I'm having trouble following your posts Dr.Sami. Did you not need to use punctuation to get through medical school?
Why E ciggaretts is not been studied probably ?? what effects and side effects does it cause to our body? is it safer than regular cigs??
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did you try to do the Math about the dose u are inhaling???? i will try to get one of my pharmacologist friends involved to figure out the math for the nicotine levels which of course gonna vary based on the other stuff and the strength and length of the puffs but i think roughly we can say light, medium and long puff and try to find the actual nicotine in each category and what make that nicotine with the PG/VG bases different from the one in the regular cigarette other than the other toxins in the regular cig and also the absorption site and how fast it get absorbed if we can.
also when u said "i would produce more phlegm" it might be related to the high nicotine levels or to the other component of the e juice you inhale.
I am making a data base for all the symptoms, and i just got ur symptoms in and i wish you a wonderful healthy life.
did you try to do the Math about the dose u are inhaling???? i will try to get one of my pharmacologist friends involved to figure out the math for the nicotine levels which of course gonna vary based on the other stuff and the strength and length of the puffs but i think roughly we can say light, medium and long puff and try to find the actual nicotine in each category and what make that nicotine with the PG/VG bases different from the one in the regular cigarette other than the other toxins in the regular cig and also the absorption site and how fast it get absorbed if we can.
also when u said "i would produce more phlegm" it might be related to the high nicotine levels or to the other component of the e juice you inhale.
I am making a data base for all the symptoms, and i just got ur symptoms in and i wish you a wonderful healthy life.
Yeah. I had this debate before about why they do not pursue this business. This is very simple. They cannot possibly compete - NOT possible. They currently compete against maybe 3 or 4 companies and control 50% of the market. In the ecig biz, unless massive regulation (trust me, they want it) they would have to compete against 10's of thousands of small companies. It is NOT a viable business model without severe regulation. Period.
In truth there has been no long term study done on the effects of PG...or VG on humans..
it does however seem that PG at least has been studied some and appears mostly benign...but there was never a 20 year study done..however despite the studies, or lack of them, I do know one thing with enough certainty for myself...vaping is definitely better than smoking.
it does however seem that PG at least has been studied some and appears mostly benign...but there was never a 20 year study done..however despite the studies, or lack of them, I do know one thing with enough certainty for myself...vaping is definitely better than smoking.
I agree Golden, but if you think VG and PG may be dangerous, you need to stop washing with soap and brushing your teeth among many, many other things. You use both of these every day - many times, and likely have since you were born.
However, it is "possible" that it could be detrimental. It is also "possible" that you could survive jumping off the cliff without a parachute. But it is far more likely that you will survive with a parachute. Why I made the analogy.
Once again, I will take the "chute".
Lastly, regarding studies. There have been many studies done on smoking. You die.
However, it is "possible" that it could be detrimental. It is also "possible" that you could survive jumping off the cliff without a parachute. But it is far more likely that you will survive with a parachute. Why I made the analogy.
Once again, I will take the "chute".
Lastly, regarding studies. There have been many studies done on smoking. You die.
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Eric.MD
the combination of all the component and the heating process to produce the vapor and the way of absorbing it and the effect on your gas exchange sites in your lungs and if there is any metaplasia or hypertrophy or changes in the epithelium in these sites is what I am interested to know about .
tar, pesticides, carcinogens, ammonia, arsenic, benzene, butane, cyanide, DDT, lead, formaldehyde, naphthalene, in the regular cigarettes are will known and their effect are well documented for the most , not like the poorly documented e cigs.
I would like to know what people experience and feel and develop while e smoking and that's will help us collect enough common data from e smokers to be like a warning sign for other e smokers and their health providers.
wish you the best
the combination of all the component and the heating process to produce the vapor and the way of absorbing it and the effect on your gas exchange sites in your lungs and if there is any metaplasia or hypertrophy or changes in the epithelium in these sites is what I am interested to know about .
tar, pesticides, carcinogens, ammonia, arsenic, benzene, butane, cyanide, DDT, lead, formaldehyde, naphthalene, in the regular cigarettes are will known and their effect are well documented for the most , not like the poorly documented e cigs.
I would like to know what people experience and feel and develop while e smoking and that's will help us collect enough common data from e smokers to be like a warning sign for other e smokers and their health providers.
wish you the best
Dr. Sami - once again, let's make this very simple. ECIG's are inhalers. You are inhaling EXACTLY three items. 1. Nicotine, 2. PG/VG and 3. Flavors.
WHICH of these do you deem dangerous? Simple question.
I think some very basic chemistry is in order here. If you "vaporize" something, let's say water, you do NOT change the chemistry of it. It is still water. However, if you burn something, you do. Inhalers vaporize, they do not burn. Once again, this is very, very simple science of which you should have complete understanding.
Point being, if we were changing the composition of the materials, then i get the possible concern. Vaporizers do not. This entire thread is almost pure nonsense on a logical level.
WHICH of these do you deem dangerous? Simple question.
I think some very basic chemistry is in order here. If you "vaporize" something, let's say water, you do NOT change the chemistry of it. It is still water. However, if you burn something, you do. Inhalers vaporize, they do not burn. Once again, this is very, very simple science of which you should have complete understanding.
Point being, if we were changing the composition of the materials, then i get the possible concern. Vaporizers do not. This entire thread is almost pure nonsense on a logical level.
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It almost sounds like Big Tobacco is working on a new recipe but I think this is ALA right here.
I don't think the OP disagrees with you TheBuss, I think he is just seeking information on the effects and/or changes that people are experiencing when they make the switch to PV's.
Although, Papa has an interesting point...
Although, Papa has an interesting point...
Red, maybe. But the discussion should lie on what "ecigs" are and what "could" be causing an issue. Is it nicotine? Science suggests no. Is it PG/VG? Unless allergic, science says likely no. Is it flavoring? Unless allergies, science says no. This is rather simple stuff.
This is exactly why i said "if you are allergic to peanuts - don't eat them". A conversation regarding the dangers of peanuts to those that are not is silliness, IMO.
This is exactly why i said "if you are allergic to peanuts - don't eat them". A conversation regarding the dangers of peanuts to those that are not is silliness, IMO.
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I'm having a very hard time believing you are a legitimate doctor, Dr. Sami. I don't mean to sound rude, but your grammar and sentence structure remind me of the emails I get from Nigerian scammers. Welcome to ECF. There many threads on this forum where we've discussed our health advantages since we started vaping and stopped smoking. For the record, I was given a spirometer test about two months after I started vaping and I did better than some of my friends who have never smoked and are younger than me. Two years ago when I took the same type of test, they said I had severe COPD. Make sure you put this information in your database because I want everyone out there to know that I'm much healthier since I started using e-cigs. I hope you're sincere and not on some mission from the "other" side. My apologies if I have offended you. I've never seen a "doctor" post on a public forum using this type of grammar, sentence structure and misspelling words. It causes people to doubt your sincerity.
Habibi Dr. Sami,
Let me start off by reminding you that these forums are open for everyone.. Everyone means, the general public, which includes DOCTORS, lawyers, athletes, engineers, bartenders, students, mechanics, etc..
Secondly, NO RESPECTABLE AND LEGITIMATE DOCTOR would use forums to collect scientific data (even though it could be statistically correct to do so).. There are many organizations and medical associations which already have all the data you need. Unfortunately, you are VERY FAR BEHIND.
Last thing, ya sokkar, your arguments and statements are simply very incompetent, which reflects that you've only recently heard about eCigs/Nicotine inhalers and have no idea what is going on in your field of study/work.
I suggest you keep reading through the forum posts, and learn a little bit about how vaping has changed people's lives to the better. There are A LOT of experiences.
I wish you a healthy, open-minded, and educated life.
Let me start off by reminding you that these forums are open for everyone.. Everyone means, the general public, which includes DOCTORS, lawyers, athletes, engineers, bartenders, students, mechanics, etc..
Secondly, NO RESPECTABLE AND LEGITIMATE DOCTOR would use forums to collect scientific data (even though it could be statistically correct to do so).. There are many organizations and medical associations which already have all the data you need. Unfortunately, you are VERY FAR BEHIND.
Last thing, ya sokkar, your arguments and statements are simply very incompetent, which reflects that you've only recently heard about eCigs/Nicotine inhalers and have no idea what is going on in your field of study/work.
I suggest you keep reading through the forum posts, and learn a little bit about how vaping has changed people's lives to the better. There are A LOT of experiences.
I wish you a healthy, open-minded, and educated life.
I'm assuming english isn't his primary language. Perhaps he went to school overseas, India most probably.
One also has to keep in mind that any 'effects' to ones body that may be happening when one quits cigs and starts vaping, alot of it can be attributed to quitting regular cigarettes and not necessarily because of vaping.
One also has to keep in mind that any 'effects' to ones body that may be happening when one quits cigs and starts vaping, alot of it can be attributed to quitting regular cigarettes and not necessarily because of vaping.
Heartbskts
Thanks for your post, and I am trying to understand e smoking in a better way and research it and spend more time to find more info about signs and symptoms that may be related to it.
And I will be very happy if e cig proven without a doubt to be Safer alternative and replacement and way to quiet smoking, but we need the proof without being biased, and we need to collect and share some data about what people feel or develop when they start e smoking and the timing of it .
also we need a lot of research and scientific results.
I have 2 people in my family who i love very much started e cig smoking so don't get defensive and think that i am all against it, (I am not with and not against it as of now), I am trying to get a better understanding of it and research it and i would love for it to be safe but i cant be biased. I need to be sure about its safety or to prove its not safe with evidence and without doubt.
with help from other people we can spot some sings and symptoms early and warn others or use it to investigate it more .
Warning the e smokers about some common symptoms that they may develop and could be serious, early diagnosis = early management = better outcome.
wish you the best health and wealth
Thanks for your post, and I am trying to understand e smoking in a better way and research it and spend more time to find more info about signs and symptoms that may be related to it.
And I will be very happy if e cig proven without a doubt to be Safer alternative and replacement and way to quiet smoking, but we need the proof without being biased, and we need to collect and share some data about what people feel or develop when they start e smoking and the timing of it .
also we need a lot of research and scientific results.
I have 2 people in my family who i love very much started e cig smoking so don't get defensive and think that i am all against it, (I am not with and not against it as of now), I am trying to get a better understanding of it and research it and i would love for it to be safe but i cant be biased. I need to be sure about its safety or to prove its not safe with evidence and without doubt.
with help from other people we can spot some sings and symptoms early and warn others or use it to investigate it more .
Warning the e smokers about some common symptoms that they may develop and could be serious, early diagnosis = early management = better outcome.
wish you the best health and wealth
Nothing wrong with trying to gain an understanding of ecigs on here. Why I pointed out exactly what they are - inhalers. I can assure you that most doctors do not have a clue of what they actually are or what is in them.
But Sami, you need to understand, this is NOT smoking. You are INHALING exactly THREE items.
1: Nicotine is known to be almost non harmful in low doses we use. Period. This is a non-debatable point.
Ok... trying to make this as simple as possible... so down to 2 ingredients....
2: If PG/VG is found to be dangerous then it needs to be immediately pulled out of thousands of products we use. Why? Because it is absorbed into our bodies daily. Inhaling does NOT change the composition of it, therefore it is ONLY absorbed.
3: If flavorings are an issue, they also need to be pulled as we use ALL of them currently.
But Sami, you need to understand, this is NOT smoking. You are INHALING exactly THREE items.
1: Nicotine is known to be almost non harmful in low doses we use. Period. This is a non-debatable point.
Ok... trying to make this as simple as possible... so down to 2 ingredients....
2: If PG/VG is found to be dangerous then it needs to be immediately pulled out of thousands of products we use. Why? Because it is absorbed into our bodies daily. Inhaling does NOT change the composition of it, therefore it is ONLY absorbed.
3: If flavorings are an issue, they also need to be pulled as we use ALL of them currently.
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Well, i'd say its beyond a doubt better than smoking regular cigarettes. That should be a given. If you take a look at all the thousands of chemicals and over 40 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke and compare that to what's in the vapor of the personal vaporizer.
That's a no-brainer.
That's a no-brainer.
OK- I'm sorry about my previous response about the dr wanting to find out our info to maybe help his patients. Now that I am reading more & more, I agree! Most dr's are better educated and can AT LEAST spell "cigarette"!!!!
Dude- if you really need to know all the answers to the questions that you just posted- search these threads and posts!
I'm thinking this is a college student doing a project and maybe just too lazy to do his own research. Therefore he's relying on us for an easy grade??? Just a thought
Dude- if you really need to know all the answers to the questions that you just posted- search these threads and posts!
I'm thinking this is a college student doing a project and maybe just too lazy to do his own research. Therefore he's relying on us for an easy grade??? Just a thought
The good Dr. seems to keep avoiding the posts about his grammer and punctuation - if he were legit wouldn't he try to defend these statements and accusations and tell us where he is from?
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