Why Vaping won't ever convert the masses (of smokers)

[sincerelysasquatch]

MVS is an authorized dealer and does not sell KangerTech knock off. Your product also comes with Authentication code you can enter here
tesa connect'n'check
to check if it is authentic for yourself.
I really hate seeing people ignorantly slam and make false accusations against a well respected business on a public forum, if you took two seconds to check your products you would know better... to be fair

I did check the authenticity but how do you know that isn't BS. What stops codes from being duplicated. All I know is I ordered 2 subvods in white and 1 in silver and they vary by more than color when they are supposed to be the same model. proportions are a little different, etc. There are also big differences in quality between the difference kits I have bought. It reminds me of when I have bought crap knock-offs on accident in the past.

 

[mauricem00]

I think the biggest problem smokers have with vaping is that its not smoking and even with vaping quitting tobacco takes a lot of effort.

 

[7sixtwo]

I think the biggest problem smokers have with vaping is that its not smoking and even with vaping quitting tobacco takes a lot of effort.

Yes, even with a good APV starter kit, you have to want to quit smoking to do it. Vaping just massively ups your chance of success.

 

[medleypat]

I agree with what other people have said it can be very simple I don't subohm, don't build coils just fill my tanks and go. What I strongly disagree with is the statement about the folks on here yes some threads are for the hobbyist but there are a lot of people on here that are very helpful to beginners just have to find the right thread not hard it really burns me up way good people are slammed in this way.

 

[GeorgeS]

I get it. Smoking was so easy. You can purchase them just about anywhere and once the pack was open it (and as long as you were not in a wet and/or windy place) was a matter of 5-15 seconds before you were ingesting nicotine (and tons of other chemicals).

Very easy - plug and play.

I liken "vaping" more towards the pipe smokers:

• more than one pipe, mod and/or tank
• we 'fiddle' with the juice, they fiddle with their tobacco
• we have multiple flavors of juice, them tobacco
• they fiddle with the tobacco when filling and starting, we might fiddle with air flow, watts and/or temperature when starting on a fresh tank
• they clean their pipes from time to time, we wash, rinse and recoil/rewick from time to time

It is surely more effort than cigarette smoking. I figure users fall into one of two (really three) types:

1. if it does not work as expected, the user will tinker until it does
2. if it does not work as expected, replace setup with something else until you get something that works
3. lastly, if it does not work, toss it and go back to cigarettes

Vaping has really come a long way from its beginnings. Sometimes I fault the shop owners for their choices in beginner kits and starting juice. I swear I can get weeks of use out of a Aspire K1 coil with clear unflavored 50/50 where the flavored stuff the shop owner sold me (they DON'T carry unflavored) will kill coils in a matter of a few days.

I watch with amazement and dismay while some users seemingly research to death a < $50 purchase in hopes of getting something that is not going to crap out on them in a few days/weeks. Clearly these users have been "bit" by some shoddy product that ether never worked as advertised or as long as they had hoped.

The industries moving at breakneck speed is both a boon and a burden. A brand new $40 device has features that were unheard of in even $200 devices year or even 6mo's ago. However along with all the new "stars" come the expected hand full of "duds" that educated users can easily avoid but sadly will spark interest in the new comer when they see the equipment in the bargain bin at the local B&M.

While vaping over the last year has been fairly "plug and play" for me I can't say the same for some of my convert attempts. Even with the weakest juice and lowest output devices a few wrong pulls and a chain reaction of caughing fits they were waving the vaping thing off before even giving it a chance.

Ok, when everything is working as it should it can be even easier than smoking (don't have to worry about "lighting up in a wind storm) however it might not be for everyone.

My $0.02.

 

[7sixtwo]

^ Well said.

 

[medleypat]

Well I don't think I was exaggerating there, as I was posing the question to you. If you read my post more carefully you'll see that.

I asked whether you all felt that these incidents were down to what you claim to be 'basic' battery safety? No faulty batteries, then? Or mods? Just incompetent users, who have failed to demonstrate battery safety? Every....single....one?

I remain, for the most part, unconvinced...

[EDIT] For example, does 'basic' battery safety now include, as common knowledge to the masses, not to buy Efest batteries?? Just sayin'.

If you read about battery safety most times eleaf batteries are NOT recommended plus most of the ones I read about were loose batteries carried in pockets and if you read anything about safety it says do not carry loose and most websites say the same thing. And to use your car point when you first start drive someone shows you how to drive vaping is the same do your research.

 

[daviedog]

I did check the authenticity but how do you know that isn't BS. What stops codes from being duplicated. All I know is I ordered 2 subvods in white and 1 in silver and they vary by more than color when they are supposed to be the same model. proportions are a little different, etc. There are also big differences in quality between the difference kits I have bought. It reminds me of when I have bought crap knock-offs on accident in the past.

You checked the authenticity codes, and you still say BS?
You do know there are counterfeit cigarettes don't you..

 

[The Cloud Minder]

Thanks OP, that was a hilarious skit.

 

[NOVA jon]

I get it. Smoking was so easy. You can purchase them just about anywhere and once the pack was open it (and as long as you were not in a wet and/or windy place) was a matter of 5-15 seconds before you were ingesting nicotine (and tons of other chemicals).

Very easy - plug and play.

I liken "vaping" more towards the pipe smokers:

• more than one pipe, mod and/or tank
• we 'fiddle' with the juice, they fiddle with their tobacco
• we have multiple flavors of juice, them tobacco
• they fiddle with the tobacco when filling and starting, we might fiddle with air flow, watts and/or temperature when starting on a fresh tank
• they clean their pipes from time to time, we wash, rinse and recoil/rewick from time to time

It is surely more effort than cigarette smoking. I figure users fall into one of two (really three) types:

1. if it does not work as expected, the user will tinker until it does
2. if it does not work as expected, replace setup with something else until you get something that works
3. lastly, if it does not work, toss it and go back to cigarettes

Vaping has really come a long way from its beginnings. Sometimes I fault the shop owners for their choices in beginner kits and starting juice. I swear I can get weeks of use out of a Aspire K1 coil with clear unflavored 50/50 where the flavored stuff the shop owner sold me (they DON'T carry unflavored) will kill coils in a matter of a few days.

I watch with amazement and dismay while some users seemingly research to death a < $50 purchase in hopes of getting something that is not going to crap out on them in a few days/weeks. Clearly these users have been "bit" by some shoddy product that ether never worked as advertised or as long as they had hoped.

The industries moving at breakneck speed is both a boon and a burden. A brand new $40 device has features that were unheard of in even $200 devices year or even 6mo's ago. However along with all the new "stars" come the expected hand full of "duds" that educated users can easily avoid but sadly will spark interest in the new comer when they see the equipment in the bargain bin at the local B&M.

While vaping over the last year has been fairly "plug and play" for me I can't say the same for some of my convert attempts. Even with the weakest juice and lowest output devices a few wrong pulls and a chain reaction of caughing fits they were waving the vaping thing off before even giving it a chance.

Ok, when everything is working as it should it can be even easier than smoking (don't have to worry about "lighting up in a wind storm) however it might not be for everyone.

My $0.02.

This, in a nutshell. I'm too frustrated by those that don't want to "do the heavy lifting" that is required to make the change.

 

[medleypat]

Didn't read many of the replies. But I agree with the sentiments in OP. Want to add that I was never taught battery safety in school.

Also, it is hard for some people to learn all the new information that you need to apply to safely use many devices. Personally, I have been on some heavy-duty psychiatric medicine for the last 16 years and have also had electroshock therapy, so I think it's safe to say my brain doesn't retain like it used to. I am just looking for a device that will satisfy me and is simple to operate, and all the bells-and-whistles and features people suggest just make everything more complicated. I have been using a subvod and toptank for a few months now and have had quality issues with it, probably because it is likely a knock-off, and am now in the market for something new because my local b&m doesn't carry the subvod. Otherwise, I could have happily vaped a subvod with toptank in 0.5 ohm coils the rest of my life, or until I decided to stop vaping. Just alternate the subvods every few hours and plug it into a usb wall charger. And I'm not even sure if THAT is safe because I couldn't find any info about what kind of wall wart to use with it. If it gets too much more complicated than that I will be tempted to say "screw it, I want a cigarette." But I won't. I'll just try to learn what I have to learn and hope my face doesn't get blown up. But most days I have at least one moment where I am a little scared to hit my ecig because I am scared my face will get blown off. I am sure not all, or for that matter 99%, of explosions are from user error, or if they are perhaps I am making a "user error" that I don't know about. Heck, I suspect my subvod and toptank are cheap knockoffs even though I ordered from a website that I researched first and read was reputable. Cheap knock-offs that might blow my face off. I wish I could just vape a little ego all day. If they made them sub-ohm, I would. I mean, that's essentially what I have been replicating with my subvod. Unfortunately, though, I do seem to require a little more power than an ego to stay off cigarettes.

Also, I vape precisely because I don't wan't to work at quitting. I don't have the willpower to quit nicotine.

My suggestion would be a joytech aio fairly cheap and easy to use.just use the cord that comes with it .

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

omeone tell me I'm wrong. PLEASE!

Provape.. It's not cheap for American made though..

I think your biggest problem is this, Subtank mini has been very prone to leaks...

I'll say one thing's for sure, adopting vaping as a hobby, definitely better than getting sick because of not doing it..

My last coil lasted me over a month, changed the cotton once a week, charge my batteries once a day, wonder how long I've spent even just looking for a lighter in the past...

 

[Dyanne]

I am back for a second attempt of quitting ( I quit for 10 months last year struggling with equipment ) I agree that reading forums and other peoples opinion of the perfect set up did cost me quite a bit of $$$ and frustration, however I just discovered the perfect set up for me *FINALLY* and now my fill and vape is hitting all the buttons I needed to get me through this even with 0mg juice I get a warm vape, throat hit and heaps of flavor and sufficient cloud for me! I found the Endura T18 and nicoticket for my juice wish me luck that I can stay off the smokes this time now that I am in my happy place with my set up last. I agree somewhat with OP that can be easy to give up with all the stuff on offer out there and the cost of going through set up after set up to find that sweet spot however I guess I prove if you are determined to quit smoking and see that even tho the set ups were not perfect the concept of vaping and being able to quit will plant the seed to keep trying until you finally get there to find that set up perfect for you. Everyone is different and while some love to fiddle I definitely do NOT enjoy that but there is something out there for everyone these days trick is finding it!

 

[HauntedMyst]

Anyway, here's the list.
E-Cigarette Explosions: Comprehensive List - eCig One

So....I guess...if there is a silver lining to any of this, it's that a lot of the explosions seem to happen in the UK. Given my desire to one day move to the UK and from what I hear, the outrageous housing prices, the thing to do is to is to some how come up with a real estate program like Zillow that monitors for and gives you notices of the names and addresses where the owner has been involved in an ecig explosion. Might be able to get a sweet deal if the owner, God rest his soul, isn't going to need the house anymore. (Yes, even I am appalled and amused by my own outrageous selfishness sometimes)

 

[Just Want To Quit]

You haven't met uninitiated until you have met my uncle. I've tried and tried and tried to get him to start vaping. I bought him 2 kits, an I just2 and a subox mini. He gave them back to me the next month and told me it's too much trouble for him. Now granted not everyone is so ignorant but I for one am done trying to save his life especially when I have so much resentment for the man anyhow but won't get into that here. Some people don't want to save their own lives and there's nothing you can do.

Most of the things you mentioned I agree with. I didn't start vaping for it to become a hobby. I can get the hobby side out of things by reading threads here and visiting my local star wars themed B&M called Darth Vapor. I love sitting there chatting with the guys about their mechs and drippers.. even if I know I may never get into them.

With all due respect though, You don't need to know anything about ohms law or battery safety using a subox mini kit or any regulated mod if you're just using factory coils. I've never had a subtank or toptank leak either, but then again I don't take them out of the house.

It upsets me when people are ingorant, I wasted almost $150 trying to save him with an Ijust2 and Subox kit and he turned his nose up at it just like he did his smart phone. Apparently when you sound like the Cancer Man from the X files, It's time to take up vaping, but my uncle is just a lost cause and a prime example of a vapor giving up.

 

[crxess]

Of course I read the instructions. It said nothing about what kind of wall wart to use with it. It came with a USB cable, nothing else, and no info about what kind of charger to use. I also could not find the info anywhere online, and other people have had the same problem, with no answers. One reason I am looking for a different device. There are vape devices being manufactured without any information about what kind of charger to use with them and how are you supposed to know how to charge them safely? I guess that attests to the OP's point, too.

That is 1/2 your problem. Not understanding Wall adapter.
They are NOT Chargers. They regulate Maximum amount of current at Specified Voltage that may be Supplied to a Charging Circuit or to operate a Device.

What you actually should be looking for is the Charge rate of the Device.
Now a little hint - All modern(latest) Regulated mods with Built in or High Drain 18650 Batteries can handle a 1 amp input from a 5 volt Wall Adapter. The charge board will do the rest.

ETA: P.S. you need a more trustworthy Vendor to deal with

 

[skoony]

I did check the authenticity but how do you know that isn't BS. What stops codes from being duplicated. All I know is I ordered 2 subvods in white and 1 in silver and they vary by more than color when they are supposed to be the same model. proportions are a little different, etc. There are also big differences in quality between the difference kits I have bought. It reminds me of when I have bought crap knock-offs on accident in the past.

Have you contacted MVS and asked them about the discrepancies? I am sure they would
be interested to know that they may have been slipped some possibly counterfeit product.
There have been problems with vendors in the supply chain seeding legit orders with clones
in order to fill orders or increase profits. It could also be your units are from different production runs.
Regards
Mike

 

[Jorge22]

What a long post!

The main reasons why many smokers will never take up vaping are two and quite different:

a) They're afraid of vaping, which is only normal after all the scaremongering campaigns;

b) Vaping is definitely quite complicated when compared to smoking.

Having said that, I never needed anything complicated to quit smoking and take up vaping. Over fiver years ago, I started with a cigalike, moved to an eGo type battery, then to mods. I still use Boges as well as Aspire BVCs although I've tried drippers that made me think (wow, such flavour! I wasn't really that impressed with huge clouds). Of course, having been a vendor once and being around several forums for years I'm aware of most of what there is and how vaping works. But I'm quite content the way things are (although I'm well aware of a good drippers potential over anything else in flavour terms). Lately, I've been DIYing, which is a great way to have most of your favourite juices for cheap. But that is, of course, too much of a faff for most smokers. I guess I'm lucky because, although I'm not easily contented, I'm contented easily enough. And I'm more than used to things like filling my cartos a lot of times. It still beats building/rebuilding though - for me. For most smokers, even the little I do, including buying online, finding the liquids I really enjoy etc. is way too much. Cigarettes are totally easy.

 

[ENAUD]

Vaping can be complicated, but lets be honest. Today there are plug and play tanks and even whole systems that just work out of the box. Manufacturers are going to continue to make improvements and vaping will become even easier than it is today for newcomers.

The biggest reason a lot of smokers will not try it is public perception and a poor public image of vapers. Take a moment and do a Google search for vape meme's, you will see many negative connotations of vapers from the "yeah, we get, you vape" type comments, to meme's that imply vapers are effeminate and on the extreme, actually implying that vapers are homosexual. There is a very real cultural backlash towards vaping.

Then you have the public health officials on one hand attacking or at the least cautioning about vaping, and there is no wonder that the general public is fearful or apathetic about this new thing. Until there is a widespread awakening by our health providers and public health organizations, and a change in the tone of public awareness media spots, I don't see much hope for mass acceptance by the still smokers. Our public image is in dire need of improvement.

 

[Zutankhamun]

The news is evil. I have also been told by people who don't smoke/vape to 'watch out for those ecigs which could blow up in your face', 'I would rather keep smoking than have water filling up my lungs'??.

I jam on the total metrosexual line though. I'm vegan/ I vape/ i'm a pretty-boy/ I blow dry my hair/ I produce house music and I still don't think I have inferred from anyone that I'm homosexual. Not that I'm worried. Usually too busy spending my time with the fairer sex, blowing clouds and eating houmous and falafels. Much love everyone. Lol