Why would hospitols ban ecigs?!?!?

[wacdenney]

I was told it was because there have been no studies done as to their potential risks or effectiveness.

SO?!? That's no reason to ban them is it?? There have been no studies on the potential risks or effectiveness of wearing blue baseball caps either, but you don't ban blue baseball caps. I really really really wish we woiuld all drop any and all cigarette references! Loose the name e-cig, get rid of the look-a-likes, and distance ourselves from being grouped with cigarettes at all. I don't think the association benefits us in any way. We should be a nebulizer alternative instead!

 

[KillTheNoise]

Will never happen, sorry. We have a hard, long road ahead of ourselves fighting the tobacco industry, it will NOT be easy I promise.

 

[rbrtito]

I can understand what you are saying, but at the same time I can see how it could bother other people, even though it really not smoke it could bother other people around one using it. I really won't vape inside because I don't know if other people are comfortable with it

 

[RosaJ]

Not all hospitals ban vaping on their premises. As a matter of fact, I've read a few threads where they are even handed to patients who smoke for use inside the hospital.

 

[ninjuh]

Obviously hospitals are going to ban e-cigs.. Hospitals are a clean, safe, sterile environment. Don't want some parents walking their 4 year old child with astma through the halls while you're sitting on a bench puffing on a device blowing clouds all over the place.. C'mon now.

Vaping is a safER ALTERNATIVE to cigarettes, the safest thing is always to be inhaling nothing but good ol' clean air. Of course hospitals will encourage the most healthy.


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[Rocketpunk]

Dude, I have plenty enough vaper friends who'd gladly sneak me in an 808 if I were ever in an extended stay in a hospital. If I share a room, I'd pull the curtain. If you have to share a room and they don't give you a curtain, raise holy hell.

Just stealth vape that little 808 bad boy. Charge it overnight. Set a cell alarm. Hold them hits in, and don't exhale the vape.

Ah, we can all be stealth vape 808 ninjas.

 

[frosting]

It's all politics. Some hospitals use propylene glycol in their air purification systems for vaping sake.

You could always try to write them a well thought out, yet short to the point letter. Over and over. Might not do much, might help them see benefits of how vaping can help keep nicotine addicted patients under less stress while trying to recover at the hospital. I mean how many smokers rush the hell out sooner than they should from the hospital just so they can get their fix because the patch isn't doing jack for them? Some hospitals see this benefit, and actually applaud e-ciggs.

 

[Tail11]

The last time I was in the hospital, I asked for nicotine patches. They were more than happy to give them to me. This was prior to me vaping, so I'm not sure if they allow it. I did have a privacy curtain that I could have stealth vaped behind though.

 

[BuGlen]

The last time I was in the hospital, I asked for nicotine patches. They were more than happy to give them to me. This was prior to me vaping, so I'm not sure if they allow it. I did have a privacy curtain that I could have stealth vaped behind though.

Just out of curiosity, did they charge the typical inflated prices for those patches you requested?

 

[DC2]

Will never happen, sorry. We have a hard, long road ahead of ourselves fighting the tobacco industry, it will NOT be easy I promise.

Actually, our biggest enemy by far is Big Pharma, not Big Tobacco.
In fact, Big Tobacco appears to be starting to fight beside us.

Here is a post from the CASAA president that explains it better than I can...

I realize that it seems logical to blame tobacco companies for the organized opposition to e-cigarettes. After all, you've stopped buying their products and begun buying the electronic type.

But we have met the enemy, and they are not the tobacco companies.

They include:

World Health Organization
European Union
U.S. Food and Drug Administration
U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention
American Cancer Society
American Lung Association
American Heart Association
Campaign for Tobacco-free Kids
Americans for non-Smokers' Rights
Action on Smoking and Health (U.S.)
American Medical Association
American Legacy Foundation

The money behind these groups includes the pharmaceutical companies that make smoking-cessation medications (Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson and Johnson). It is also highly likely that pharma companies that make the drugs to treat smoking-related diseases (cancer, cardiovascular, and lung) do NOT want to have a product succeed that will once and for all end people's addiction to smoking. That will ruin their income stream.

It is also why they smear smokeless tobacco products such as snus (for which there is a wealth of published scientific studies showing that the health risks are minimal) and the newer dissolvables (which are comparable to FDA approved nicotine lozenges).

The tobacco companies have not said a single word against e-cigarettes. In fact, Lorillard bought out Blu Ecigs, and other tobacco companies are discussing bringing out their own versions of e-cigarettes. The tobacco companies believe in the old adage, "If you can't beat them, join them."

When I say, "We have met the enemy," I mean that literally. Since 2009, we have been fighting the propaganda tactics and outright lies promoted by the above-mentioned lists of enemies. We have testified at council meetings, state level legislative meetings, at the FDA, etc. We have commented on news stories and policy statements. The opposition speakers have all been affiliated in some way with the organizations listed above.

 

[DC2]

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Obviously hospitals are going to ban e-cigs.. Hospitals are a clean, safe, sterile environment. Don't want some parents walking their 4 year old child with astma through the halls while you're sitting on a bench puffing on a device blowing clouds all over the place.. C'mon now.

Hospitals have been known to pump PG through their ventilation systems to purify the air.
Our vapor makes the hospital environment cleaner, safer, and more sterile.

 

[sherid]

I was told it was because there have been no studies done as to their potential risks or effectiveness.

SO?!? That's no reason to ban them is it?? There have been no studies on the potential risks or effectiveness of wearing blue baseball caps either, but you don't ban blue baseball caps. I really really really wish we woiuld all drop any and all cigarette references! Loose the name e-cig, get rid of the look-a-likes, and distance ourselves from being grouped with cigarettes at all. I don't think the association benefits us in any way. We should be a nebulizer alternative instead!

As long as people believe that there is no connection between smoking and vaping and close their eyes to the agenda of the prohibitionists at anti-smoker organizations, your opportunities to vape in public will continue to diminish. Banning e cigs has nothing to do with health; it has everything to do with the greedy NAZIS who profit from grant funding from RWJF and the drug companies. Anti-smokers do not want you to vape simply because it LOOKS like smoking and is not earning the folks at BP any money. If Pfizer owned e cigs, they would be both unusable and touted as the next best money maker ever invented. They do not currently own e cigs, so the medical community that is in the clutches of grant money from the drug companies must ban them. If it looks like smoking, as all vaping does, then it does not further the demonization of smokers. Distancing yourself from smokers and aligning yourself with anti-smokers will get you nowhere. Their goal is the prohibition of all nicotine products that are not made by BP. It has NOTHING to do with health and everything to do with money: KNOW your enemy. Your enemy is not Big Tobacco.
http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/.../nicorette.jpg

 

[igloo]

The American lung association is mainly funded my big tobacco so I still think PM, RJ Reynolds are going to fight tooth and nail to not loose there already shrinking customer base. Just my 2

 

[sherid]

PG is also used in some asthma inhalers, so there goes that idea. It would be difficult for BP to justify a ban against PG when they use it all the time in inhaled medicines.

 

[cocacola31173]

The hospital in my town has banned smoking all together...even outside! They used to have a big courtyard and a big deck that both patients and visitors could go to smoke but they don't even allow that. Not even in the parking lot. To me that is just getting silly not allowing it outdoors!

 

[Huffelpuff]

The positive in all of this is that, unlike stinky cigarettes, we can very carefully stealth vape wherever we want. If I am in a "no vaping' zone and don't want to go outside, I can use the powder room or other quiet area and vape quite happily.

I would push for vaping in all public areas except for that I don't think that vaping is necessarily something that young kids should "aspire" to do. As with alcohol, it is an adult behavior and not something to promote to kids. JMHO though - there are probably many people who do not agree with me.

 

[DC2]

The American lung association is mainly funded my big tobacco so I still think PM, RJ Reynolds are going to fight tooth and nail to not loose there already shrinking customer base. Just my 2

RJ Reynolds is not fighting us, they are joining us...
Reynolds Test Markets Vuse E-Cigarette

 

[tmcase]

I was told it was because there have been no studies done as to their potential risks or effectiveness.

SO?!? That's no reason to ban them is it?? There have been no studies on the potential risks or effectiveness of wearing blue baseball caps either, but you don't ban blue baseball caps. I really really really wish we woiuld all drop any and all cigarette references! Loose the name e-cig, get rid of the look-a-likes, and distance ourselves from being grouped with cigarettes at all. I don't think the association benefits us in any way. We should be a nebulizer alternative instead!

You've have to eliminate the vapor too because it looks like smoke. If it looks like smoke it HAS to be smoke so some people, the ignorant and uneducated about ecigs.

 

[kristin]

People need to understand who/what the enemy of vaping is. These are not reasonable entities that truly care about smokers' health. After fighting for vaping for over 3 years, I can confidently tell you that we have been fighting Big Pharma, NOT Big Tobacco and groups such as the ALA, ACS, CFTFK, etc. are backed by Big PHARMA. Their sole goal is to denormalize smoking to peddle their smoking cessation drugs and eliminate ALL use of non-Big Pharma nicotine products. No matter how safe it is proven, vaping will NOT be accepted by them because it LOOKS LIKE SMOKING and delivers nicotine in a non-medicinal way. Even 0 mg e-cigarettes are unacceptable because it "normalizes smoking." The only way you will get the ANTZ to accept vaping is if it has no visible vapor, is unscented, looks like a tampon and is approved by the FDA as a SHORT TERM treatment for nicotine addiction. I think BP calls it a Nicotrol Inhaler.

We aren't facing objections based on a lack of education or bad PR from the moniker "e-cigarette." These are the objections:

1) It looks like smoking, even without nicotine in it, so smokers will light up when they see e-cigs being used.
2) It looks like smoking, even without nicotine in it, so it "normalizes" and/or "glamorizes" smoking and we want to denormalize smoking.
3) It is a cool gadget, so kids will try it, become addicted and then "graduate" to smoking real cigarettes.
4) It doesn't end nicotine addiction for most users, so it's just exchanging one addiction for another.
5) Nicotine still has health risks, so those that contain nicotine are still not 100% safe.
6) They are just another insidious way to addict people to nicotine.

So you can see that arguments that we should call it something else or that the ANTZ just need more proof that e-cigarettes are low risk compared to smoking are an exercise in futility. Their objections have nothing to do with reality. And that's just the moral objections they have - don't forget about all of the money lost in grants, funding, taxes and profits if people suddenly have something that doesn't require them to quit and won't cause them to need Big Pharma's "smoking related disease" treatments!

 

[sherid]

If smokers honor that, they deserve to be banned. It's time for some civil obedience. Safety in numbers is a good thing.