't too onerous but it certainly is if someone wants to claim they are a qualified MD. In general such people do not add Dr to their username, in the same way that professors and medal of valor winners don't flaunt it either. The addition of such titles to a username normally indicates some sort of a joke.
There are different types of nebulizers , but the most common one usues the the Venturi effect(jet nubulizers). A compressor generates a high velocity stream of air which is passed through a thin film of the medication liquid which converts it to a a mist which is delivered, via tubing, to a mouthpiece and inhaled. No heat is used. There are also ultrasonic nebulizers as well(again no heat is utilized)
P.S. Thanks Roly
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