Why E ciggaretts is not been studied probably ?? what effects and side effects does it cause to our body? is it safer than regular cigs??
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Please, everyone, stop the defensiveness over threads like this. Yes, it is common sense that vaping is healthier than smoking. That does not mean we should stick our fingers in our ears and pretend we're positive that vaping is 100% safe. It seems unlikely to be any worse than coffee, but we don't have the scientific literature yet to back that up. We can be fairly certain PG inhalation is safe because of that 1947 study with monkeys. I believe there have been similar studies with nicotine, but I'm unsure. That still leaves VG and, more importantly, flavouring agents.
You guys that are assuming "safe to consume" means "safe to inhale" just because the molecule remains unchanged are mistaken, according to the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health. Google diacetyl. We eat it every day in buttery things, but chronic inhalation in a work environment is known to cause health problems. Maybe there are other agents like this in e-liquid - we don't know since in most cases suppliers don't list their ingredients. (here we have one of the downsides of an unregulated market, but that's a whole different discussion) Remember I'm not saying diacetyl is actually harmful in the amounts us vapers use - that debate rages elsewhere on these forums - I'm just pointing out that the health effects of eating and inhaling can differ.
I, for one, can't wait to see some long-term scientific studies on the effects of e-cigs. Still, for now, I'm going to trust my common sense and keep vaping.
Dr.Sami is being attacked for seeming to have an anti-vaping "agenda" here, but it looks like he's just trying to get some answers. Even if it's not exactly scientific, there's nothing wrong with seeking a little knowledge.
edit: As far as your questions, Dr.Sami: My biggest health change since switching to e-cigs is that my chronic cough went away. Happened within days.
You guys that are assuming "safe to consume" means "safe to inhale" just because the molecule remains unchanged are mistaken, according to the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health. Google diacetyl. We eat it every day in buttery things, but chronic inhalation in a work environment is known to cause health problems. Maybe there are other agents like this in e-liquid - we don't know since in most cases suppliers don't list their ingredients. (here we have one of the downsides of an unregulated market, but that's a whole different discussion) Remember I'm not saying diacetyl is actually harmful in the amounts us vapers use - that debate rages elsewhere on these forums - I'm just pointing out that the health effects of eating and inhaling can differ.
I, for one, can't wait to see some long-term scientific studies on the effects of e-cigs. Still, for now, I'm going to trust my common sense and keep vaping.
Dr.Sami is being attacked for seeming to have an anti-vaping "agenda" here, but it looks like he's just trying to get some answers. Even if it's not exactly scientific, there's nothing wrong with seeking a little knowledge.
edit: As far as your questions, Dr.Sami: My biggest health change since switching to e-cigs is that my chronic cough went away. Happened within days.
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Rather than answer all the questions..... I'll just kinda answer one. About two months before I started with ecigs...(I started using ecigs on June 16 36mg nicotine level.) I was diagnosed with a condition called pleurisy. Anyone who has dealt with or is dealing with this problem knows that it is very painful. My husband rushed me to the ER because we honestly thought I was having a heart attack at 38 yrs old. I was about a 3 pack a day smoker...so I knew that was causing issues.. continuous cough etc... I tried to stop smoking.....it hurt to inhale.....but I still lit up.....and not quite the three packs a day after the diagnosis....but definitely more than a pack probably closer to 2 packs.......I couldn't quit even though it hurt. The day I got my ecig and tried it....THERE WAS NO PAIN! this was significant to me in a lot of ways. My doctor says my lung capacity is better, I no longer have the wheeze I had prior to starting the ecig. Are there risks.....maybe......but I'll take no pain over the pain I was having any day of the week! Just my 2cents worth......(and my cents probably aren't even worth that much LOL)
Oh yes and I forgot to add that after 4 months on the ecig I am now down to 12mg nic in my juice....so I'm feeling pretty darned good about the whole thing. I do however stay away from the buttery flavors, they just taste strange to me....and if I get a flavor that makes my lungs feel funny I stay away from it.
Oh yes and I forgot to add that after 4 months on the ecig I am now down to 12mg nic in my juice....so I'm feeling pretty darned good about the whole thing. I do however stay away from the buttery flavors, they just taste strange to me....and if I get a flavor that makes my lungs feel funny I stay away from it.
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What a Classic internet post. Post question, get smart ... comebacks and get reviewed by the spelling a grammar police. First off, lets say this guy is FDA or Big Tobacco chiming in, Everything that is aked in this question is discussed in other parts of this forum and could be found out there. I see no harm in answering a few questions. This guy never said that he wanted to prove e-cigs harmful. He was asking if anyone had any ill effects. We all have to face it, we are all inhaling more polyproplylene in a month than Alice Cooper has in his life on the stage. It's something new that hasn't been proved out. Vegtable Glycerin, something used to make soap, who in their right mind (before e-cigs) has tried heating up in a way and inhaling the vapor that comes off it? lol. yet again something relatively new. flavorings are flavorings. We get em in water ice and slurpees all of teh time. I could quite honestly care less how many studies they want to do olr what their results are. I smoked cigs for many of years so it's obvious I could care less about my health. The problem is the control. I don't need big brother telling me what I can legally do and what I can't. If I choose to take a risk at possibly degrading my health, then so be it. Hence the same reason I see no problems in drugs being legal. The stronger drugs I just call Mass Idiot Elimination if we were to legalize them.
Spelling and grammar police. It does not effect any one persons quality of life on here if the misspell words or use the wrong punuation, or even no punctuation. If you don't like the way someone posts, you can simply click a button and make it go away. Noone is forcing you to read other peoples posts on here, you are simply choosing to. Since you have chose to read a post with poor spelling/grammar, don't ..... about the choice YOU have made.
Spelling and grammar police. It does not effect any one persons quality of life on here if the misspell words or use the wrong punuation, or even no punctuation. If you don't like the way someone posts, you can simply click a button and make it go away. Noone is forcing you to read other peoples posts on here, you are simply choosing to. Since you have chose to read a post with poor spelling/grammar, don't ..... about the choice YOU have made.
I've read this thread, and yeah, Dr.S got hammered a few times. I didn't see anything nasty like folks saying his mother smelled of elderberrys or some-such. (If I missed harsh personal insults, it wasn't for lack of reading, but may be that an insult has to be pretty harsh before I'd even consider it such.)
Most folks expect medical doctors to have a good command of the language they are working with so that is a warning bell here in the cyberspace where anyone can say they are anything. Mastering the English language is pretty difficult. I've never managed it and I grew up with it. The best I've been able to do with any other language is learn to swear and insult in 3 other languages, but I couldn't communicate anything else in those languages. I can see both sides of this.
The thing that set off my inner critic is that gathering data this way has no control group. Most forums, this one seems different, have 2 basic types - the one that came because they have problems with X - and the ones who come because they are huge fans of X. (My use of car forums and gaming forums may bias my observations.). I first came here to gather information from actual users instead of a paid performer and assumed there would be a divide between the haters and the fan-boys. Seems there are plenty of fans, but very rarely a hater. Folks seem to differ on how concerned they are on the long term effects of vaping.
Me, smoking was killing me, and I didn't really care. I only had to hold out a few more years and then my passing would have been sad for some, but no huge loss. I just kept swallowing the fist full of pills everyday and kept doing what I had been doing.
Something amazing happened on my road to self destruction. I found my first love after not knowing if she was dead or alive for over 25 years. Not only found her, but discovered she had always loved me as I had her. I had to have time with her, so I set a new life course. Switching to vaping is a minor one compared to the rest, but it was the last one.
Since switching, I breathe better. I can exercise more. My doctor puts !!!!'s all over the reviews of my tests. Changing the diet helped some, but nothing has had a greater impact on the reversal of my health than vaping. From BP levels to LDL levels, everything is rocketing in the right direction.
So, Dr.S, observe your family members who have switched. I'll bet your bias can be controlled well enough that your observations will tell you much better than most of us could what switching to vaping does to health. (Clinical studies would be nice, but those take $, then there is always the specter of who's $ it is funding the study.)
If vaping gives me only one more year with my lady, then I'll be the happiest dead man there ever was. If it gives me more, then I'll be the happiest man alive. I don't need a study or research for that.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled internet...
Most folks expect medical doctors to have a good command of the language they are working with so that is a warning bell here in the cyberspace where anyone can say they are anything. Mastering the English language is pretty difficult. I've never managed it and I grew up with it. The best I've been able to do with any other language is learn to swear and insult in 3 other languages, but I couldn't communicate anything else in those languages. I can see both sides of this.
The thing that set off my inner critic is that gathering data this way has no control group. Most forums, this one seems different, have 2 basic types - the one that came because they have problems with X - and the ones who come because they are huge fans of X. (My use of car forums and gaming forums may bias my observations.). I first came here to gather information from actual users instead of a paid performer and assumed there would be a divide between the haters and the fan-boys. Seems there are plenty of fans, but very rarely a hater. Folks seem to differ on how concerned they are on the long term effects of vaping.
Me, smoking was killing me, and I didn't really care. I only had to hold out a few more years and then my passing would have been sad for some, but no huge loss. I just kept swallowing the fist full of pills everyday and kept doing what I had been doing.
Something amazing happened on my road to self destruction. I found my first love after not knowing if she was dead or alive for over 25 years. Not only found her, but discovered she had always loved me as I had her. I had to have time with her, so I set a new life course. Switching to vaping is a minor one compared to the rest, but it was the last one.
Since switching, I breathe better. I can exercise more. My doctor puts !!!!'s all over the reviews of my tests. Changing the diet helped some, but nothing has had a greater impact on the reversal of my health than vaping. From BP levels to LDL levels, everything is rocketing in the right direction.
So, Dr.S, observe your family members who have switched. I'll bet your bias can be controlled well enough that your observations will tell you much better than most of us could what switching to vaping does to health. (Clinical studies would be nice, but those take $, then there is always the specter of who's $ it is funding the study.)
If vaping gives me only one more year with my lady, then I'll be the happiest dead man there ever was. If it gives me more, then I'll be the happiest man alive. I don't need a study or research for that.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled internet...
joeTaco
Thanks so Much for understanding and explaining it in a better English than mine
Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor in the e juice and even if u take it by mouth or skin still it does have vasoconstriction effect , which may constrict ur arteries and cause a lot of cardiovascular problems, but not all vapors inhale high nicotine which still can be debatable, ischemic heart disease and hypertension and coronary insufficiency may all happen with nicotine use/overuse, even there is some studies talk about oral cancer related to not only smoking but also to nicotine gum, but talking about nicotine is known and documented.
diacetyl in some flavors thats u inhale have different effect from what u find in food industry.
I am happy that ur cough went away and i hope u feel better and better
Thanks for ur post
HeatherC
I am so happy that u are feeling better and that ur lung function improved. and its great idea to wean urself from nicotine
Thanks a lot
mudboy
Thanks for ur post and i will try to fix my grammar as much i can
but you have good points and i am not against e cigs as i mentioned and I am not with them tell its proved safe with no doubt for you and my brother and sister as well, and for all the e smokers here too.I honestly wish that this product have no or minimal side effects and minimal or no harm at all but its not gonna happen just by wishing, and I hope that one day it will get proven safe and advised.
Everyone want more info about it and there are no good studies and it happen that i am much more concerned about the clinical sign and symptoms more than the labs at this point tell they produce big lab research which cost millions and millions and millions, and need big research organizations, labs and sponsors.
Thanks again
The reason they haven't been studied is because the FDA doesn't want to know if and why they're better. All they care about is
. How much will they lose in taxes and how much their co-horts, tobacco companies and pharmaceuticals will lose if they aren't banned.
is what runs almost everything in this world.
If you remove I from ruin you have run it instead of ruin it.
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I know that you asked for responses from people that have been "vaping" for a while, but I had to comment on one of your statements. I too am curious to know what, if any, result comes from the vaporizing of the juice. I know that it would be hard to define that due to the various flavors and producers, but you raise a good point.
My view is that the presumption that nicotine in normal doses is harmful to your arteries is complete nonsense. Heart disease and artery damage from smoking is not from nicotine - but rather carbon monoxide.
Is it possible that nicotine has "some" harmful effects? Possible. But eating a bag of Lay's definitely is not helpful to your heart either. It is a mild stimulant. Nothing more, in my view. To even make an association of nicotine with artery damage is nonsense.
Is it possible that nicotine has "some" harmful effects? Possible. But eating a bag of Lay's definitely is not helpful to your heart either. It is a mild stimulant. Nothing more, in my view. To even make an association of nicotine with artery damage is nonsense.
Hoosier
Thanks for ur post and I use my stethoscope, lab work, CT scanning and MRI and A lot of other doctors observations on the clinical effects, but again Mr.Hoosier there are no enough clinical studies or knowledge about it. it might be surprising to find me asking these question from Random cases but what i am trying to find here is the common signs/symptoms in a large group of vapors and i don't know much vapors outside this forum, u guys are huge community here
I am happy that u find your Real True Love and wish you guys the best and I hope u and her will stay healthy and enjoy life together .
Thanks again
Thanks for ur post and I use my stethoscope, lab work, CT scanning and MRI and A lot of other doctors observations on the clinical effects, but again Mr.Hoosier there are no enough clinical studies or knowledge about it. it might be surprising to find me asking these question from Random cases but what i am trying to find here is the common signs/symptoms in a large group of vapors and i don't know much vapors outside this forum, u guys are huge community here
I am happy that u find your Real True Love
and wish you guys the best and I hope u and her will stay healthy and enjoy life together .Thanks again
10 years of constant snoring to suddenly disappear is pretty remarkable.
my housemate had said I don't snore anymore..no more wall shaking..laughs
my housemate had said I don't snore anymore..no more wall shaking..laughs
For me it seems less harmful than a regular cigarettes which contain hundreds of other chemicals that can affect ur health, but still there are not enough fair researches been done regarding the vapor and the chemicals that the e cig generate after heating the liquid nicotine and flavor material and the PG or VG base ? also not enough researches done on how the alveolar sac responded to the fumes and vapor in short and long term exposure, what about restrictive lung disease or lung fibrosis or atelectasis or lung cancer, heart disease ad atherosclerosis ?from long term use??? does it exist and if so how its compared to the regular cigs?? there are a lot of mysteries needs to be uncovered.
So i would love to ask you guys who are have been smoking e cigs for a while to post in this thread when did u start using e cigs and for how long and whats the does and if u doing great or got sick, and what signs and symptoms did u develop while on it ??
how do u compare your health and well being since u started e cig with previous regular smoking ???
any of u had a CT scan or MRI done since they started E cig smoking and for what reason??
do u breath deeper and did u lose the morning cough and sputum?
do u exercise better and feel less weak and fatigue since u shift to e cig?
do you feel healthier ???
any other GI or Skin or Cardiovascular or CNS symptoms since u start ??
I will try to carry a research on this in my free time and i need ur help so that can point me in what direction the symptoms are going?
I graduated with MD degree in 1999 and I love to help uncover the mysteries of the e cig and if its the right way to go or not without being biased.
I just got very curious because there is not enough info about e cig smoking serious health related issues , so either its safer than regular cig
please keep us updated about any health issue or symptom e cig related or u might think its related so we can see whats related and whats not and how common that symptoms is.
withdrawal symptoms should be differentiated from e cig related symptoms and also allergic reactions and how common are they?
don't post any personal info, just interested in the symptoms.
Lets Just get more knowledgeable about it
Peace to All
I think its great that you are interested to make this study..I applaude you
This entire thread should be about ONE very simple question. Is vaping PG bad or isn'it it?
The "tests" and other questions is like taking the equation of 2 +2 = X. Instead of trying to determine that the answer is 4, you are debating whether our entire concept of math is valid.
Once again, it is nicotine, PG, Flavor. You are inhaling it, not burning. Therefore, you are absorbing PG. That's it.
Let me simplify your study for you.
Nicotine: Medical experts have studied this. It is non-harmful to most people. CHECK.
PG: Approved as safe. The composition does not change while vaping. The ONLY question is whether it could be harmful in massive doses.
Flavors: Again, approved as safe, not changing their composition,therefore it is only absorption. Once again, the only issue is in absorbing massive levels.
Honestly, i just do not know how to make this any more simple. ANY valid vaping "study" would not be about whether "vaping" is safe. It would ONLY be about whether high levels of PG or flavors are safe because it is a simple matter of absorption. That's it. Simple.
The "tests" and other questions is like taking the equation of 2 +2 = X. Instead of trying to determine that the answer is 4, you are debating whether our entire concept of math is valid.
Once again, it is nicotine, PG, Flavor. You are inhaling it, not burning. Therefore, you are absorbing PG. That's it.
Let me simplify your study for you.
Nicotine: Medical experts have studied this. It is non-harmful to most people. CHECK.
PG: Approved as safe. The composition does not change while vaping. The ONLY question is whether it could be harmful in massive doses.
Flavors: Again, approved as safe, not changing their composition,therefore it is only absorption. Once again, the only issue is in absorbing massive levels.
Honestly, i just do not know how to make this any more simple. ANY valid vaping "study" would not be about whether "vaping" is safe. It would ONLY be about whether high levels of PG or flavors are safe because it is a simple matter of absorption. That's it. Simple.
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TheBuss
Nicotine is well documented and researched, u might be right that nicotine by itself is not that harmful and u can find it in many food products and its a stimulant and ...etc.
But we know for a fact that its a vasoconstrictor and it may be very harmful depending on the dose and route of administration ,and cause many cardiovascular and other problems, and nicotine is behind the addiction and high tolerance of regular smoking and even e smoking.
eating products contain nicotine is not like inhaling them and inhaling it with ur PV is not like smoking it mixed with CO and other hundreds of harmful chemicals in regular cigs.
Thanks TheBuss for being kind and not attacking like before
Nicotine is well documented and researched, u might be right that nicotine by itself is not that harmful and u can find it in many food products and its a stimulant and ...etc.
But we know for a fact that its a vasoconstrictor and it may be very harmful depending on the dose and route of administration ,and cause many cardiovascular and other problems, and nicotine is behind the addiction and high tolerance of regular smoking and even e smoking.
eating products contain nicotine is not like inhaling them and inhaling it with ur PV is not like smoking it mixed with CO and other hundreds of harmful chemicals in regular cigs.
Thanks TheBuss for being kind and not attacking like before
Vagablonde
Thanks for ur post and I am happy that u dont snore anymore lol my ex used to snore loud and i never dared to tell her
i just use to say u need septoplasty bad 
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