Why I'm Going back to Cigarettes

[codger59]

I completely get what the OP is saying. I don't do "high-end" mods or tanks, but it still seems it's a never-ending battle to find decent ejuice and/or hardware that lasts.
My biggest gripe: clearos/coils - is it really beyond our engineering capability to design a coil that doesn't burn out/leak after a few days?!? The best I've gotten - from any brand - is maybe a week (I won't name names, but the absolute worst starts with a "K" and rhymes with "anger"....ironically. However, so far no others seem to really perform much better). I'm constantly having to order coils...so there goes any "savings" from analogs.
I was getting better performance from my KR808/510 cig-alikes! And I know I was doing better as far as not smoking then.I wanted (and still want) vaping to be a simple and reasonable replacement for the analogs.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want to go back to the analogs...but I completely understand anyone who does. Sometimes it just doesn't seem worth the hassle...

 

[Nimaz]

What I can tell you is why I relapse with a couple of cig today... My vape has been horrible these past days, I rushed out of the the house without backup batteries and I got really ...... while I was waiting in a really long line seeing people cutting in front of me. Also, I seem to spend quite a bit of money in new gears, coils, new tanks, juices and a lot of time on vaping. I've been frustrated by the lack of consistency in my vaping like I would never find my peaceful vaping spot without getting something new that would eventually fix my problem. I thought it was so much easier to smoke, and it is indeed... But these 2 cigs I smoked in 6 hours lapse time irritated my throat, got me short breath and made me remember how miserable my life was as a smoker! Simplicity, reliability and consistency seems to be my issue with vaping today but not money yet since cigarettes were simply breaking my bank and my health.

 

[Rizzyking]

Build your own coils it's really not hard they tend to perform better and last longer then stock coils anyone can do it and all you need is an ohm meter $15, some wire very cheap and some wicking material as cheap or expensive as you wish. There is no reason vaping needs to be expensive plenty of help right here to get people through the early stages. Once you've done it a few times it takes less time to do it then order it off the net, cost is not a valid reason to switch from vaping back to tobacco and very few on here would accept that as a valid argument.

 

[WillieB69]

My biggest gripe: clearos/coils - is it really beyond our engineering capability to design a coil that doesn't burn out/leak after a few days?!? The best I've gotten - from any brand - is maybe a week (I won't name names, but the absolute worst starts with a "K" and rhymes with "anger"....ironically. However, so far no others seem to really perform much better). I'm constantly having to order coils...so there goes any "savings" from analogs.

Coils are not that expensive and if you're going through enough of them that it eats the difference between vaping and smoking, you're doing something wrong. I've gotten a week and a half out of the prebuilt disposable heads and I've been using the same coil on the RBA deck for a month. Just clean it and rewick it.

Is it more of a hassle than analogs? Yes. But it's a trade I'm willing to make for not killing myself with analog smokes.

 

[Nimaz]

Buying cigarettes is like getting your mod and supplies on credit except that you never end-up paying off your bill and your gears are systematically repossessed!

 

[spalife]

You could try FastTech for shopping on budget.

I would recommend you try out Mech Mods,
they need less maintenance and breakdown of electronics is non existent.

All they need is regular cleaning for split liquids and good batteries
(a kick if you want to be safer and don't sub-ohm).

 

[Rizzyking]

A mech is good if the op has the knowledge and equipment to use one safely and that isn't the impression given unless or until the op has the gear and knowledge to safely use a mech they should avoid them. Something dirt cheap such as a vamo or sigelei zmax v3 or 5 would be fine for the op and can be bought for peanuts and fasttech has many regulated cheap mods with enough user comments and reviews to gauge lifespan. Everything needed only really needs time and a little patience to continue vaping and not return to tobacco.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Thanks everyone for all the replies! I'm on disability so i only get paid once a month I live on $691 a month and I budget $100 toward vaping so If i buy a$50 to $80 device that leaves me way short on liquid for the month. I don't want to support big tobacco but it looks like that have me by the balls. Love yall thanks for the reponses

I'm on Social Security Disability right now too. It's been one thing after another after obtaining a degree in a decent field, but I'm not going to waste my time hashing out these issues. On the positive side, I'm thinking of getting out of my field due to the problems with my disability and looking for something that I can do to support myself and my new found hobby of vaping. I don't want to smoke and would rather find anything else to keep me going, and get me off of Soc Sec Disability.

I'm in Chicago. I need to find gainful employment. Cigarettes are $13+ a pack here, and the City of Chicago just passed a $775 million dollar tax that includes a $0.55 cent TAX/ml of vape fluid. Let that one sink in...

 

[Tommy-Chi]

reliable cost effective setup is my avatar
nemesis and 3d rda.
no 510 thread problems.
a $10 15watt kick takes care of short circuit protection, and battery low voltage.

$15.89 Nemesis Style Mechanical Mod - stainless steel / with telescopic 510 contact pin at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$7.26 Variable Wattage Kick Module for Mechanical Mod / PV - range: 5-12 watts at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$7.36 3D RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - for Nemesis Mods / w/ 510 adapter / w/o drip tip at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping


and with a bolt, washers and wire you can rig up an adapter to fit like a battery and vape off an ac/dc adapter plugged into the wall instead of buying batteries

Ingenious! Where are the plans for such devices?

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I'm on Social Security Disability right now too. It's been one thing after another after obtaining a degree in a decent field, but I'm not going to waste my time hashing out these issues. On the positive side, I'm thinking of getting out of my field due to the problems with my disability and looking for something that I can do to support myself and my new found hobby of vaping. I don't want to smoke and would rather find anything else to keep me going, and get me off of Soc Sec Disability.

I'm in Chicago. I need to find gainful employment. Cigarettes are $13+ a pack here, and the City of Chicago just passed a $775 million dollar tax that includes a $0.55 cent TAX/ml of vape fluid. Let that one sink in...

That's crazy on the taxes. Why don't you try making your own juice? I can make 50ml for under $1. You can buy Nic, PG, VG and flavorings and make your own juice for a very long time before needing to restock anything. I've been making my own juice for a few years now and it's saved me a ton of money. What I would have spent 22 bucks on I only spend less than .50 cents and mine tastes better than the store stuff. Once you learn how to mix you can tweak your recipes to your taste. Besides, with the FDA about the take control, it's a smart move to learn to make your own! You can stock up on supplies and not worry about what the FDA does.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I disagree with a lot of what's been said here. Not exactly disagree, but think that the other side is not being acknowledged.

Vaping can have a steep cost of entry. Certainly doesn't have to, but can. A new primary device every few months is bad enough, but when you add to it coil heads, or cartos, etc, and then liquid, it all adds up.

Sure, a savvy shopper can get good prices on all of the above, and an educated self coil building vaper can shave a huge percentage of cost there too.

However, for the average consumer, who wants to go to the store and buy their supplies, just like they used to go to the store to buy a pack, look at what they could end up spending:

$60 for a new device twice a year
$15 for a 5 pack of coil heads that lasts one month
$20 (or more) for 'premium' e liquid at B&M prices for 30 ml, lasts about a week.

That adds up to $1,340 per year, with parts of that cost coming with price tags that are steep compared to one pack of
Stinkies.

It doesn't HAVE to be this way, but this is the retail experience of a large number of people who may want to try vaping.

To the OP, please understand that this can be solved with some education and strategizing. Depending on your level of commitment to it, you can vape radically cheaper than smoke. Pennies on the dollar cheaper. However, even so, there is still a bit of barrier to entry.

A new mechanical can be had for pretty cheap, but you will need some batteries to feed it, and a charger for those. You will need a rebuildable atomizer of some sort, along with wire, and wicking material. For liquid, DIY can come with a bit of an up front cost, but is also super cheap over time. I spent about a hundred bucks on supplies to make just over a gallon and a half of juice.

I'm sub-ohm vaping with a 150W Sigelei, Atlantis II tank and 0.3ohm coils, with the wattage set btw 45W and 65W. The coils never burn/gunk up, and if you're careful, you wash and reuse everything all the time. I use maybe ONE coil every one to two months and calling it chain vaping would be a disservice. I'm just buying supplies for DIY, and once I do that, I'll be shopping for recipes. I'm thinking this could be far cheaper than cigarettes here in Chicago with one pack costing $13+.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

That's crazy on the taxes. Why don't you try making your own juice? I can make 50ml for under $1. You can buy Nic, PG, VG and flavorings and make your own juice for a very long time before needing to restock anything. I've been making my own juice for a few years now and it's saved me a ton of money. What I would have spent 22 bucks on I only spend less than .50 cents and mine tastes better than the store stuff. Once you learn how to mix you can tweak your recipes to your taste. Besides, with the FDA about the take control, it's a smart move to learn to make your own! You can stock up on supplies and not worry about what the FDA does.

Yep, I'm buying supplies to DIY, and I'm thinking abt going in to the vaping business as a distributor. It would be way to early to say that it was a sure thing though. A lot more research needs to be done.

 

[seebo]

how can you complain about the costs of devices when the price of cigarettes are through the roof? i don't know how much the cancer sticks cost where you're from, but here in CT they are $10 a pack! which costs me $160-$180 a month to maintain that habit. when i started smoking 15 years ago, they were $1.80 a pack!!

even if i buy a $100 mod every month (which i don't) i will still be saving hundreds of dollars in just a few months. there is huge corruption here (lame Democrats) and every time the states needs extra money they jack up the price of the cigarettes by 50-60 cents. in a 2-3 month time frame the cigarettes have gone up from $8 a pack to $10.. rather than look for revenue in other areas, they tax the people who have little money to maintain their addiction which many cannot control.

sorry for being blunt, but have fun making someone else rich while killing yourself in the process!

 

[Rixsta]

This post had me a little shocked, I'd rather pay out and struggle every 6 months than kill myself smoking, surely what you spend in 6 months you can buy another mod anyway..

Kinda upsetting to doom yourself back to the death sticks.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Maybe they'll put that on your tombstone.

As you can see by my signature, vaping is much cheaper.

Doh!

 

[tomtstealhead]

I just wanted to say farewell to all my friends here because this is my last post here. I'm going back to traditional cigarettes. My beloved and only MOD I have the iStick 50W died on me only after 6 months it will no longer charge I used the correct charger (1 AMP). It seems that i cant keep a MOD more the 6 months and I take VERY good care of them. I'm very poor and for me to buy a cheap MOD is a very BIG DEAL. I need it to last at least a year I understand now that all MODS are essentially disposable They will eventually die. yes I save money on e-liquid but if I have to but a new $50-$80 device every 6 months it negates the savings on the liquid. I love vaping and had a deep passion for it but I just cant afford it right now I hope vaping continues on and continues saving peoples life. Love yall for all the help and goodbye.

The math isn't penciling out I get 50 ml juice $5.00 ea. I could by a mod every month and still save money compared to cigs maybe try cheaper juice?

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

Yep, I'm buying supplies to DIY, and I'm thinking abt going in to the vaping business as a distributor. It would be way to early to say that it was a sure thing though. A lot more research needs to be done.

I think right now is the worse time to go into any vape business. You have no idea what is coming with the FDA. I think it's best to wait on that. You'll end up tying money into it and maybe take a huge loss. I thought about opening a Vape shop last year. I had the money and all but then the FDA came out with their deeming regulations and I decided against it. It's not a smart business move until after the regulations come through.

 

[The Eciginator]

Strange, never had any mod die on me, and I chain vape the suckers and just stuff em in a pocket or cup holder when I go out! I just jinxed myself, didn't I!!

 

[seebo]

The math isn't penciling out I get 50 ml juice $5.00 ea. I could by a mod every month and still save money compared to cigs maybe try cheaper juice?

or you can make your own for much less..

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I think right now is the worse time to go into any vape business. You have no idea what is coming with the FDA. I think it's best to wait on that. You'll end up tying money into it and maybe take a huge loss. I thought about opening a Vape shop last year. I had the money and all but then the FDA came out with their deeming regulations and I decided against it. It's not a smart business move until after the regulations come through.

I agree... I'm waiting for some time in 1st qtr of 2016. I think some decision has to be made before April. Doing the research doesn't cost me anything and it keeps me from getting gloomy about vaping industry sitrep.

Have a huge target market here in Illinois. Going to keep buying nicotine, flavors, lab materials, accessories, etc, so that no matter what I'll be able to vape for some time.

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