Why the DUD over the DID

[Nepherael]

I recently started using RBA's and here's some things I've noticed about the DUD vs the DID and why I have chosen to use the DUD. Note: the DUD is known as the griffin on some websites but I have seen many people call it the DUD on here so I used that for recognition purposes as a name for the DID clone.

The airhole: I use a fruity juice (straight strawberry from tasty vapor) and the wide open drawhole of the DID seems to require a higher voltage for a good hit because of the unrestricted airflow. That causes my juice to taste burnt and bad. The slightly tighter draw of the DUD feels exactly like any atomizer I've used previously and lets me tailor my hit with my sucking versus trying to cover or uncover the hole a bit like on the DID.

The wick hole: the wick hole on the DID is huge. It isn't really a drawback but it is much easier for me to get my juice to wick with the smaller hole

The reservoir: to some of you the larger reservoir of the DID is a plus but, for me, the smaller reservoir of the DUD is a plus because it isn't as clunky and doesn't make whatever I'm using so top heavy (I don't have a pro vari and the mods I use are mostly VV bottom feeders that the neither the DUD nor the DID fit on. I have been using these with an intaste) and, best of all, the smaller reservoir leaves for less discolored juice when you start to get that nasty taste before a refill (not all of you probably get that but using light fruit flavors they taste nasty when they get all burnt up and discolored)

The price: Well, that's obvious XD

I hope this helps anyone if they're trying to make a decision. I definitely suggest trying the cheaper version of these RBA's first if you're deciding whether or not to start using them. I personally have the low end version of at least 4 different RBA's and enjoy them very much

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[vapdivrr]

i have had the DID now for 5 months and actually find that the vapor at lower resistances better than at higher resistances. i also use a strawberry juice most of the time. my set up is 28g kanthal 4 wraps @ 0.08 to 1.0 ohms and about 3.2 to 3.5volts on my provari. the lower ohms gives a thicker vapor and much better taste than i find with using higher ohms and higher volts. i did try a dud and reurned it after 1 day. wasnt used to the tighter draw, and wick and hole didnt align. also had a problem with the connection into the provari. the DID all the way

 

[WNCmotard]

I have had or have the following; DID, mini DID, ZAP, ZAU, DUD, Ody V2, Penelope, and two iHybrids. And my standard DID to this day is still one of my go to RBA's, I freaking love the thing. Easy to setup, very forgiving when it starts to run dry, great flavor, and tons of plumes.

 

[studiovap]

I have had or have the following; DID, mini DID, ZAP, ZAU, DUD, Ody V2, Penelope, and two iHybrids. And my standard DID to this day is still one of my go to RBA's, I freaking love the thing. Easy to setup, very forgiving when it starts to run dry, great flavor, and tons of plumes.

+10 WNCmotard The Dud is ok, but the DID original is in a different league altogether, it is for life, and I have three, and a fourth on the way:

 

[WNCmotard]

+10 WNCmotard The Dud is ok, but the DID original is in a different league altogether, it is for life, and I have three, and a fourth on the way:

I got the DUD while waiting on my mini DID to ship, to get some wick /coil practice. When the real deal showed up, I passed the DUD along to a friend. I have two DID's, and really want a Gemini for my third sometime soon hopefully.

 

[Kevin King]

i have a phoenix. and i know what a DID is..but ... does DID and DUD stand for

 

[Uma]

I'm just the opposite, OP! I find that the Mini DID is smaller, more finessed, with a larger wick hole and other major detailed differences. The genuine MINI DID fits beautifully on the smaller pvs, the clone, on the other hand, is top heavy bulky.

 

[Phil McRotch]

i have a phoenix. and i know what a DID is..but ... does DID and DUD stand for

DID is the original line.

DUD is just the name given to clones of the DID; i.e. the Vulcan. Sometimes referred to as ChiD.

I think I got that right.

 

[Zenataos]

I have 2 Provari's a normal and a mini.

On my Normal I have a DID, rocking a 1.2 ohm coil and pushing 4.0 volts, nice solid vape.

On my Mini I have a ZAP, running a 1.4 ohm coil and 4.4 volts, again great vape.

Out of the two of them, I prefer the ZAP, mainly for aesthetics as both of them vape similar, I also prefer the open draw of the ZAP compared to the tighter one on my DID.

 

[CountSmackula]

As much as I'd love to own a D-20 DID or a Mini-DID, the price is just out of my league - Currently ~$120 incl. shipping. I've purchased FIVE Chids/Duds/Griffins/whatever for less than that (incl. shipping).

Are they of the same manufacturing/materials/quality standards as the real thing? Hell no. But... do they work as a genesis style atomizer should? Hell to the yeah.

p.s. Same goes for my AGAs... and I imagine my Chobras & AGA-Ts will perform admirably as well (once those co-ops come in). I just can't afford the high-end RBAs. 2 each of these 3 RBAs still cost less than a 'clearance' DID/Mini-DID. C'est la vie!

 

[j4mmin42]

I'm of the school of thought that your success with Genesis systems has much more to do with how you choose to set them up and what coil/wick choices you make, rather than how much they cost or how nice they look or feel.

I have both versions of the DUD- the one with the open draw and the one with the tighter draw. I've also used a genuine mini DID. To be honest, when they're set up correctly (which is different for each), the differences between the real thing and the clone are minuscule. When they're set up correctly-possibly with a bored-out air hole on the clones- I would put money on being able to blindfold any "pro" vapers out there and being able to fool them into thinking the clone was the real thing, or vice-versa, as there is no substantial difference in taste or vapor production, especially when the draw is "corrected".

Kudos to the OP for stating your honest opinion, even with the knowledge that said opinion might get eaten alive by some of the FB's/FG's.

 

[vapdivrr]

i am sure that both when set up may be close, but i feel like with better build quality that an object will outlast one of inferior quality. so i look at it like this, i used to smoke almost 2 packs of cigs a day, thats about 130 dollars in 2 weeks. so i would just save up that money and in 2 weeks buy a well built genny and i know i will have a product that i know will last. i have been through this same delema before, how many tools and items i have bought through the years. almost every time i have tried to save money, in the end it bits me right in the a--. you think that you are saving money, but in the long run, and you are not. but maybe i am comparing apples to oranges. only time will tell i guess. i just like quality things and will save for them, thats just me.

 

[j4mmin42]

I kind of look at it from both sides: The cheaper RBA's all seem to be holding up well over time, but even if they didn't, they would still be to me what they are today, which is that they're great for everyday use outside of the home and in situations where they might see some "abuse" or get lost, etc. I have an expensive item on order, A LE iHybrid, and while I haven't seen one of them in person, I already know it's going to be a great unit- and one that will rarely see the light of day out in the real world.

I avoided the expensive units- and still do, for the most part- because I am not a fan of the hype and exclusivity of them, nor am I a believer in the idea that a higher price necessitates a better product. For the most part, I use, and focus my blog on, products that are readily available to consumers. Do I love hand-made items of super-high quality and materials? Yes. Could I buy them all? Well, I certainly could if I wanted to. But the last thing I would want to do is help to publicize something that is inaccessible to the average consumer, and instead of having them read about said item and say "wow, I love it!", they would say something like "Wow, that's great, but since I can't have one, I'm turned off to the whole idea of _______".

I should add that one of my first mods back in the day was an Xhaler- and while it worked (sort of), it was one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made: Even though it was handmade, it was absolutely horrid quality all the way around. After that, I never let any amount of hype encourage me to buy an E-cig-related product.

 

[Ratman]

I have been, and still am, a big fan of bottom feeders because they give a great vaping experience very similar to dripping. Not that I don't enjoy my carto tanks and occasionally a viv nova or clearo. I picked up DID clone off the classifieds strictly to match a particular PV I had. It's the gold plated one called the EOD.

I had played around a little with gennys in the past and I do not care for steel mesh personally but gave it a try on the new one with a premade Zen wick. Not bad really, and better than the other gennys I had tried. However I really enjoy cotton wicks in my bottom feeder RBAs so I put a cotton vertical genesis style wick in the EOD and it is simply the best vaping experience I have ever had. Now I have only tried one juice, a menthol based tobacco in it and menthols tend to carry the flavor well, but the it has just the right amount of vapor, the perfect draw and fantastic flavor.

I am not sure how it would compare to a genuine DID with a cotton wick but I just can't imagine it being much if any better than this. So the only reason i see to buy the real deal is for the better quality so it lasts longer. Well 2 reasons actually, to support the inventors who brought us these great devices.

 

[Rule62]

+10 WNCmotard The Dud is ok, but the DID original is in a different league altogether, it is for life, and I have three, and a fourth on the way:

A little off topic; but that is an awesome picture.

 

[Lance_Wallen]

Gennys are about set up, not device. None of them is going to provide a better or worse vape if set up equally well. The fact is, the amount of juice, the coil resistance, voltage, coil density, etc... those things matter. Now, some of the Gen devices will allow for an easier set up or more variety in your set ups, etc, but at the end of the day they're just another way of putting juice to coil.

It's like mexican food in an american mexican restaurant... you've got the exact same ingredients configured in multiple ways. Some people prefer their tortilla crispy and wrapped around their meat/bean/stuff, others like em in little triangles, some people like their tortilla soft. The DID, DUD, Zatties, etc, all provide the same options for the most part and 'can' all perform exactly the same. What you get with a Zatty is quality in manufacturing... I don't think theres a product in the vaping world right now that has the attention to detail and raw quality of build that the Zen devices have. He's an artist. That said, the DID and DUD both do the same thing for a lot less. Quality will also lead to longer life, eventually those duds are gonna wear out, a zen device might end up as an item on your Will one day

 

[Nepherael]

Maybe I just didn't know how to use my DID at the time. I never got it functioning right. The wide open draw made my juice taste like crap and when I covered the draw it was still meh. I ended up with a third of the tank discolored and ....ty tasting.

Maybe I need to give it another shot. It's too bad I lost the fill hole screw. If anyone has an extra I'd love to buy it from you if the price is right

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[Nurzrachit]

I reccomend DUD for those just getting their feet wet in rebuildables. Not good for the long haul though, quality is sub par comparing to the DID. If you like rebuildables by all means go for a respected well proven higher quality device.

 

[studiovap]

Maybe I just didn't know how to use my DID at the time. I never got it functioning right. The wide open draw made my juice taste like crap and when I covered the draw it was still meh. I ended up with a third of the tank discolored and ....ty tasting.

Maybe I need to give it another shot. It's too bad I lost the fill hole screw. If anyone has an extra I'd love to buy it from you if the price is right(quote)
Fill screw is nothing special just an m3 ss machine screw for tha standard and m2 for the mini. My local fastener supplier had hex head m3s for 11c and that's in a small town in Oz.

 

[asha23]

People call it a Dud, because that's what it is. A poorly manufactured Dud. The real thing is head and shoulders better imho.