Why I'm Going back to Cigarettes

[herb]

bolded part above, mine

That statement is simply not true. I am not saying that smoking is a healthy habit or that it isn't bad for ones health. I am just saying that I don't believe that each and every smoker WILL die a horrible death We have been told that so many times that it has become truth for so many people. It seems, if an untruth is told often enough it becomes truth. It still isn't truth but is perceived as truth.

edited to add: I am sorry that I have taken this thread off topic. This is a discussion for another time.

I never said everybody will die a horrible death although the people i have lost to smoking did die from not being able to breath even with oxygen tanks and i do consider that horrible.

Where are you seeing people say everybody who smokes will die a horrible death , i don't see that .

Smoking will have something to do with a person dying and will in some way be a contributing factor directly and many times indirectly .

There is nobody who can smoke their whole lives where smoking has absolutely "zero" effect on them in some way , and it's always negative.

Now that isn't always the exact cause of death but in more circumstances than not it is .

I understand others may disagree but thats what i believe and have seen in my life.

 

[Oberon75]

Yep, I am one of them. I have 10+ iSticks (20 & 30W). Some are a year old. A few are 10 months old. The only loss was due to drowning. Waterproof was not an expectation.

I suggest not buying any vape product as soon as it comes on the market unless the person is willing to take the risk. The risk was proven as users began using the iStick 50w. I'm sorry OP got into vaping with a known flawed device.

I have a couple friends who bought iSticks and both broke quit fast. One friends 50w was two days old when the screen quit from a three ft drop on carpet. I also bought a Lemo which was made very cheap.

I try not to play around with China anymore after a few bad mods including two SX Mini's that went bad. My main vape right now is a HexOhm 2.1 Which is built like a tank and comes with a lifetime warranty. I also have money put away for the right DNA 200 if I can find one worthwhile

Sent from my 831C using Tapatalk

 

[mattiem]

I never said everybody will die a horrible death although the people i have lost to smoking did die from not being able to breath even with oxygen tanks and i do consider that horrible.

Where are you seeing people say everybody who smokes will die a horrible death , i don't see that .

Smoking will have something to do with a person dying and will in some way be a contributing factor directly and many times indirectly .

There is nobody who can smoke their whole lives where smoking has absolutely "zero" effect on them in some way , and it's always negative.

Now that isn't always the exact cause of death but in more circumstances than not it is .

I understand others may disagree but thats what i believe and have seen in my life.

I truly am sorry to hear that you have lost folks due to smoking and you really do have my sympathy.

one last post on this subject (I promise)

My Dad died of lung cancer at the young age of 50. He died a horrible death. He worked in the oil fields for many of those years and then went on to picking fruit for a number of years. Was it something he was exposed to in the oil fields or could it have been some of the chemicals that were sprayed on the trees he spent so much time in. (just a rhetorical question) Well, he smoked so there are those that will say it definitely had to be the smoking that caused it.

And then there was my Mom. She too smoked up until she died. (started smoking in her early 20's) She lived to the ripe age of 81. She suffered from rheumatoid Arthritis for the last 20 or so years of her life. I think the pain just reached the point to where her poor heart could no longer keep pumping. She had no lung problems at all. Not even a cough from it. Well, she smoked so there are those that will say it definitely had to be the smoking that caused her death.

I say again. If an untruth is said long enough and enough times it becomes the truth to some. Sad but true. I say again. I don't think smoking is healthy for anyone but saying that if a person is a smoker and they die, smoking caused their death is just an ANTZ tactic and I don't think we should be furthering there rhetoric. JMHO

Sorry mods, I know this isn't about vaping but I just couldn't keep my fingers quiet any longer.

 

[shannon walker]

Before you give up on vaping check out myvaporstore.com they have istick 50w for 34 dollars

 

[AndriaD]

I truly am sorry to hear that you have lost folks due to smoking and you really do have my sympathy.

one last post on this subject (I promise)

My Dad died of lung cancer at the young age of 50. He died a horrible death. He worked in the oil fields for many of those years and then went on to picking fruit for a number of years. Was it something he was exposed to in the oil fields or could it have been some of the chemicals that were sprayed on the trees he spent so much time in. (just a rhetorical question) Well, he smoked so there are those that will say it definitely had to be the smoking that caused it.

And then there was my Mom. She too smoked up until she died. (started smoking in her early 20's) She lived to the ripe age of 81. She suffered from rheumatoid Arthritis for the last 20 or so years of her life. I think the pain just reached the point to where her poor heart could no longer keep pumping. She had no lung problems at all. Not even a cough from it. Well, she smoked so there are those that will say it definitely had to be the smoking that caused her death.

I say again. If an untruth is said long enough and enough times it becomes the truth to some. Sad but true. I say again. I don't think smoking is healthy for anyone but saying that if a person is a smoker and they die, smoking caused their death is just an ANTZ tactic and I don't think we should be furthering there rhetoric. JMHO

Sorry mods, I know this isn't about vaping but I just couldn't keep my fingers quiet any longer.

I agree with you. My father died of lung cancer, and I'm sure the Lucky Strikes that started when he was 12 didn't do him any favors... but he was a hippy in the 60s; he smoked a LOT of other stuff, and lived in some pretty awful places, including prison for a couple of stretches -- I'm sure he inhaled a lot of other really bad stuff along with cigarette smoke. He was also an alcoholic who managed to enjoy 20 yrs of sobriety at the end of his life, and I've heard that chronic alcoholism can have a huge effect on developing cancer.

Did 50+ yrs of smoking contribute to his cancer? Almost certainly, and the ANTZ would say they were the REASON for his lung cancer. But I'm quite sure there were a lot of other factors involved.

Andria

 

[sofarsogood]

Thanks everyone for all the replies! I'm on disability so i only get paid once a month I live on $691 a month and I budget $100 toward vaping so If i buy a$50 to $80 device that leaves me way short on liquid for the month. I don't want to support big tobacco but it looks like that have me by the balls. Love yall thanks for the reponses

I started mixing e liquid a few months back. The cost of material for a year supply is $50. If I ony bought what I needed I could vape for $100 a year.

 

[herb]

I truly am sorry to hear that you have lost folks due to smoking and you really do have my sympathy.

one last post on this subject (I promise)

My Dad died of lung cancer at the young age of 50. He died a horrible death. He worked in the oil fields for many of those years and then went on to picking fruit for a number of years. Was it something he was exposed to in the oil fields or could it have been some of the chemicals that were sprayed on the trees he spent so much time in. (just a rhetorical question) Well, he smoked so there are those that will say it definitely had to be the smoking that caused it.

And then there was my Mom. She too smoked up until she died. (started smoking in her early 20's) She lived to the ripe age of 81. She suffered from rheumatoid Arthritis for the last 20 or so years of her life. I think the pain just reached the point to where her poor heart could no longer keep pumping. She had no lung problems at all. Not even a cough from it. Well, she smoked so there are those that will say it definitely had to be the smoking that caused her death.

I say again.e If an untruth is said long enough and enough times it becomes the truth som. Sad but true. I say again. I don't think smoking is healthy for anyone but saying that if a person is a smoker and they die, smoking caused their death is just an ANTZ tactic and I don't think we should be furthering there rhetoric. JMHO

Sorry mods, I know this isn't about vaping but I just couldn't keep my fingers quiet any longer.

What i am saying is i don't hear people claiming that smoking always causes a horrible death, what i hear is smoking in the overwhelming majority of cases is a contributing factor in someones death who has smoked their entire lives.

Thats where we differ , thanks for the kind words.

 

[herb]

I agree with your assessment that many people live a very long life being a heavy smoker so your right smoking definitely doesn't doom everyone . It would doom me for sure since i have atrocious luck but for others maybe not.

I have seen many 80+ years olds pounding down shots at a local pub and chain smoking camels , mind boggling to me but there is no sure things in life.

I also know many who expired in their 30's and 40's who took exceptional care of themselves , not exceptional enough apparently.

 

[eGoinMD]

To the OP, you can keep it cheap enough to vape, if you want. I would recommend VapeWild for decently inexpensive juices.

To everybody else...

I have known people who've smoked for 50+ years without having any ill effects(aside from shortness of breath, general malaise, lack of stamina, general stinkiness, burn holes everywhere) I've also known folks who have only smoked for 5 years who have been diagnosed with incurable cancer and then passed. YMMV.

 

[AndriaD]

I agree with your assessment that many people live a very long life being a heavy smoker so your right smoking definitely doesn't doom everyone . It would doom me for sure since i have atrocious luck but for others maybe not.

I have seen many 80+ years olds pounding down shots at a local pub and chain smoking camels , mind boggling to me but there is no sure things in life.

I also know many who expired in their 30's and 40's who took exceptional care of themselves , not exceptional enough apparently.

Ever notice though, that most "old winos" are men... you don't see a lot (or any!) of old women alkies... our livers just can't take it. My dad was able to keep pounding the brews thru most of his 40s... when I was 31, I got to the point that hangovers were lasting 3 days, and I knew (from an earlier stint in rehab!) that meant my liver about on its last legs.

My mom drank thru her 40s and into her late 50s... and developed cirrhosis. Really glad I knocked it off before it got that bad.
Andria

 

[davevape55]

I just wanted to say farewell to all my friends here because this is my last post here. I'm going back to traditional cigarettes. My beloved and only MOD I have the iStick 50W died on me only after 6 months it will no longer charge I used the correct charger (1 AMP). It seems that i cant keep a MOD more the 6 months and I take VERY good care of them. I'm very poor and for me to buy a cheap MOD is a very BIG DEAL. I need it to last at least a year I understand now that all MODS are essentially disposable They will eventually die. yes I save money on e-liquid but if I have to but a new $50-$80 device every 6 months it negates the savings on the liquid. I love vaping and had a deep passion for it but I just cant afford it right now I hope vaping continues on and continues saving peoples life. Love yall all the help and goodbye.

I have an istick 50 and (2)30'sto donate to you if you want.

 

[herb]

Ever notice though, that most "old winos" are men... you don't see a lot (or any!) of old women alkies... our livers just can't take it. My dad was able to keep pounding the brews thru most of his 40s... when I was 31, I got to the point that hangovers were lasting 3 days, and I knew (from an earlier stint in rehab!) that meant my liver about on its last legs.

My mom drank thru her 40s and into her late 50s... and developed cirrhosis. Really glad I knocked it off before it got that bad.
Andria

Actually i can relate because i have been through a very similar experience , i use to drink like a fish (mostly beer) and i knew i was out of control , if i didn't stop there's no question i would of expired years ago .

That stuff as most stuff runs in family's big time.

 

[rosesense]

That is great, Davevape55.

It has been pointed out that a mech might not be a good option so I withdraw my offer, sorry.

 

[Bacong]

it's the most wonderful time of the year!

 

[HauntedMyst]

Smoking kills. Case in point, my buddy is a pack a day smoker. We were in the city, hanging out and decided not to drive home since we had a few drinks...ok...a lot of drinks. Since we weren't driving, we decided to do some "L" surfing (the L is the elevated subway style trains in Chicago). Everything was fine until Darryl decided to have a cigarette. He stops paying attention and lights a cigarette and gets bonked on the head by a sign, falls off the top of the train and lands on the third rail. Smoking kills people.

 

[TraceyS]

Thanks everyone for all the replies! I'm on disability so i only get paid once a month I live on $691 a month and I budget $100 toward vaping so If i buy a$50 to $80 device that leaves me way short on liquid for the month. I don't want to support big tobacco but it looks like that have me by the balls. Love yall thanks for the reponses

There is also unflavored eliquid, I am very pleased with it and it is so cheap! You can get it premixed in your nic level and get a couple of flavorings to add if you get bored. I have a REO and have used it 15 months without ever a problem. this along with unflavored makes my vaping so very cheap. Good luck to you.

Tracey

 

[Butch]

Prolly gonna get flamed, modded & everybody with a rake or a pitchfork will be after me for this but..........here goes. The very thought process that started this thread says that this person should not use a mech mod. Hope this saves another face blown off headline.

 

[Devn]

Can you explain about the mech mods?

Prolly gonna get flamed, modded & everybody with a rake or a pitchfork will be after me for this but..........here goes. The very thought process that started this thread says that this person should not use a mech mod. Hope this saves another face blown off headline.

Agreed. Mechs are great for the right people. I dont believe this is a good call. Also, i think that suggesting other cheap deals out there may cause more problems in the future as they may break a few months down the line and leave the OP in the same situation.
If going the cheap route, i would buy the cheapest one now to hold me over and then save, save, save to get a good quality mod in a few months.
Good luck, OP.

 

[Bubsmash]

Very true Butch very well said as it does seem like they are still pretty new to vaping so having something in ones hand that does not have safety features added at this point may not be the best option.
That is what I did right away so it would save me money. I have been vaping now for 3 weeks. I seen a few issues arise with my Kangertech Evod 2's. One issue was I was killing my batteries really fast as I was needing to vape allot. I was also finding that they did the trick but I was constantly kicking out the coil as the heat feature would kick in on me.
There is allot of great info that people have added for you. The decision is up to you. I am also not saying anything here on what I now have at my disposal. My Kangertech Evod 2's still work great for when I am charging up my batteries on my main vaping set up that takes roughly four hours.

 

[bobwho77]

Cigarettes must be cheap there. Around here the cost of a weeks cigarettes would easily pay for a new device.

Same thing here in Michigan. $6+ bucks a pack for analogs. Call it $60 for a carton a week.
I've got about $60 invested in my current rig. (An MVP20W, and Aspire Nautilus)
I order online, and get about 6 WEEKS worth of supplies (juice, and coils) for $50
60x6=360 That $50 that I spent on supplies, AND the $60 I spent on my mod still leaves me with $250 compared to smoking.
BTW I don't baby it, but my MVP20W is still going strong after 10 months of daily use.
I'll be upgrading my gear, soosoon, but I think I'll STILL come ouout ahead.