with so much attention being given to super sub ohm builds...

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Asbestos4004

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I like big clouds and sub ohm stuff as much as the next guy, but it took a little time to learn what I need to know to do it safely. I see that step in the process being bypassed more and more these days. Its a little scary. Of course, I'm old....48. If you knew me in my 20's and 30's, you'd understand how miraculous it is that I made it to 48.
However....I wanted to point out an alternative to the folks that want "massive cloudz" but don't care enough to take the time to learn ohms law, basic electrical theory and battery safety.
These days, a 30w regulated device is affordable and obtainable. Not so long ago, they were impossible to get and only the "elite" had them. Not anymore. Everyone has them in stock and there's more coming out everyday.
You can set up an rda with a .28ga dual coil measuring 1ohm. Thats around 13 wraps on a 5/64 drill bit, each coil. Lots of surface area. With a 30w mod, these coils will heat up quick! You can get the same thick, dense, flavorful vapor from these standard builds as you can from a .2 ohm build on a mechanical. Sure, you can't brag about using .18ga wire and having the lowest ohm coil in the county....but you can experience the same kind of performance.
I'm not one who feels sub ohming is inherently dangerous...its not. But if you have no idea what your doing or what kind of equipment to use, its very dangerous.
There's safer options if you're new to all of this.
 

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You can get the same thick, dense, flavorful vapor from these standard builds as you can from a .2 ohm build on a mechanical.

this is simply untrue.

my gf owns the chana30 watt, runs the exact coil you just described. i run my tobh at .22 with 25gauge on a naval brass nemesis. there is no comparison, even a non vaper will tell you so.
 

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this is simply untrue.

my gf owns the chana30 watt, runs the exact coil you just described. i run my tobh at .22 with 25gauge on a naval brass nemesis. there is no comparison, even a non vaper will tell you so.
Keep practicing Wonkey...maybe someday you'll get it.
 

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I would agree with this mostly! ;) Nowadays (meaning the last month or so) I've been using a Cana with a tugboat and .9 dual coil as my all day setup. BUT...I run it pretty close to maxed out on wattage, which I understand isn't really good for the chip. When we get a few more affordable 50-100w DUAL 18650 regulated devices, I think my mechs will see a lot less use. I've had my eye on a hex ohm for awhile, and i'm interested in the IPV3 and the Sigelei 100w that should both be out this fall. Honestly, 50w would be more than enough, I just really want dual 18650!
 

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No need to avoid sub-ohm if you are using a regulated device (that can handle it) in the first place.

The dangerous aspects of sub-ohm vaping are due to a lack of any safety on the battery in a mech. If you are vaping at 30w on a regulated device, or 30w on a mech, the amp draw on the battery will be the same. A .5 ohm build set to 30W on an APV won't draw anymore current than a 1 ohm build set to 30w, the advantage with APVs is just the battery protection.
 

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I don't avoid sub ohm. I enjoy it very much. I just wanted to suggest an alternative that doesn't seem to get enough attention these days. Newer folks are being brainwashed into thinking they need ultra low ohm setups to get big clouds. Its simply not true.

Church. ^^^^

I'm .6Ω single coil and .3Ω-.4Ω dual coil all day, every day. I only use Reos, but without a doubt if I were on a 50W regulated device I'd be able to build much higher resistance coils, with more coverage, and rock something that could be arguably better. That's the plain truth. I just like bottom feeding too much, and the simple, dependable, bullet proof aspect of the Reo mechanical.

I got in an argument with a guy a couple days ago on why his vaping a .08Ω build on his mech clone using Samsung 1865025R's was pretty idiotic. His argument: "I know what I'm doing, these batteries are pulse rated at 100A < 1 second. I'm doing half that. Why should I stop? We push the envelope, man."

Those batteries are continuous discharge rated at 20A. There is one spec sheet to be found claiming they can pulse at 100A. But < 1 second? Are you kidding me??? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

No sir. You are reading BS on the interwebs. It's about as smart and sound as those soccer moms who choose not to vaccinate their babies based off of paranoia they took as fact from an article in a home and garden magazine; a truly idiotic and proven untrue trend endangering OUR population again with deadly and infectious diseases we eradicated 50+ years ago.

Recently some new founded < .1Ω vapers are getting attention on Youtube.

Take a good hard look at these genius's mugshots... Can you see the bumble bees buzzing in the empty space between their ears?

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Behold these two. .06Ω and .04Ω coils these guys rock. The guy who's holding the towel because his mod is too hot, yeah his battery explodes at the end of that video.

Still think super sub-ohming is smart?
 
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No need to avoid sub-ohm if you are using a regulated device (that can handle it) in the first place.

The dangerous aspects of sub-ohm vaping are due to a lack of any safety on the battery in a mech. If you are vaping at 30w on a regulated device, or 30w on a mech, the amp draw on the battery will be the same. A .5 ohm build set to 30W on an APV won't draw anymore current than a 1 ohm build set to 30w, the advantage with APVs is just the battery protection.

I = sqrt(P/R)

1 ohm @ 30w = 5.5A draw

.5 ohm @ 30w = 7.75A draw

While I agree that there's not much reason to subohm on a regulated mod, your last statement is incorrect.

Subohming is to draw more power when you can't alter the voltage. It's safer & easier on the batteries to raise the voltage instead of dropping the resistance to increase power.
 

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The guy who's holding the towel because his mod is too hot, yeah his battery explodes at the end of that video.

Hold on a second here...you mean I'm not supposed to have to wear these special vaping oven mitts?! Blasphemy!!

I guess the only real way to settle this is a side by side comparison video.
 

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There should be a news article...

BREAKING NEWS
Some people are just stupid, nothing on earth is unsafe, unless made unsafe by some dim wit ......

My other hobby is RC, same battery safety is practiced in that hobby with Li-po batteries.
But there are still stupids that blow up there RC cars running a huge motor on a battery that cant take the amp draw of said motor.

There are stupids in every hobby, unfortunately you hear about them in the vaping world because it is in the spotlight
 
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