Why ProVari?

[cardenio]

People buy provaris because they are virtually indestructible, reliable variable volt mods. I personally switch between an Itaste SVD a kicked GG Mechanical and a Provari/Provari mini. That being said i barely ever use my Provaris anymore since getting the other two. In durability and function the Provari gets 10 out of 10, GG gets 7, and SVD gets 9. However in terms of Utility and ease of use id give the Provari a 5, the GG a 7 and the SVD a 10... Do you want durability or something easy to use with a lot of features? your call.

 

[Sector000]

You're trying to heat a coil by feeding power through it.

So why isn't it obvious that variable power is better than variable voltage?

All mods have a great "regulator" built in: the fire button. As long as your juice feed & wick can keep up…if you want it hotter, just cook it longer. The coil will keep heating up more than you think it will. Want it cooler? Let it rest for a bit. The setting just makes it quicker and wastes less juice.

By that reasoning, all air conditioners have a great "regulator" built in: the AC plug or ON/OFF switch. No thermostats needed.

Just turn it on when it's too hot. Turn it off when it's too cold. Easy.

Continuing the AC analogy, VW would be a thermostat. VV would be a knob to control the duty cycle or even just a manual ON/OFF switch. They both do the same thing, but the thermostat is clearly better. Only on ECF will anyone argue otherwise.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

So why isn't it obvious that variable power is better than variable voltage?


By that reasoning, all air conditioners have a great "regulator" built in: the AC plug or ON/OFF switch. No thermostats needed.

Just turn it on when it's too hot. Turn it off when it's too cold. Easy.

Continuing the AC analogy, VW would be a thermostat. VV would be a knob to control the duty cycle or even just a manual ON/OFF switch. They both do the same thing, but the thermostat is clearly better. Only on ECF will anyone argue otherwise.

Your analogies are about the best I've seen on ECF. I believe they really clarify the issues remarkably well. Like your posts. I encourage your participation. Thanks for your help.

 

[Sector000]

I'm not arguing against any of this, I'm arguing against it being done by the device as being necessary.

Of course, it's not absolutely necessary. It's just better. Even voltage regulation isn't necessary. For that matter, you don't even need a fire button. Just connect some wires. Heck, get rid of the battery tube while you're at it. All you need is a battery and some wires.

Resistance shouldn't be bouncing around in a significant manner as to necessitate constant reading of the ohms. I have a term c that I built and it metered at 1.6ohms yesterday, still 1.6ohms today. Might be 1.7ohms tomorrow in which case I can bump the voltage up 0.1 but there is not a need to check the ohms all day.

Some coils will be more stable than others, but all will have some manufacturing or DIY variances. But the point is, with VW, you don't need to compensate for resistance. Ever. If your resistant is 100% stable, it works. If it's not, it still works just as well. Not so with VV.

I do understand how it all works and what vw actually does.

Then we agree that VW is better, right? You may not care about this particular feature, but you can't deny that it's better. Just like I may not care about mechanical devices, but I understand it's better when it comes to raw power.

 

[Fury83]

Of course, it's not absolutely necessary. It's just better. Even voltage regulation isn't necessary. For that matter, you don't even need a fire button. Just connect some wires. Heck, get rid of the battery tube while you're at it. All you need is a battery and some wires.

This is a bunch of nonsense but thanks for sharing

Some coils will be more stable than others, but all will have some manufacturing or DIY variances. But the point is, with VW, you don't need to compensate for resistance. Ever. If your resistant is 100% stable, it works. If it's not, it still works just as well. Not so with VV.

No with vw you just end compensating for every else. Unless your juice, wicking material, airflow and atomizer are the same, your resistance being stable is going to stop adjustments from being needed. As long as you always want the same vape, never a bit warmer or cooler, more intense flavor or toned down.

So yes, you are correct. If you buy an accurate vw device and want a homogeneous vape using the same juice, wick, airflow and atomizer...your vw will compensate for resistance. Well, even then on RBA's things like gauge of wire/amount of coils will make a difference.

But aside from that, you are still changing numbers, just different numbers and maybe changing them less often.

Then we agree that VW is better, right? You may not care about this particular feature, but you can't deny that it's better. Just like I may not care about mechanical devices, but I understand it's better when it comes to raw power.

Nope and it's not that simple with mechs either. Maybe for raw power over 20 watts.

In the end, saying one thing is better than the other is dumb. It's all what you want but you can't really call a provari outdated or lacking features when metal tubes with spring/magnetic buttons are the most popular thing around. Let's not forget hybrids, they're unitaskers (most are) and also all the rage. I don't really need to defend or not down anything, I just don't think people should buy VW devices thinking it's some miracle set and forget perfect vape.

 

[Fury83]

And if I just myself dumb, it's probably true.

Arguing vv or vw...ain't nobody got time for that!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sector000]

No with vw you just end compensating for every else.

That's misleading. With VV, you also need to do the same things, in addition to whatever VW would have automatically done for you.

Unless your juice, wicking material, airflow and atomizer are the same, your resistance being stable is going to stop adjustments from being needed. As long as you always want the same vape, never a bit warmer or cooler, more intense flavor or toned down.

Also misleading. You can adjust VW. It's even easier than VV because you don't have to waste time dealing with resistance. You don't have to stick with the same vape. That's nonsense.

If you buy an accurate vw device and want a homogeneous vape using the same juice, wick, airflow and atomizer...your vw will compensate for resistance.

No, it always compensate for resistance, no matter how you use it. What makes you think VW needs the same juice, wick, airflow, and atomizer to work?

I just don't think people should buy VW devices thinking it's some miracle set and forget perfect vape.

No one has ever said anything like that. All I'm saying is VW is better than VV, for the purpose of maintaining power.... because power, by definition, is heat transfer per second and we're heating a wire and that takes, duh, heat. Why do I even need to state the obvious?

 

[Bman1959]

If you want to know how much work is being done by any electrical system, look at Amps.
Therefore the next big thing in mods is going to be Variable Amperage selection.

 

[mostapha]

So why isn't it obvious that variable power is better than variable voltage?

Because the numbers don't matter to humans. And it's all just algebra anyway. Well, calculus. But it doesn't matter either way.

You've never lived in Atlanta during the summer. Where I come from, air conditioners don't need off switches.

I know it doesn't matter. I'm the one sitting around on ECF and reddit on a Friday night waiting to pick up a friend from the airport. I'm already the loser. But, I own both types of devices. I don't see that much of a difference between them in practice, just different ways to get at the same thing.

 

[Fury83]

That's misleading. With VV, you also need to do the same things, in addition to whatever VW would have automatically done for you.


Also misleading. You can adjust VW. It's even easier than VV because you don't have to waste time dealing with resistance. You don't have to stick with the same vape. That's nonsense.


No, it always compensate for resistance, no matter how you use it. What makes you think VW needs the same juice, wick, airflow, and atomizer to work?


No one has ever said anything like that. All I'm saying is VW is better than VV, for the purpose of maintaining power.... because power, by definition, is heat transfer per second and we're heating a wire and that takes, duh, heat. Why do I even need to state the obvious?

I'll keep this short. People touted the set and forget of VW all the time on here when it first came out, you know, before March.

So let's recap what you have said, in VV and VW you still have to adjust the setting for different variables or preferences at that time. But VW is better because you don't have to account for resistance. You'd still adjust for taste and other things.

I don't think anyone who has had a VV for more than a day needs a calculator to know at what voltages they like different resistances , so that part is automatic. The rest is adjusting to taste and other variables... kind of like you do in VW.

So basically, you are saying that VW is better because someone doesn't have to learn their preferences for one particular variable? Now you can blah blah about how it's better because it compensates for resistance (I've never said it didn't but you apparently took it that way) but that is not really a practical, real world advantage. It can be a preference and it's certainly a nice principal but I don't really think not spending the 4 seconds it takes when you screw a new atty on to read the resistance yourself is a real advantage. If you're rebuilding, you'd already know the answer to that anyway.

Since you are just going to argue principals against practice...let me ask you this...in your 4 months of vaping how many and which vw devices have you had...how many provari's...what is your impression of both? Did the VW make a big difference between these VW devices and your provari? The thread is really about china VW's vs provari's (though it pretended to be about manufacturing costs)...since we actually use these devices and don't just talk about what they calculate, let me know your thoughts.

Different juices, different wicks, different airflow, even different drip tip lengths...all cause adjustments either way. Real world difference is changing a different number to adjust the output either way. Maybe one way a little more often than the other but it's not really an issue for most people. Plus, again, the provari is more accurate than any of these devices under load with a single battery.

I lied about the short part

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I am thinking no mater how advanced things get my Provari's will still be useful.

I am a carto tank guy and I don't see the need for anything else except for when I want a hands free device or something small and light.

I have used the features on the Provari but don't use them very often except for power up and power down. The Provari seems to have all the features I want and I use most of the features it has rarely. Because the thing I use most if the power setting and it is simple enough that even if it were made simpler it would not really affect me. I don't see the need for a lot of features.

I want things simple-this is simple enough.
I want things quality-this is quality.
I want something heavy and stable when it sets on a table or desk for home and office use-it fits this category very well.

I want something highly portable and automatic for hands free use-it does not fit this one, looks like I need two different devices.

I only want devices that I will use and plenty of backup of virtually identical devices.

I see no need to use my highly portable devices at home since I have Provari (Plural). My home office solution I think is sorted for the rest of my life unless cartomizers and the tanks vanish from from the world.

My highly portable device is more up in the air.

 

[donwuan]

I will never own a provari because of this website. Thanks for the thread OP.

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[JJOOHHNN]

I will never own a provari because of this website. Thanks for the thread OP.

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Why does this website chase you away from a Provari?

 

[donwuan]

Why does this website chase you away from a Provari?

Provari users typing tone lol. Provari talk sounds like appke fanboys.

Dont feel like typing something long. Ill go with my usual blah blah blah im a noob what do I know.

One thing ive learned if I want a hot thread throw.provari in the title.

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[cerver7]

Provari users typing tone lol. Provari talk sounds like appke fanboys.

Dont feel like typing something long. Ill go with my usual blah blah blah im a noob what do I know.

One thing ive learned if I want a hot thread throw.provari in the title.

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why you mad bro??

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Provari users typing tone lol. Provari talk sounds like appke fanboys.

Dont feel like typing something long. Ill go with my usual blah blah blah im a noob what do I know.

One thing ive learned if I want a hot thread throw.provari in the title.

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There is a reason. Provari owners tend to really like them. No they are not for everyone. Many Provari owners use other things as well. Unless you go to some high end mechanical device, a high end box mod, or a high end bottom feeder it is hard to find this build quality. There are items I have built 50 years ago that I prefer to newer stuff because of build quality. It is something that is less common in this throwaway era.

If I didn't like the Provari so much I would mention that too. It fills most of my needs but it is not the only thing I use. I wish it could fill all of my needs but I have a niche that it just cannot do so I have to use at least two different devices.

 

[donwuan]

why you mad bro??

Lol thats still a thing. Not by any means buddy.

Check the thread out and it had all the fanboyish symptoms. Big name in title and 25 pages with flames bursting out of it.

I will try one but It will be half of what most paid.

But what do I know Im still finding my perfect stash.



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[Chikenbok]

I will try one but It will be half of what most paid.
But what do I know Im still finding my perfect stash.

I really wanted to stay out of this thread... but what in the hell are you going on about?

Do people not understand the concept of a 'fanboy' and how the term is used in the non-pejorative sense? Things develop gatherings not because they're garbage that doesn't work well, they develop this 'fanboy' base because people enjoy using them and feel as though they should stand behind the product that they love. Whether that be a laptop, a phone, OR THE DEVICE THAT HELPED THEM QUIT SMOKING CIGARETTES.

Us fanboys apologize in advance that something helped us get healthier in a way that we enjoyed, at least, I know I personally am very sorry that I stand behind a product that I would recommend to any of my friends that were trying to not die.

/I'mdonenow.sorry.

Actually I'm not done now. Now I'm riled up.

You know why I have a macintosh over a pc? You know why I have an iPhone over an android? You know why I have a Gibson over a Peavy? You know why I ride a Ducati over a Suzuki? You know why I use my Provari instead of anything else I have?

Because every time I want to use it, I can, without fail. And it will work, until I'm done using it. Am I a fanboy now, because I support something that works when I use it -- every single time? Or is it because I'll pay a few extra bucks for something without as many features, that isn't as shiny as something new because well, I just prefer rock solid builds with warranties.

I guess I'm just - what's the term my students always use? Old School.

 

[cerver7]

I really wanted to stay out of this thread... but what in the hell are you going on about?

Do people not understand the concept of a 'fanboy' and how the term is used in the non-pejorative sense? Things develop gatherings not because they're garbage that doesn't work well, they develop this 'fanboy' base because people enjoy using them and feel as though they should stand behind the product that they love. Whether that be a laptop, a phone, OR THE DEVICE THAT HELPED THEM QUIT SMOKING CIGARETTES.

Us fanboys apologize in advance that something helped us get healthier in a way that we enjoyed, at least, I know I personally am very sorry that I stand behind a product that I would recommend to any of my friends that were trying to not die.

/I'mdonenow.sorry.

Actually I'm not done now. Now I'm riled up.

You know why I have a macintosh over a pc? You know why I have an iPhone over an android? You know why I have a Gibson over a Peavy? You know why I ride a Ducati over a Suzuki? You know why I use my Provari instead of anything else I have?

Because every time I want to use it, I can, without fail. And it will work, until I'm done using it. Am I a fanboy now, because I support something that works when I use it -- every single time? Or is it because I'll pay a few extra bucks for something without as many features, that isn't as shiny as something new because well, I just prefer rock solid builds with warranties.

I guess I'm just - what's the term my students always use? Old School.

Ayyyy mennnn brotha

 

[unseenme]

I bought a Provari Mini yesterday. I was able to test it against an SVD, which I ordered from Fasttech Thursday, and a Smok ZMAX Mini. The performance is amazing. Junkie Juice's Chill'n Cherry actually tastes like marischino cherries with the Provari, whereas with the SVD and ZMAX it tasted like flavored cherry juice. I'm a 3 month rookie to vaping but I own a Vamo V2 and the SVD is on its way to me. The Provari is outstanding in vapor and flavor over the 3 devices I've tried now. You can tell how well built it is just by holding it. I'm not a fanboy because I like choices which is why I'm building a collection, but as much as this device gets an Apple-like following, it deserves it. It works and works great. Every vape tastes the same. One year warranty. It's worth every bit of $200 if you're a hardcore vaper as I've become.

Just my $.02

*sent from a Galaxy not so far away*