Why ProVari?

[mostapha]

You know why I have a macintosh over a pc? You know why I have an iPhone over an android? You know why I have a Gibson over a Peavy? You know why I ride a Ducati over a Suzuki? You know why I use my Provari instead of anything else I have?

I like your style. I'm a strat guy, so I have a G&L, and I own Lenovo and Apple computers and Apple and Google devices. Totally agree about the Ducati…not a first bike, but I anxiously await the day when I feel qualified to ride one. But, the sentiment is great. I like things that work and keep working.

Like I said, this thread makes me want a mini as well. It'll go well with my full size and all of my other devices.

 

[Chikenbok]

I like your style. I'm a strat guy, so I have a G&L, and I own Lenovo and Apple computers and Apple and Google devices. Totally agree about the Ducati…not a first bike, but I anxiously await the day when I feel qualified to ride one. But, the sentiment is great. I like things that work and keep working.

Like I said, this thread makes me want a mini as well. It'll go well with my full size and all of my other devices.

My Ducati 1198 SS was my present to myself after I passed my racing qualifications on my good old gixxer 1000. Its a beast... A serious beast of a bike that does exactly what you want it to, when you want it to. Sadly, it spent most of last season in the garage because I was teaching full-time and didn't have time to ride. This season came about, took her out of the garage, refilled the fluids, and she started up first shot without a sputter (although I think she was angry she spent 10 months in the dark alone).

Kind of like my provari

No go out and buy yourself a mini!

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I have all standard sized Provari right now. I have not broken down and got a mini yet. On the 18490 the Provari does not seem to large to me. The Provari on the other side of my does not seem that large either even though it is running on on 18650. They are what I use at home and my desk. They are to me a tiny bit big to toss in a pocket but I do it now and then. I keep thinking going down to a mini will not make much difference in portability but so many have posted that it does. I might have to add the smallest Provari to the litter. I just wish I could get a mini in the same machining as my standard size so that they looked like a set.

 

[cerver7]

Just grabbed a mini the other day. Very nice. Took it out and was like "aw how cute" it's much smaller in comparison.

 

[bfrie]

Hey guys, lets argue over what setting we put our electronic cigarette on. We would all look so stupid if an outsider wandered across this thread.

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[mostapha]

@chickenbok: awesome. And congrats on the quals. I'm just getting into it, and finally convinced the gf that it wasn't that much different from road bicycles in cities. Still figuring out my starter bike. Hopefully by the end of the summer, since it never gets that cold here.

@jjoohhnn: it is a good bit smaller. It's roughly the size of an 18500 mod like the bolt. I'be held a couple before. I'm glad I got the full size first. But it might be time to add a mini. The only high end mech I'm excited about right now is the nemesis, and I'm just not sure I could spend that much sight unseen compared to something that I know is awesome and solid.

Probably later this year. I'm having trouble deciding whether to get black again or get a blue one this time. And I might just try the nemesis if I get a chance.

 

[cerver7]

Mostapha, if my memory serves me correctly, weren't you a provari hater at one point??

 

[mostapha]

Hey guys, lets argue over what setting we put our electronic cigarette on. We would all look so stupid if an outsider wandered across this thread.

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I only ever out mine on one of 2 settings: 4.2 for that fresh battery hit all the time or 0.2V below e1 if I missed the coil I was trying to wrap and it was stupid high. Everything else is done with the fire button and how I draw.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I got my Provari just to shut people up. I loved my eVic (still do!), but was tired of hearing the "you have not vaped until you use a ProVari" nonsense. The ProVarinati that is in my in my signature block was made mocking the cult-like mentality. So, for my one-year quit smoking anniversary, I got me a full size ProVari.

When I got it, I was disappointed with the way it came in a Priority Mail cardboard box with the components bubble wrapped. I did not understand why I had to stick to the 2000 mAh batteries they recommended, but I went ahead and ordered one, convinced I would be disappointed with the battery life. After all, my eVic used the 3400 mAh batteries, so these would disappoint. Then I started vaping.

Remember, I did not want to like this device. The flavor was clearly better than my eVic. Not a huge difference, but it was clearly better. But I knew the eVic's superior menu would carry the day over this two digit, clunky, single button nightmare on my ProVari. Guess what? It took me 6 hours to realize the menu for the ProVari, while not as pretty as the eVic, was great. Now, I was in serious danger of falling for this device....

Ah, but the battery thing! That would save me for sure. I had a clever test to expose the "real world" difference, I filled two EVODs all the way up, and measured how much juice my Panisonic 3400 would vape over that wimpy AW 2000. I was stunned to see that the AW outperformed the Panny. I actually got a bit under 1/2ml more with the AW 2000. How can this be? I suppose the clearly superior voltage regulation was the difference...

The ProVari is King of the Mods. At least the ones I have tried. Better than my eVic, clearly better than my Vamo, much, much better than either of my Lavatubes. I wear my previously-mocking ProVari symbol now as a badge of honor.

 

[Fury83]

Provari users typing tone lol. Provari talk sounds like appke fanboys.

Yeah...I clearly love me some Apple products...right on

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[EddardinWinter]

You like it so much you hide it's true identity with the Galaxy Nexus signature to hide it?

That is a great trick!

 

[killjoyken]

I got my Provari just to shut people up. I loved my eVic (still do!), but was tired of hearing the "you have not vaped until you use a ProVari" nonsense. The ProVarinati that is in my in my signature block was made mocking the cult-like mentality. So, for my one-year quit smoking anniversary, I got me a full size ProVari.

When I got it, I was disappointed with the way it came in a Priority Mail cardboard box with the components bubble wrapped. I did not understand why I had to stick to the 2000 mAh batteries they recommended, but I went ahead and ordered one, convinced I would be disappointed with the battery life. After all, my eVic used the 3400 mAh batteries, so these would disappoint. Then I started vaping.

Remember, I did not want to like this device. The flavor was clearly better than my eVic. Not a huge difference, but it was clearly better. But I knew the eVic's superior menu would carry the day over this two digit, clunky, single button nightmare on my ProVari. Guess what? It took me 6 hours to realize the menu for the ProVari, while not as pretty as the eVic, was great. Now, I was in serious danger of falling for this device....

Ah, but the battery thing! That would save me for sure. I had a clever test to expose the "real world" difference, I filled two EVODs all the way up, and measured how much juice my Panisonic 3400 would vape over that wimpy AW 2000. I was stunned to see that the AW outperformed the Panny. I actually got a bit under 1/2ml more with the AW 2000. How can this be? I suppose the clearly superior voltage regulation was the difference...

The ProVari is King of the Mods. At least the ones I have tried. Better than my eVic, clearly better than my Vamo, much, much better than either of my Lavatubes. I wear my previously-mocking ProVari symbol now as a badge of honor.

This is exactly the same experience I had with my first Provari. You couldn't have said it any better. Unfortunately, until they actually try a Provari, they will never understand.

Has any company produced a VW device that delivers the instant, smooth and exact power delivery of the Provari? I have yet to find one. I haven't yet tried a DNA20 mod, but the eVic and Vamo didn't measure up. I'm not bashing either device, in fact the eVic was the pv that helped me quit smoking. But to say that the eVic or Vamo are better than the Provari because they have VW is absolute nonsense.

 

[Sector000]

If you want to know how much work is being done by any electrical system, look at Amps.
Therefore the next big thing in mods is going to be Variable Amperage selection.

Variable Amperage would be no better than Variable Voltage. They're both missing a variable.

Current (amperage) is a unit of electric flow. It's usually the flow of electrons, but not always.

Voltage is the electric potential difference between two points. It's what pushes electrons from one location to another. Think of voltage as the electrical "pressure". It pushes electrons from a location with high pressure to somewhere else with lower pressure.

Current (I) or voltage (V) alone won't tell us the power.

To get the full picture, we need to also know the resistance (R).

I = V/R
V = IR

To calculate power (P):

P = IV

Substituting V/R for I (for variable voltage):

P = V²/R

Or susbistuting IR for V (for variable amperage):

P = I²R

Note that you'd still need to know the resistance.

Work (E) is actually energy or power multipled by time (s):

E = Ps
P = E/s

As you can see, power is energy per second. Watt is a unit of power. That's why Variable Wattage is also called Variable Power. Because they're the same thing.

VV could also be called Variable Potential. So, it's correct to say VW gives you the actual power, and VV only gives you the potential.

Bottom line. The simple fact is watt is a unit of power. Volt and amp are not.

 

[Sector000]

Because the numbers don't matter to humans.

Then what's the display for?

Why even have an ohmmeter?

Why not just have settings from 0-10?

But even if you're just using 0-10, it's still better to account for resistance. And so, it's back to power again.

If numbers don't really matter, our cars would just have 0-10, with 10 being "very fast".

 

[Sector000]

I'll keep this short. People touted the set and forget of VW all the time on here when it first came out, you know, before March.

Ad hominem much? The fact that I'm relatively new to vaping doesn't strengthen your argument one bit. Even if I had never vaped before, my argument stands. You have not presented a single argument for VV (or against VW). You're just hand waving, then declaring VW "unnecessary".

So let's recap what you have said, in VV and VW you still have to adjust the setting for different variables or preferences at that time. But VW is better because you don't have to account for resistance. You'd still adjust for taste and other things.

Exactly. Why worry about resistance and associated arithmetics when a microprocessor can do that faster than you by orders of magnitutde? I know VW alone doesn't automatically adjust for taste and preference, but neither does VV. Nothing does, by definition. It's a preference. So that's irrelevant.

I don't think anyone who has had a VV for more than a day needs a calculator to know at what voltages they like different resistances , so that part is automatic.

The fact that there are charts, math tricks, and apps clearly indicate that you're wrong. These things are often recommended to beginners. They are needed because the user doesn't have VW. They are a waste of time because VW could do all that in a split second.

I don't really think not spending the 4 seconds it takes when you screw a new atty on to read the resistance yourself is a real advantage.

It's more than 4 seconds for most people. The menu system on the Provari alone requires more than 4 seconds. But why bother with even 1 second? Do you really think you can test the resistance and evaluate square roots faster than a microcontroller?

What you're arguing is calculators are "unnecessary". Just use paper and pencil and do long divison by hand.

Since you are just going to argue principals against practice...

Actually, you're the one doing that. I'm doing the exact oppopsite.

You are saying, with a little math and practice and lots of button pushing, you can adjust the voltage to achieve any wattage. Technically true.

What I'm saying is... you're adjusting power anyway, so adjust power right from the start. Watt is a unit power, volt is not.

 

[Fury83]

Similar to last post

I'll ask again

Your experience with a provari?

Your experience with a china vv/vw device?

The difference you experienced between the two. Not how VV works or how VW works, actual experience with the devices this thread is about. Or you can just rattle off more things that everyone knows and avoid the question. Experience with using things is key in this discussion, not just the principles a device works on.

I'm not even sure why I'm arguing vv and vw, the thread was about provari's vs china made vv/vw's...care to weigh in with your experiences?

 

[denali_41]

If you want to know how much work is being done by any electrical system, look at Amps.
Therefore the next big thing in mods is going to be Variable Amperage selection.

yuup.so true !! it is about the only variable left now


if you have never used a porvari ? you will never understand !! so stop trying

 

[EddardinWinter]

Sector, I agree with you that in principle VW is a nice deal. I believe that the Vamo's processor is so inaccurate that the value of it on that device is quite questionable. I believe the eVic is a bit more accurate at sensing ohms, and delivering a voltage as indicated. But even with the eVic, when your Volts delivered exceed the volts of the battery, it begins to break down and is not as accurate. So even though both of these mods have a nice feature that does have some distinct advantages, their execution is so sloppy that they end up getting outperformed by the simple elegance of the ProVari.

All the ProVari does is deliver the exact voltage it indicates, with a smooth and consistent voltage, from the first puff to the last of the battery. There is no comparison on vape quality.

SO to go back to your AC thermostat analogy, you said the one with the stat was VW, and the one with the on/off switch was VV. Let's tweak that a bit. The VW is an AC with a digital stat, with night set back, schedule mode, and all sorts of features. The VV is an old bimetallic strip type deals. A round stat with an indicator arrow for set point, and a second one indicating actual temperature. Now the digital stat wins hands-down, right?

But let's assume for a minute that the digital one is sometimes "off" as much as ten percent. Even worse, sometimes it is ten percent high, and sometimes six percent low. We don't know what it is gonna do! The old stat, well it is dead-on accurate. So while it lacks any of the features of the other stat, it keeps the space much more predictably comfortable. It does it day in, and day out, never changing a bit and doing what it does with simpler, but much more precise technology.

That, my friend, describes the current VV/VW situation. Great idea, that VW. But none of the mods that employ it (that I have used) have the basics done well enough to really take advantage of it.

 

[Fury83]

^^^^^Which is why having had the devices in questions matters in these sorts of arguments.

Also pertains to the provari menu vs three button set ups...I've had both and hold these two buttons for three seconds to do this and five seconds to do this is actually more of a pain than press the button five times and select the option you want.

Actually using something and seeing how it works and what it does is very important.

If not, you could say, both the Sigelei 19b and Paps Lux are bottom button tubes...the sigelei has a spring that automatically adjusts to keep the battery from moving where you have to adjust the post in the Paps...the spring design and the sigelei are better. The spring saves 5 seconds of adjusting.

 

[EddardinWinter]

^^^^^Which is why having had the devices in questions matters in these sorts of arguments.

Also pertains to the provari menu vs three button set ups...I've had both and hold these two buttons for three seconds to do this and five seconds to do this is actually more of a pain than press the button five times and select the option you want.

Amen, brother. I have said it before, so now I say it again (I seem to never weary of the sound of my own voice). 95% of the ProVari complaints seem to come from people who do not own the device.